Can't Gain Weight!

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    Oct 20, 2007 8:19 PM GMT
    Starting off, I'm a type 1 diabetic (the kind that being fat doesn't cause), and kinda skinny icon_biggrin.gif

    I'm having a hell of a time trying to keep weight on: I work out 90 minutes six days a week, but I've also noticed despite not being able to gain much weight, I'll actually LOSE weight if I decrease the time/days I spend at the gym!

    I'm at 158lbs as of this morning, I managed to hit 162lbs two weeks ago, then I upped my workout and my weight plummeted to 140lbs! Honestly, I'm about sick of eating every two hours to keep up, but it doesn't look like I have much choice otherwise. I'm on a creatine supplement and that's helped a little...

    Any other tips on retaining weight?
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    Oct 21, 2007 1:58 AM GMT
    Give me a B!
    Give me a U!
    Give me a F!
    Give me a F!
    Give me an E!
    Give me a T!

    What do we need See food diet at the BUFFET. See food and eat it!

    No dry queen for you. We make you eat! You eat 'em lots of sushi!

    Eat until it hurts then, eat extra.

    Get 'em Serious Mass! Yumm! 1250 calories per pop.

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    Oct 21, 2007 3:04 AM GMT
    LOL I just read the "skinny college guy" thread and saw what you put here... too funny! Ok, I'll totally pig out icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 21, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    I think you work out too much. 45-60 minutes is more than enough time for a workout. And six days a week is def too much. Your body needs time to recover from a workout. If you really want to gain some weight, shift focus to your bigger muscle groups like chest, back and legs...and be sure to give them a day of rest after working them. If you pair a big muscle group with a smaller muscle group like shoulders or arms, your entire body will be worked and you will only have to go to the gym maybe three or four times during the week. With a proper diet (I would say 3000 cals) you will be able to bulk up quite well.
    One more thing...understand the limitations of your body, and try to be happy with your look. The musclebound go-go boy look is often idealized in the gay community, but is unattainable for some, and is actually a turnoff for a lot of guys.
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    Oct 21, 2007 9:06 PM GMT
    Just to give you a point of reference, and speaking from years of experience, I often will hold my calories intake at 4500 at contest time and still drop off weight.

    You'll need to do what works for you.

    There are lots of quacks that hand out bogus advice.
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    Oct 21, 2007 9:52 PM GMT
    I have the same issue my metabolism is crazy and everytime I turn around I lose more and more weight. I just weighed myself and found out that I dropped another 10 pounds in less than 2 weeks.

    I don't really care so much about appearance, considering the fact that I like being smaller, but its health reasons that are why I'm trying to put on some weight.

    A friend of mine suggested that I eat boiled egg whites throughout the day. Just started, I'll let you know if its helpful or not.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 21, 2007 10:01 PM GMT
    To the guys giving advice,

    You do realise this guy is a diabetic?

    I am not an expert on it, so I am not trying to give advice here, or say your advice is wrong. Just a word of caution, that all. I am sure dood knows how to take care of his blood sugar, but just be careful.

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    Oct 21, 2007 10:52 PM GMT
    Golly dood (dude), I bet you have a blood glocuse meter. You can use insulin as a huge advantage in your case, to get huge beyond belief. That's how the biggest of the big get big, and...yes, pumpkin, it was the first thing I noted. I operate on the assumption, perhaps incorrectly, that dood is not a moron.

    I was having fun (giggle, laugh, fart, tee hee) about the buffet. I'm sure dood is all over his blood sugar.

    Get yourself a large Big Gulp straw and start sucking. No more girlie man for Dood. (Pass gas, giggle, giggle, fart fart, squirm, squirm.)
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    Oct 21, 2007 11:14 PM GMT
    I would say consult a Doctor. Your battle to gain weight is much different than ours. My mom was diabetic and I remember the challenges she went through just controlling it sometimes. Eating more can send your blood sugar through the roof. I wouldn't give you any other advice than to consult a doctor first and then go from there. And diffently watch your blood sugar when you make any changes.
    Good luck
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    Oct 21, 2007 11:40 PM GMT
    Haha, the main reason I'm bodybuilding is to maintain my blood sugars... (Stable at 80-130mg/dl for the past nine days straight!!)

    chuckystudYou can use insulin as a huge advantage...
    How would I use insulin to bulk up, anyway?
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    Oct 22, 2007 10:07 PM GMT

    I would agree with maxx10. You should consult with your doctor. I also hope chucky is joking when he talks about using insulin to get huge.

