Vermont & Same-Sex Marriage

  • DaToNY22

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    Mar 19, 2009 9:23 PM GMT
    Here is the deal. Everyone knows that Vermont is considered the liberal, cow infested, hippie center of the States but is has also been a critical activist in same-sex equality. Back in 2000, Vermont created a new form of legal union called Civil Unions. It was definitely a turning point but it was only a slice of the cake... the gay community was only getting a fraction of rights that legal marriage received.

    Since then, states have started to create their own form of civil unions/domestic partnerships. More recently, some states fought for same-sex marriage and some succeeded.

    Vermont is at that turning point. Hopefully, the bill will pass and we'll be that much closer to fighting DOMA. However, how would people look at Vermont IF the bill didn't pass? Vermont would be the state that STARTED civil unions but FAILED to progress. What is your opinion?


    Here is a link to what is currently going on:

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/in-vermont-same-sex-marriage-battle-flares-up/?hp

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    Mar 20, 2009 1:55 AM GMT
    What about Maine!!!

    Why does Vermont always get the glory and spotlight. This fall Main-ahs (aka residents of Maine lol) are voting on gay marriage. I'm leaving the state as soon as possible but would still like to see gay marriage legalized here.

    The other side is well organized and headed by Michael Heath--co-president of the website "Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality."

    He recently re-organized his Christian group and is not recieving funds from Focus on the Family and the Family Research Counsel.

    One good thing--Mainers are sick of Heath... and many will vote opposite of him just becuase they do not like his philosophy...some vote without even knowing the issue, but feel that since it is the opposite position of Heath, than the position must be ethical and moral.icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 20, 2009 2:04 AM GMT
    Tony21 saidVermont is at that turning point. Hopefully, the bill will pass and we'll be that much closer to fighting DOMA. However, how would people look at Vermont IF the bill didn't pass? Vermont would be the state that STARTED civil unions but FAILED to progress. What is your opinion?


    I'd look at Vermont the same way I look at California: "The majority of the people voted to ban gay marriage."

    But what is the majority? In Cali it was 52%. in Florida it was 61%. I hate it when Right-wingers say, "The people of California supported Prop 8."

    No. The majority did and the majority is different in every case. and there are different reasons for voting different ways.

    If Vermont bans gay marriage eventually, I will not think all Vermonters (?) are bigots or intolerant. I would say the other side ran a better campaign, reached more people, raised more money, lied about some certain things, etc.

    DOMA... eh I'm not sure about that. We still have the South, the Bible belt and the Mid-West to worry about. Though not all Republicans are anti-gay rights.... both of my state senators would probably favor the repeal of DOMA--both are women and both are Republicans.
  • DCEric

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    Mar 20, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 said But what is the majority? In Cali it was 52%. in Florida it was 61%. I hate it when Right-wingers say, "The people of California supported Prop 8."

    No. The majority did and the majority is different in every case. and there are different reasons for voting different ways.

    True, but this is a winner takes all kind of game. So while not all are in favor, all are subjected to the results.
    cjcscuba1984 saidIf Vermont bans gay marriage eventually, I will not think all Vermonters (?) are bigots or intolerant.

    ... and I wish that "our" side would realise that about areas of the country that do not tend to be favorable for the advancement of gay rights. Wyoming has proven that several times over.
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    Mar 20, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
    DCEric said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    ... and I wish that "our" side would realise that about areas of the country that do not tend to be favorable for the advancement of gay rights. Wyoming has proven that several times over.


    Ahhh yes, well... people fear the unknown or under reported.

    Would I ever think about moving to Alabama? No... it is hard-wired in my brain the the South is controlled, for the most part, by fundamentalist Christians--who are percieved as the "norm." Fundies are not the norm where I am from and haven't infultrated the state government.

    So I have a slight fear of living in the South--yet i have no statisical data/evidence to significantly back that fear up. So, like you say... when Arkansas banned gay adoption (which I believe is more offensive than prop icon_cool.gif I have to tell myself that there are some people in Arkansas which voted for gay adoption.