I can't for the life of me understand the gay man's fascination with Cher....

  • DrobUA

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    Mar 21, 2009 2:55 AM GMT
    Someone please explain.. Is it because she looks like a drag queen?
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    Mar 21, 2009 3:45 AM GMT
    Yes and a very, very old one at that. Soon they will have to prop her up.

    Just as well, I gave back my gay card......
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    Mar 21, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    AMEN!!!! I don't get either! As an actress, I can handle her. As a solo recording artist, GOD NO!! As Sonny & Cher? YES!
  • OptimusMatt

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    Mar 21, 2009 4:01 AM GMT
    Because she's been a 'sexualized' icon since the early 60's?

    Also, cause sometimes her music just kind of speaks to me. I don't really enjoy soppy music but...sometimes we all sleep alone yo.

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    Plus, she's aged a lot more gracefully than Madonna, and she was doing what Madonna's been doing since before Madonna was born. And while I know she's had work done, it looks alright, instead of the rat-faced mess that Joan Rivers pretends 'looks good'.
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    Mar 21, 2009 4:07 AM GMT
    Cher was born in 1946; she's a survivor and her daughter came out as a lesbian in 1990. Perhaps that's why many people are fascinated by Cher.

    Then again, people may find Cher fascinating because of her acting and singing talents.


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  • OptimusMatt

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    Mar 21, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
    Well, also have you ever watched interviews of her? especially the ones i watched from the 80's...she was so...demure. Hard to believe that someone so sexualized could BE so...doe-eyed innocent seeming.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 21, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    I think she is certainly talented, but I agree... I haven't a clue...
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    Mar 21, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    "It's a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart."
    ~O Brother Where Art Thou?

    I don't know why I like her; I just do.
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    Mar 21, 2009 4:30 AM GMT
    As the man that I am, not just a gay man, I'm not so driven to love Cher... Though the one tin solider is a good thing to learn.
  • Roch_Athlete

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    Mar 21, 2009 7:04 AM GMT
    bill007 saidCher was born in 1946; she's a survivor and her daughter came out as a lesbian in 1990. Perhaps that's why many people are fascinated by Cher.


    Kinda sounds like Dick Cheney. Now I don't know a lot about gay culture, but he's a gay icon too, right?
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:27 AM GMT
    Well, lets see. "Believe" came out my senior year of HS, and while I wasn't a jaded bitter homo yet, I still liked the song. It wasn't until years later that I discovered "Halfbreed", "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" and "Black Magic Woman". Why and just tonight, me and my best girl friend sang some "I Got You Babe" However, to answer the question.....

    I like all sorts of random music. Cher usually only pops up in random situations when I'm mocking someone. And why not? Its fun, its campy. I mean, how many other women have you seen dressed as a cherokee in their videos?
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:30 AM GMT
    I have no idea. All I know is I was making my mom play "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" over and over again by the time I was 5 years old.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:31 AM GMT
    I hate her music almost as much as I hate American International Group.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:34 AM GMT
    Sean_85 saidI hate her music almost as much as I hate American International Group.


    Just for that I'm going to tie you up, tape your eye lids open and make you watch as I sing "Halfbreed" and "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" into a hair brush like I did when I was kid.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:38 AM GMT
    She doesn't look like a drag queen; drag queens look like her!icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:41 AM GMT
    No idea. I have her most famous "bad" songs on my IPod, but to be honest with you anybody that recorded a song as bad as "Half-Breed" does not deserve to be an icon. I like it in a guilty pleasure sort of way. The same reason I like "You're Having Myr Baby" by Paul Anka, and "Seasons In The Sun" by Terry Jacks.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:44 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    Sean_85 saidI hate her music almost as much as I hate American International Group.


    Just for that I'm going to tie you up, tape your eye lids open and make you watch as I sing "Halfbreed" and "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" into a hair brush like I did when I was kid.


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    Mar 21, 2009 7:45 AM GMT
    Sean_85 said
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    Sean_85 saidI hate her music almost as much as I hate American International Group.


