Red Vespa's theory for judging morbid obesity in your community

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    Mar 21, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    Just read a post about the high incidence of obesity in Syracuse, New York. No mystery there, clearly a matter of survival: they need extra layers of insulating fat against the cold.

    But how do you know if YOUR community in the US is suffering from an epidemic of morbid obesity? Easy! Just count the number of electric shopping carts at your local Wal-Mart, Target, or supermarket.

    As we've all observed, these are mainly appropriated by the grossly fat (almost always women), and rarely do the traditionally disabled (the legless, the severely infirm, the extremely weak & elderly) get to use them. You can instantly recognize the ultra-fat rider when their bulging ass is wider than the electric cart itself.

    Now here's the formula: do a rough estimate of the number of ordinary push carts in the store, and if the number of electric rider carts exceeds a 1% ratio, you are living in Fat City!

    Of course, I'm always puzzled why the fatties, if they can't walk by themselves inside the store, don't arrive riding their own carts. Apparently they only become immobile once they pass the store entrance.

    On a serious note, my partner just left to pick up a friend of ours in his 60s, who recently lost a leg due to a life-threatening illness. He's still learning to use his artificial leg, and prefers to just use a wheelchair in public at present.

    Hubby will be taking him to a supermarket, that provides those electric rider carts, and as usual our friend will refuse to use one. Plus typically there aren't any available anyway, the fatties having taken them all.

    He pushes himself in his own wheelchair, and puts his things on his lap, or into the cart my partner takes, or into mine when I go along, too. Meanwhile, the fatties cruise around the store in the electrics, blocking the aisles with their broad butts.

    Sorry for being cranky, but even I'm entitled to use those damn things, but would never consider that, because more needy people than me might be denied. So that when the fat-asses hog them, I get very mad. END OF RANT. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 21, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    According to Men's Fitness, Miami is currently the fattest U.S. city.
    http://www.mensfitness.com/lifestyle/215
    I'm surprised 'cause I thought warm weather offered greater opportunity for recreation and more incentive to be in shape due to numerous occasions of wearing less clothing.
    My area comes in as the 18th fittest, but I've got no insight as to why that is either.

    Someone should run some regression analysis and find a correlation.
  • DCEric

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    Mar 21, 2009 5:02 PM GMT
    You would actually need a geospatial analysis for that. If someone has the data in either raster or shapefile (or binary) format... I'd be happy to do it and post the results.

    /takes 5 minutes. Tops.
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    Mar 21, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
    Beaux saidAccording to Men's Fitness, Miami is currently the fattest U.S. city.
    http://www.mensfitness.com/lifestyle/215
    I'm surprised 'cause I thought warm weather offered greater opportunity for recreation and more incentive to be in shape due to numerous occasions of wearing less clothing.
    My area comes in as the 18th fittest, but I've got no insight as to why that is either.

    Someone should run some regression analysis and find a correlation.



    Ah thereĀ“s warm and there is stinky swamp hot. Miami, like much of FL is stinky swamp hot much of the time.
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    Mar 21, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
    DCEric saidYou would actually need a geospatial analysis for that. If someone has the data in either raster or shapefile (or binary) format... I'd be happy to do it and post the results.

    /takes 5 minutes. Tops.


    Ow! That made my brain hurt!icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 21, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said
    DCEric saidYou would actually need a geospatial analysis for that. If someone has the data in either raster or shapefile (or binary) format... I'd be happy to do it and post the results.

    /takes 5 minutes. Tops.


    Ow! That made my brain hurt!icon_wink.gif


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    Mar 21, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    You see a lot of people that just like to ride the carts for the hell of it, obesity and handicap aside.
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    Mar 21, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    I always wondered why there were so many obese people riding those electric wheelchairs. I thought they were disabled. But maybe many of them are suffering from morbid obesity. The thing that irritates me is so many of the people are rude. They honk at you as you are walking down the sidewalk, as if they own the damn cement.
  • silverfox

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    Mar 21, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
    Wow.

    I will take a different view.

    People seem to be cold, callous, and not very empathetic..

    I am not speaking of morbidly obese people. I am speaking of the people writing casually about morbidly obese people on this thread. How convenient to lump every "fatty" into one one category when there are probably a number of different reasons why individuals are in the state that they are in. Cruel and heartless in my humble opinion.


    Thank God we are all so beautiful and perfect that we can pick apart people who may be struggling with situations that would be foreign to us.