    I have a sister with diabetes, so I know a little bit about it.

    I am sure you are not moron (to use chuckys words), but what ever about getting big, be healthy.

    And Chucky I don't like being called pumpkin icon_mad.gif

  • Hunkymonkey

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    Oct 22, 2007 10:36 PM GMT
    1) It seems you are probably overtraining. Cut your workouts down to 4x per week max. 3x might be better. Also, try to stop at 60 min. per workout. For now, you could try a high intensity, short, full body workout. Look into hypertrophic training. It seems good for your problem. Also, if you are doing cardio, you might look at reducing it to 2 times per week, for 20-30 minutes. Remember this, low intensity cardio, like fast walking, actually burns fat.

    2) EAT. You need to go for calories, from real meals and in between shakes. The idea is to take in more than you burn. At your weight, 3000 - 3500 calories a day will make the difference. So count calories. Carbs, especially low glycemic carbs (due to your medical condition), are your friends. Good fats are important, like olive oil, flax seed oil (a soure of Alpha-Lipoic Acid, which will stabilize your blood sugar levels and provide other benefits). Also, of course, protein (for building the muscle tissue), glutamine (for recovery and tissue building) and BCAA's (again, for tissue building). About the only other really good supplements I can think of for you are tribulus terrestris to boost your natural testosterone and zinc-magnesium aspartate (ZMA to help with recovery).

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    Oct 22, 2007 11:57 PM GMT
    Did some research... and yeah, I should be eating nearly 6,000 calories a day, lol.

    Anyway, on the insulin thing, I read up on some stuff online and some of those guys who were using it to bulk up were doing something pretty damn retarded: you basically overload your system with insulin, and if it doesn't drop your blood sugar to a dangerously low level and kill you, then it'll at least give you some serious type 2 diabetes!

    So yeah, for the past few days I've been doing that 'see-food' diet and dropped my cardio... Already packed on five pounds and now nothing fits around my chest or shoulders!


    Basically, insulin use should be looked at the same way as anabolic steroids... As you use insulin, like with steroids, you body will decrease natural production of the hormone, and may not recover to its original levels after you stop using the drug.

    Even I have to be careful with insulin: if I eat too much in relation to exercise or eat too many high GI foods, I'll fry my sensitivity to the insulin and give myself type 2 diabetes along with type 1 (a very dangerous combination!)

    In short: Steroids shrink your dink, insulin makes you fat... And no gay man will ever want that, lol.

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    Oct 23, 2007 12:00 AM GMT
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    Oct 23, 2007 12:06 AM GMT
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    Oct 23, 2007 1:14 AM GMT
    The Positive Effects of Testosterone on the Heart
    by Doug Kalman MS, RD

    Steroids will cause your kidneys to implode, your heart to blow a ventricle, and your liver to squirt out of your arse, fly across the room, and knock the cat off the futon. We read it on the Internet and saw an after school special about it, so it must be true, right?

    Actually, the more you learn about steroids, the more you come to realize that, like all drugs, there's a difference between their intelligent use and outright abuse. In this article, Doug Kalman takes a look at the effects of Testosterone on the heart. What he found may surprise you.

    Over the years we've all heard the repeated mantra that anabolic steroids are bad for the heart. Some physicians will tell you that gear raises your risk of heart disease by lowering your good cholesterol (HDL) and raising your bad cholesterol (LDL). In fact, as some docs will tell you, steroids are known to even induce cardiac hypertrophy (enlargement of the heart). And since you can't flex your heart in an effort to woo women, who'd want that?

    But, as in every story, there's more than one side. In fact, let it be said, the dangers of steroids are overstated and, hold onto your seats, may even be good for the heart. Let's examine some of the scientific studies on the positive effects of Testosterone on the heart.

    What are the cardiovascular effects of steroids?

    Cardiologists at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Australia recruited both juicing and non-juicing bodybuilders for a study. Each bodybuilder had various aspects of the heart measured (carotid intima-media thickness, arterial reactivity, left ventricular dimensions, etc.). These measurements indicate whether bodybuilding, steroid usage or both affect the function, size, shape and activity of the heart.