    Just for that I'm going to tie you up, tape your eye lids open and make you watch as I sing "Halfbreed" and "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" into a hair brush like I did when I was kid.


    icon_cry.gif I has a sad..


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    Mar 21, 2009 12:03 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    SurrealLife said"Seasons In The Sun" by Terry Jacks.

    Worst. Song. Ever.

    No, that was "I am Woman" by Helen Reddy.
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    Mar 21, 2009 12:16 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    jprichva said
    SurrealLife said"Seasons In The Sun" by Terry Jacks.

    Worst. Song. Ever.

    No, that was "I am Woman" by Helen Reddy.


    Oh no there are worse songs then that, trust me. Even I can't stomach "Rocky" by Austin Roberts (it was a hit in 1975).

    BTW I have "I Am On Woman" on my IPod, along with "Delta Dawn".
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    Mar 21, 2009 12:18 PM GMT
    As she got older, her boyfriends got younger and cuter (lol).
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    Mar 21, 2009 12:25 PM GMT
    i dont get it either, meh
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    Mar 21, 2009 12:56 PM GMT
    DrobUA-
    Well, by now, you've come to realize that not all gay men just Loooooove Cher. It could be, in part, a generation thing. Think about it - who do you like in pop culture that older guys do not or your younger relatives wonder, why is Uncle DrobUA so into (insert name of pop icon)...?

    In the beginning. . . ..
    My mom plopped me and my sis in front of the TV with her to watch Sonny and Cher, and then Cher (after the divorce), and I've been a fan ever since on and off. But mostly on.

    I didn't get some of her late 70s/early 80s stuff, but by the time I was in high school, and without being connected to gay culture at 16 in 1985, I was like - holy shit, who is this woman singing "We all Sleep Alone" and "I Found Someone." Then, with comeback after comeback and after the media would slam her music, boyfriends, and acting talents, I was like - She's a survivor. At that point, I had no clue she was a gay icon. I did know that Barbara Streisand, Bette Midler, and Liza Minelli were true gay icons to the older guys - and i wondered - why? WHY? WHY? At 16 (and through college), I was confused about that phenomenon.

    And, so, over time, I started to identify more with the part of Cher being a survivor, in addition to her being someone that, intrinsically, I could relate to. It's unexplainable.

    And, when Believe came out in what, 1998, I have no idea why or how so many gay men between the ages of 18 and 50 at the time went gaga over her. I mean, really, DrobUA. I have NO clue.

    It's kinda like there was a gay sleeper cell out there and her music just released the extra gayness gene in many folks.

    Nevertheless, I had a boyfriend in 1999 who was into dissing my diva, so, whatever, not everyone's a fan. HA!

    To summarize -
    a. her music hits a generational chord of those who feel/felt like outsiders
    b. she was a survivor and always appreciated her gay audiences
    c. has a lesbian daughter
    d. btw, drag queens imitate her, hehe
    e. expect to have the next generation diss yer diva(s)
    f. don't take this all too seriously, some of it is inexplicable unless we were to do a massive focus group or stratified statistically significant survey of randomly selected homos across the world.

    I want you to learn to have fun with the fact that there are things about our culture that are a little bit wacky. Really!











  • DiverScience

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    Mar 21, 2009 1:16 PM GMT
    Same reason "the gays" like anything. Because people like things. Same reason "the straights" like NASCAR.

    Some do, some don't, some get a lot of press for it and some don't.

    "The gays" just have just had a lot smaller sample to choose from if they wanted people who didn't openly revile them. That may be changing, but you can't expect them to give up their old idols from an age when the world was different.
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    Mar 21, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
    jprichva saidShe is an icon because she projects the image of someone
    who Don't Take No Crap Offa Anyone.

    This may not be as relevant now, but to an earlier generation (to which I belong) it was a major ingredient for some icons.


    JP and BioMatty know something about Cher.

    I can't explain any fascinations with her. (I.E.: Jack McFarland)
    But I got dragged kicking and screaming to one of her last concerts and that's when I realized - Cher is the bomb... an American icon w/ a career spanning several decades.

    I'm much more perplexed why gay guys would chose Judy Garland.