    There, not I have ranted I feel better.


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    Mar 21, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
    Buffyfan84 saidYou see a lot of people that just like to ride the carts for the hell of it, obesity and handicap aside.

    I know. Maybe they should have their legs broken, so they would legitimately qualify to use them. icon_razz.gif

    I have an official blue handicapped placard I hang from the rear-view mirror of any car I ride in, and even my Vespa scooter has a handicapped license tag. But I wouldn't DARE take one of those electric carts, because I can still hobble around with a cane, and there are some in far worse shape than me who need those things more than I do.

    So that when the fat & lazy hog those electric carts I get very mad. Being obese is a self-inflicted wound, as we'd say in the US Army, which earns you no sympathy. Don't wanna be fat, don't eat like a pig, you moron. Natural disorders which cause uncontrollable obesity are extremely rare yet do exist, but all the fat people claim that's their problem. Like hell it is.

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    Mar 21, 2009 6:12 PM GMT
    I'm sorry I read your post. Such bitterness! Your hateful attitude is very sad. You seem to feel that obese people are lazy. Do you think they like being that size? Do you have any idea how hard it must be to live that way? Do you have any idea how hard it is for some people to lose weight? Do you understand that there may be underlying psychological factors? Your attitude is far more disturbing that the sight of an obese person.


    Red_Vespa saidJust read a post about the high incidence of obesity in Syracuse, New York. No mystery there, clearly a matter of survival: they need extra layers of insulating fat against the cold.

    But how do you know if YOUR community in the US is suffering from an epidemic of morbid obesity? Easy! Just count the number of electric shopping carts at your local Wal-Mart, Target, or supermarket.

    As we've all observed, these are mainly appropriated by the grossly fat (almost always women), and rarely do the traditionally disabled (the legless, the severely infirm, the extremely weak & elderly) get to use them. You can instantly recognize the ultra-fat rider when their bulging ass is wider than the electric cart itself.

    Now here's the formula: do a rough estimate of the number of ordinary push carts in the store, and if the number of electric rider carts exceeds a 1% ratio, you are living in Fat City!

    Of course, I'm always puzzled why the fatties, if they can't walk by themselves inside the store, don't arrive riding their own carts. Apparently they only become immobile once they pass the store entrance.

    On a serious note, my partner just left to pick up a friend of ours in his 60s, who recently lost a leg due to a life-threatening illness. He's still learning to use his artificial leg, and prefers to just use a wheelchair in public at present.

    Hubby will be taking him to a supermarket, that provides those electric rider carts, and as usual our friend will refuse to use one. Plus typically there aren't any available anyway, the fatties having taken them all.

    He pushes himself in his own wheelchair, and puts his things on his lap, or into the cart my partner takes, or into mine when I go along, too. Meanwhile, the fatties cruise around the store in the electrics, blocking the aisles with their broad butts.

    Sorry for being cranky, but even I'm entitled to use those damn things, but would never consider that, because more needy people than me might be denied. So that when the fat-asses hog them, I get very mad. END OF RANT. icon_sad.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 21, 2009 6:33 PM GMT
    I guess I was lucky enough to have my electric carts in louisiana for holiday shopping as I had just broken my leg.
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    Mar 21, 2009 6:51 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidI'm sorry I read your post. Such bitterness! Your hateful attitude is very sad. You seem to feel that obese people are lazy. Do you think they like being that size? Do you have any idea how hard it must be to live that way? Do you have any idea how hard it is for some people to lose weight? Do you understand that there may be underlying psychological factors? Your attitude is far more disturbing that the sight of an obese person.

    Fat people are gross & repulsive. They choose to be fat, relying upon the excuse that a very, very small number of people actually do have genuine medical disorders that make some of them involuntarily fat.

    But in reality, most of them are fat because they are self-indulgent pigs, nothing to do with a real medical reason. Fact. I have no sympathy for their fat asses. You may make all the rationalizations & excuses you like, but you can't weigh a ton if you don't eat a ton. Fact. The laws of physics & nutrition can't be reversed for trendy PC reasons.

    As for so-called "eating disorders" that's another feel-good excuse for a lack of self-discipline & control. If you eat like a pig, you will look like a pig. Have we totally forgotten the concept of personal responsibility & discipline?