    The doctors found some obvious and not so obvious results. Predictably, those bodybuilders who used steroids were physically stronger than those who didn't. What was surprising was that the use of steroids was not found to cause any significant changes or abnormalities of arterial structure or function.

    In essence, when the bodybuilders (both groups) were compared with sedentary controls, any changes in heart function were common to bodybuilders. The take home message from this study is that bodybuilding itself can alter (not impair) arterial structure/function and that steroids do not appear to impair cardiac function. (1)

    Does MRFIT need a T boost?

    A famous cardiac study was published about 10 years ago. It soon became on ongoing study known as the Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial (MRFIT). The present study examined changes in Testosterone over 13 years in 66 men aged 41 to 61 years. The researchers determined if changes in total Testosterone are related to cardiovascular disease risk factors.

    The average Testosterone levels at the beginning of the study were 751 ng/dl and decreased by 41 ng/dl. Men who smoked or exhibited Type A behavior were found to have even greater decreases in T levels. The change in Testosterone was also associated with an increase in triglyceride levels and a decrease in the good cholesterol (HDL).

    The authors concluded that decreases in Testosterone levels as observed in men over time are associated with unfavorable heart disease risk. (2) Sounds to me like a good reason to get T support/replacement therapy in the middle age years!

    In a similar study, researchers in Poland examined if Testosterone replacement therapy in aging men positively effected heart disease risk factors. Twenty-two men with low T levels received 200 mg of Testosterone enanthate every other week for one year. Throughout treatment, Testosterone, estradiol, total cholesterol, HDL and LDL were measured.

    The researchers determined that T replacement returned both Testosterone and estradiol levels back to normal and acceptable levels. They also found that T replacement lowered cholesterol and LDL (the bad cholesterol) without altering HDL (the good cholesterol). Furthermore, there was no change in prostate function or size.

    The take home message from this study is that T replacement doesn't appear to raise heart disease risk and it may actually lower your risk. (3) It appears that more physicians should be prescribing low dose Testosterone to middle age and aging men for both libido, muscle tone and for cardiac reasons.

    What about younger men?

    It's been long established that men have a higher risk of heart disease. One of the risk factors implicated is Testosterone. Reportedly, the recreational use of Testosterone can alter lipoprotein levels and, in fact, case reports exist describing bodybuilders who've abused steroids and have experienced heart disease or even sudden death. But the question remains, is the causal association one of truth or just an association?

    To answer this, researchers at the University of North Texas recruited twelve competitive bodybuilders for a comprehensive evaluation of the cardiovascular effects of steroids. Six heavyweight steroid-using bodybuilders were compared with six heavyweight drug-free bodybuilders.

    As expected, the heavy steroid users had lower total cholesterol and HDL levels as compared to the drug-free athletes. What was unexpected was that the steroid users also had significantly lower LDL (the bad cholesterol) and triglyceride levels as compared to the non-steroid users. In addition, the juicers also had lower apolipoprotein B levels (a marker for heart disease risk). Thus, the authors concluded that androgens do not appear to raise the risk of cardiovascular disease. (4) The take home message from this study is that the negative cardiac side effects of steroids are most likely overstated.

    In a little more progressive study, researchers at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Boogie Down Bronx (the BDB to those in the know) examined Testosterone as a possible therapy for cardiovascular disease. (5) The researchers note that T can be given in oral, injectable, pellet and transdermal delivery forms. It's noted that injections of Testosterone (100 to 200 mg every two weeks) in men with low levels of T will decrease total cholesterol and LDL while raising the HDL.

    In fact, Testosterone therapy has been found to have antianginal effects (reduces chest pain). Low levels of Testosterone are also correlated with high blood pressure, specifically high systolic pressure. The researchers determined that returning T levels back to normal and even high-normal levels have positive cardiovascular effects and should be considered as an adjunctive treatment for maintaining muscle mass when someone has congestive heart failure.

    Putting it all together

    Strong research demonstrates that the risks of negative cardiovascular effects of steroids are overstated. In fact, a recent paper published in the Canadian Journal of Applied Physiology questioned the whole risk of using steroids. (6) Joey Antonio, Ph.D. and Chris Street MS, CSCS published strong data showing that the risks of steroid use are largely exaggerated, much like scare tactics used by your parents while you were a kid. Of course, it goes unsaid that abuse of anything will lead to unwanted consequences.

    We know that as we age, circulating Testosterone levels naturally decrease. For most people the Testosterone decrease goes from high-normal to mid to low normal. Data shows that there's an inverse relationship between T levels and blood pressure as well as abdominal obesity (that paunch we see on so many middle age males).

    Testosterone replacement lowers abdominal obesity and restores Testosterone back to normal levels. Restored Testosterone is correlated with better mood, better muscle tone, stronger sex drive, lower cardiovascular disease risks, stronger bones and better memory. It's important to note that while conservative use gives a pronounced positive health benefit, higher doses may not n
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    Oct 23, 2007 1:16 AM GMT
    Testosterone replacement lowers abdominal obesity and restores Testosterone back to normal levels. Restored Testosterone is correlated with better mood, better muscle tone, stronger sex drive, lower cardiovascular disease risks, stronger bones and better memory. It's important to note that while conservative use gives a pronounced positive health benefit, higher doses may not necessarily lead to further health benefits.

    What to do

    If you see your body composition changing (your gut starts looking like your Uncle Lester's), your strength or muscle tone diminishing despite your hard training and good diet, and your sex drive not matching up to TC's columns, have your Testosterone levels checked. The acceptable normal range for Testosterone to physicians is 300 mg/dl to 1100 mg/dl. Yes, that's a pretty wide range.

    In the clinic, we see people with the complaints consistent with "andropause" (a term for male menopause) and/or increased cardiovascular risk having Testosterone levels between 300 mg/dl and 550 mg/dl. Bringing it up to the mid to high-normal level is what gives the health and "youthful" benefits. Traditionally 200 mg/dl of supplemental Testosterone given every one to two weeks improves body composition, lowers total cholesterol and LDL, while raising HDL.

    It appears that supplemental T is a healthier and safer way to go than many of the drugs used to treat poor lipid profiles. The data presented in this article applies for males over 35, not those who are 18. If you think that you can benefit from Testosterone therapy look for physicians who market themselves as "anti-aging" or "longevity physicians" as well as the more progressive endocrinologists or cardiologists.

    Long story short, used intelligently, Testosterone is good medicine!

    About the author: Douglas S. Kalman MS, RD is a Director for Miami Research Associates ( a leading pharmaceutical and nutrition research organization in Miami, Florida. Doug is also a national spokesperson for the American College of Sports Medicine and according to his latest test has high T levels. Doug can be reached at


    1) Sader MA, Griffiths KA, McCredie RJ, et al. Androgenic anabolic steroids and arterial structure and function in male bodybuilders. J Am Coll Cardiol 2001;37(1):224-230.

    2) Zmuda JM, Cauley JA, Kriska A, et al. Longitudinal relation between endogenous testosterone and cardiovascular disease risk factors in middle aged men. A 13 year follow-up of former Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial participants. Am J Epidemiol 1997;146(:609-617.

    3) Zgliczynski S, Ossowski M, Slowinska-Srednicka J, et al. Effect of testosterone replacement therapy on lipids and lipoproteins in hypogonadal and elderly men. Atherosclerosis 1996;121(1):35-43.

    4) Diekerman RD, McConathy WJ, Zachariah NY. Testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, lipoproteins and vascular disease risk. J Cardiovasc Risk 1997;4(5-6):363-366.

    5) Shapiro J, Christiana J, Frishman WH. Testosterone and other anabolic steroids as cardiovascular drugs. Am J Ther 1999;6(3):167-174.

    6) Antonio J, Street C. Androgen use by athletes: A reevaluation of the health risks. Can J Appl Physiol 1996;21(6):421-440.
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    Oct 23, 2007 1:20 AM GMT
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  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 23, 2007 6:33 AM GMT

    Talk to fellow athletes who have been to good docs that have the same type 1 that you have. I am not an expert on diabetes.
    Hopefully you like almonds a small handful a few times a day can help maintain you blood sugar levels. An hour max workout is sufficient don't overtrain!

    I guess chuncky likes to hear himself. - T replacement is all still considered POSSIBLY helpful in certain areas. Not in your case. Doesn't sound like you have low testosterone. Do you have erection problems low ejaculations? Steriod use HAS been proven to cause thickening of organs, tumors on organs as well as heart disease scalp hair loss and damages your genetics and premature ageing of the skin. This is not speculative. If you read the forums, 90% of the time, he turns it into the benefit of testosterone boosting and roids. True testosterone therapy envoles increasing it in low levels. What about side effects increased prostate cancer??