    No wonder the US is the most overweight nation on Earth. Why does this plague confine itself only to our geographical borders? What a unique disorder & disease that would be, to stop at political borders, and effect no one else.

    Rather, it is cultural, not physical, a problem of the mind, not of the body. Americans are obese because we choose to be, not because we are forced to be. So that I have no sympathy for those who can't take control over their own lives. Whose self-indulgence inconveniences me, when I have done nothing to warrant suffering from their selfishness.

    Let the fat ones wallow in the mess they have created for themselves; they will find no sympathy from me. You are fat because you made yourself fat, and I see no reason I should offer you either sympathy, nor pay for you to support your indulgence. Let you expire, and trouble us no more.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
    This is exactly one of the reasons I avoid Walmart. Fat women with absolutely no intention of losing weight ( I notice what they purchase) disgust me. Instead of loading up on fresh fruit and vegetables, it is pudding, ice cream and cookies. Yeah, those are medicinal...... Those carts should be reduced and held for coolarmydude not an old fat-assed bitch.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 21, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
    Well we can certainly discuss Walmart and the fat people there. Its always about the first thing that anyone says about Walmart and the people, other than the attitude of those grossly overweight people

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    On a brighter note, I think Wichita ranks on the positive side. We've gotton kudos as a "fit" city with our progressive YMCA promotions (and incredible facilities). Can't wait for the new Andover YMCA to open in about a month.
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    Hi red! I have to say that it is only going to SHITER then better. In Orlando we have allot of "fatty's" young and old. My friends that are younger then me are all over weight. And all thy do is complain about it stuffing there face with another hot dog. Apparently actions is harder then living with the consequent of the lack of actions . We are on the crest of a major epidemic. you know thing are becoming real shity when the airlines charge you extra because thy are a "Person of size" or how the number of handicap stops have mutinied in the past decade , But just think ... that one day in the not so distant future the number of electric carts will meet or exceed the number of carts at the shopping centers .
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidI'm sorry I read your post. Such bitterness! Your hateful attitude is very sad. You seem to feel that obese people are lazy. Do you think they like being that size? Do you have any idea how hard it must be to live that way? Do you have any idea how hard it is for some people to lose weight? Do you understand that there may be underlying psychological factors? Your attitude is far more disturbing that the sight of an obese person.


    Lazy? Hard to lose weight? PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDERS?

    Jesus, you look at what fat people buy and it's CLEARLY a matter of choice. I get deathly sick if I drink so much as half a can of full-octane coke, but they buy it in CASES!

    Losing weight is extremely simple if you exercise good self-discipline, and it frequently doesn't take much more than smaller portion sizes with a smattering of physical activity over the course of a few months. If you kick the coke habit, you'll drop several pounds in water, then proceed to drop fat because you knock out as much as 500 calories from your diet.

    As far as psychological disorders go, they're some of the most-easily treated health problems and in many cases are solved simply by rigorous attitude adjustment (and you'll feel real stupid for spending $300 on a therapist just to have him tell you that).

    I think Red_Vespa hit it on the head: IT'S UTTER LAZINESS!
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:48 PM GMT
    Jeez, you guys are a tough crowd.
    Maybe a distinction needs to be reiterated that RV is referring only to morbid obesity, not just overweight folks.
    And even then a bit of sympathy is in order.

    I'd offer that everybody is subject to some indulgent behavior.
    If you're of the "food is love" mentality and you also have genetically slow metabolism, you've got the stars lined up for weight problems.
    Keeping it off can be a real challenge.
    -There are also people for whom exercise is difficult due to injuries, bad backs, knees, or whatever.

    When I see overweight folks sweating and panting at my gym, think about the kahonas it takes to subject themselves to ridicule like that. Instead, my hat is off to them for trying.
    How 'bout a little encouragement?

    I'm just sayin'...
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    Mar 21, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    BeauxWhen I see overweight folks sweating and panting at my gym, think about the kahonas it takes to subject themselves to ridicule like that. Instead, my hat is off to them for trying.
    How 'bout a little encouragement?


    I'm with ya there. There's one guy at my gym who's 300 lbs, down from 400 lbs a year ago, and finally off all his blood pressure medications and his diabetes is going away. Kinda weird to think 300 lbs is the best shape he's ever been in, but he's already a shitpile healthier than most people at 300 lbs and he's still losing weight.
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    Mar 21, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    Beaux saidJeez, you guys are a tough crowd.
    Maybe a distinction needs to be reiterated that RV is referring only to morbid obesity, not just overweight folks.
    And even then a bit of sympathy is in order...