    Good luck!

    Keep us posted.

    If you followed chunks advice you would be in a diabetic coma.
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    Oct 23, 2007 7:55 AM GMT
    The North Texas study was quoted above because of misinformation being presented prior to its quoting, and not as an endorsement, although, there has been much science done that points the same direction as the single study quoted. In fact, the vast majority of evidence points that direction. It's no coincidence that no agency recommended any of the AAS, or even GH, be controlled, including the AMA, DHS, and DEA (all easily verifiable). Good science speaks otherwise.

    As someone who spent 11 years in commercial broadcast news, I know the importance of doing more than "fluff."

    That's why it's important that truthful information be put forth.

    When someone lies in their presentation, a scientific rebuttal is a good rebuttal.

    Any person can go googling for real life studies on anti-aging, strength training, weight management, wasting disease, and so on.

    It's a huge disservice for quacks to spread false information. Much like "Reefer Madness" of the 70's is what I've seen here. An informed, and fully-qualified, decision is what's important, rather than hearsay, upon hearsay, by folks who have neither the science, personal experience, nor the academic qualifications to quantify their misleading statements.

    I'm unbothered by the personal attacks. I understand that some folks are like that, and it is what it is.

    There is tons of scientific information and study, on any number of bodybuilding boards about using insulin, AAS, and so on. All that science is used daily by millions, without serious consequence.

    Statins, NSAIDS, ACE inhibs, are all very much more unhealthy than a bit of extra testosterone (not toxic at virtually any level), going anabolic on some insulin.

    If a person is truly interested in what they put into their bodies, and I'd like to think someone asking the question is, they need to take days, hours, months, and even years in the study of it. Apples to apples, and oranges to oranges, is the best comparison. Any good bodybuilding board will have study after study listed, or you can find them by simply googling. Watching Real Sports Episode 99 is a good starter.

    With regard to diabetic coma, one would have to take upwards of 3 to 8 cc (nearly the whole jug, to induce that state). To spread such nonsense is crazy. As little as 4 grams of sugar (glucose tabs) and bring blood glucose up enough to prevent shakes, etc. Most diabetic folks, or muscleheads, using insulin rarely do over 10IU (that's 1/10 of 1 cc). Making unqualified statements is very unbecoming.

    My belief is not that everyone should be on anti-aging, but, that they should be availed of the fact that they don't have to feel like crap, be weak, die of stupid diseases, get Alheizmer's or Parkinson's. Those diseases are easily preventable in an anti-aging regimen. Weekly, I speak to folks in the gym who've had a renewed lifestyle and health because of good anti-aging medicine. And...there are the studies to back it up. There are NO, that's ZERO, studies that point to increased mortality on those in an anti-aging regimen. And...that's in 60 years of study, by the military and by the AMA.

    It's my strongly held belief that at some point truth prevails, in disregard of any misinformation campaigns. "Reefer Madness" is considered laughable by most folks these days. (The truth prevailed, despite a misinformation campaign.) "Reefer Madness" was, at best, poor entertainment.

    At the core, most people are lazy, undisciplined, and weak-minded. In this case, there was an unqualified statement made, which I rebutted with a published survey done right here at UNT. That hardly constitutes an endorsement. Anyone can go searching on The Internet for truth. Many folks, however, are just plain lazy.

    With regard to saving lives, everyone knows the number one killer: fat people. The DHS says that roughly 6.5 MILLION folks die prematurely, annually, because of diseases of obesity.

    Tonight, at the gym, I spent quite a bit of time visit with an ER doctor, that has a practice just up the road from where I live. He said, "Chuck, I bet your numbers are near perfect aren't they?" I said, "Yep, 'cept for my cholesterol being a bit on the low side." He said, "don't worry about it. You're amazing at 47."

    As someone who grew up as the son of a livestock grower, and as someone who used to buy AAS over the counter (you still can buy AAS over the counter for livestock), and as someone who literally knows hundreds of high level athletes, at many ages, and as someone who has been in studies, and as someone who studies himself, and just about everything around him, I know the truth about many things. It's a tragedy to see some nut spouting off what are clearly untruths.

    I hope, that...the reader is smart enough to research stuff, in depth, for themselves. It's all out there for the reading.

    Every time the anti performance folks get on their pulpit, it's funny. Lyle Alzedo: American Cancer Society said "(his) brain cancer no more came from AAS than little green apples make babies. Chris Benoit's Dad on Larry King, "Chris got dinged on the head one to many times. It wasn't (AAS).) And so on, time and again. Now, they (was is the DEA or some org..I forget)just found out DHEA lowers test levels.

    The point being: life is hazardous. Being fat, taking tylenol, or smoking a cig is way more dangerous than being in great shape and being on an anti-aging routine. Most medical doctors will concur, off record, about it, the end of the day. What I stick, or someone else...sticks in their ass, should not be a legal matter.

    What should be a legal matter is when you endanger the public, steal, lie, and so on.
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    Oct 23, 2007 8:19 AM GMT
    Dood, FYI, steroids only shrink your nuts, not your dick.icon_cool.gif Since you probably aren't going to be making babies, why worry about that? And the shrinkage is temporary. As is the depression of your natural test production. It may take a while after a cycle to come back, and maybe not too 100% right away, but endogenous production won't be permanently stopped.
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    Oct 23, 2007 8:41 AM GMT
    Massimouno is dead on. He has enough hours on the planet to know a few things.

    Folks are on thyroid for YEARS and within several days of withdrawal of meds, their T levels bounce right up.

    Same goes for testosterone. Rapid withdrawal is a drag, and not as fast on the rebound, but, within about 3 weeks, or shorter, with proper're right back where you would have been.

    Same goes for insulin. You'd have to take so much, and have to take it non-stop that you could not develop additional disease. There are folks who've done 30IU a days for years, and come bouncing right off.

    Same thing for women who take estrogen (a steroid). They can be on for YEARS, and come off the pill without problems.

    That's GOOD SCIENCE, and FACTS, and not FICTION.

    There are tons of really good papers written by good researchers that attest to that.

    It funny that estrogen is so main stream but testosterone is still taboo (although that's changing thanks to truth coming out more and more).

    Society is full of taboos.

    I remember back in the 70's. Only a queer would shave his legs.

    I'm constantly giggling about popular culture catching up to me.

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    Oct 23, 2007 12:16 PM GMT
    Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia with regard to diabetes, and testosterone....(read the full article at which would be germane here.:

    "A lack of testosterone can lead to a statistically significant increase in the liklihood of cardio vascular disease (CVD), type 2 diabetes (a third of all men with type 2 diabetes have low testosterone), low testosterone can cause osteoporosis in males. A lack of testosterone has been shown to be associated with increased adipose fat, obesity and a difficulty in losing excess weight and has been strongly associated with depression. Most alarming is the recent evidence/studies that have shown that a lack of testosterone greatly increase mortality rates in men over 50."

    With regard to prostate cancer (taken from

    "But there is study data to suggest it does not (Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Therapy in the Treatment of Chronic Diseases. J Clinical Endocrinol Metabol Vol. 86, No. 11 5108-5117). In fact, one study indicates that men with low free testosterone levels are actually more likely to have more aggressive prostate cancer (J Urol 2000 Mar;163(3):824-7)."

    As I said, the truth is coming out. Before you call me names, and blow untruths around, do some research.

    My own experiences with heavy juiceheads is that they ALL have LOW PSAs. Perhaps a coincidence, but, the studies lean that way, too.

    It's a shame with quacks get on without doing even main stream reading. The AMA, NEJM, and BCS, all have similar studies, but, the full manuscripts required purchase.

    My point is a quack is a quack is a quack.
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    Oct 23, 2007 9:18 PM GMT
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    Oct 23, 2007 10:55 PM GMT
    Just saw my doctor this morning and asked him about steroids and testosterone, and yeah, it's true, lol.

    Those dweebs who're abusing the stuff must seriously be using a ton...

    I've had my levels checked before, they're just over 1000mg/dl... I really don't like the idea of futzing around with hormones, so I'm not touching testosterone unless I need to.

    Still wondering how a non-diabetic would use insulin to bulk up... I know if I use more insulin than I should, my blood sugar drops sharply and I go into seizures. I know normally eating way more than you normally would will cause a temporary decrease in insulin production/sensitivity to prevent the body from metabolizing excess sugar, so are these guys using insulin for a leg up when eating much larger amounts of food than usual? I gues you would have no problems if you were eatng enough to compensate for the extra insulin in your system, lol.