    I have to agree with you, or else I'd be a shameless hypocrite. I'm a bit overweight myself, and though I could argue the challenges of age, and the heavy meds I'm on, that don't make it easy to control my weight, who the hell said it was supposed to be EASY?

    I'm overweight because I eat more than I should, and exercise less than I should. It doesn't matter that I can't eat more than a mouse, and need to exercise despite rather severe physical disabilities. Oh boo-hoo. My weight is my fault, no one else's.

    If there are extenuating circumstances that's my bad luck, not my excuse to turn into the Hindenburg. I come from a generation that says that I'm responsible for what I am. If I fail I get the blame, not someone or something else. If I succeed, well, humility says I can't take the credit, you gotta assign it somewhere else, maybe to your parents. And in my case, my parents do deserve what credit there is.

    But when I see morbidly obese people wallowing around in stores and riding in those electric carts, that have become common in the US, I do ask myself: how did you get that way? Do you have no sense of self-respect, and self-discipline? Why am I less than you in any way, and should surrender that cart that I need for myself, having become disabled during 25 years of honorable military service, you miserable, selfish fat slob?
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    Mar 21, 2009 8:47 PM GMT
    I live in the Miami/Ft Lauderdale area.. the world's fattest area and I can tell you a few things I've noticed

    1.Few people friendly parks especially a huge lack of dog parks. This is not a dog friendly area.

    2. Bike riding is very dangerous - between the elderly and having the greatest number of unlicensed and uninsured drivers, we have THE highest rate per capita of bicycle rider deaths in US.

    3. Portions are HUGE in restaurants. Health food restaurants last only a few months here.
    Even my in shape gay friends will deride a restaurant for having 'small portions'

    4. The lowest literacy rate in US is Florida. It is easier to point to a picture of a Big Mac than to order something healthy.




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    Mar 21, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    I'm a huge Disney fan, and have been going to the parks for 15 years. I've seen the same disturbing trend there: more and more people using electric scooters to get around. Most are exceptionally large middle-aged redneck women, with 4-6 screaming urchins orbiting around them like so many ADD-riddled satellites. It's kinda scary - becoming like the people in the film, "WALL*E" . . .

    "Hey, Brandine, go fetch mama another funnel cake and some diet Co-cola!"
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    Mar 21, 2009 8:51 PM GMT
    im just reading this the ads are for "Chubby Dating" too funny
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    Mar 21, 2009 9:12 PM GMT
    Bigsmiles saidI live in the Miami/Ft Lauderdale area.. the world's fattest area and I can tell you a few things I've noticed

    1.Few people friendly parks especially a huge lack of dog parks. This is not a dog friendly area.

    2. Bike riding is very dangerous - between the elderly and having the greatest number of unlicensed and uninsured drivers, we have THE highest rate per capita of bicycle rider deaths in US.

    3. Portions are HUGE in restaurants. Health food restaurants last only a few months here.
    Even my in shape gay friends will deride a restaurant for having 'small portions'

    4. The lowest literacy rate in US is Florida. It is easier to point to a picture of a Big Mac than to order something healthy.

    I thought the lowest literacy rate was in Mississippi, or Alabama, Arkansas, one of those red Republican Southern Gulf states?

    Bike riding is indeed very dangerous down here in Florida (on the Vespa scooter, too). I've pedaled in memorial rides for those bicyclists killed by motorists.

    But it changes nothing. Florida Republicans think traffic is good for their bottom line, so traffic laws are seldom enforced. What Republicans did for the US banking industry, they do locally here in Florida for driving: it's every man for himself, and too bad for the losers. Welcome to life in a Red State.
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    Mar 21, 2009 9:22 PM GMT
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    Red_Vespa said Let the fat ones wallow in the mess they have created for themselves; they will find no sympathy from me. You are fat because you made yourself fat, and I see no reason I should offer you either sympathy, nor pay for you to support your indulgence. Let you expire, and trouble us no more.

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebus.

    You live in Wilton Manors; do you not see the freakishly fat women who hog the electric shopping carts at the Publix at Five Points? And I take a 1-legged gay friend in there, who can't get around by himself, and there are no handicapped carts left, because of the fatties, and I've gotta navigate him down the aisles past these gross elephants? Save your displeasure for them, not for me...