worst feeling in the world is to feel you are easily replaceable at work

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    Mar 21, 2009 6:16 PM GMT
    I'm trying to make this post not sound like a whine, here goes,

    For the past few months I've been trying to climb the ladder of the wonderful world of tending bar *(ie bartending). I applied as a bar back to a gay club, and got the position right away but due to staff coverage being steady, I only got training and posted as 'backup barback'. Until then, I get to to work at the door to stamp/check ID's.

    Yesterday, some twink 22 year old who has less than 8.5 mo combined barback and bartending experience got hired from a different bar. There was no bartending position open, nor anything announced. The barbacks were pretty pissed as they work 8 hour of sweat and grime, and some have done it for years, only to have their shot at climbing the internal career ladder shot down.

    It made me really upset, and I really felt like it's such a waste of time to try to climb the ladder. At the same time, I feel like I need this experience and I should keep my mouth shut, let unfair be unfair and when I finally move to San Diego in June, I should apply as barback and continue climbing it, let the weak die and the strong go on...

    It's such a sad feeling to wake up in the morning to realizing that you are just another pawn in a fast game of chess.



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    Mar 21, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    Get used to it. From a managers view, nearly everyone is easily replaced. Everyone isn't a "special snowflake". And in this economy there's enough people looking for jobs . . . All I can say is show up on time and try to show some enthusiasm, even if you aren't feeling . Is your life long goal really to work your way up to a bartender in a gay club?
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    Mar 21, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    Matterych said Is your life long goal really to work your way up to a bartender in a gay club?




    Absolutely, it's a great job to have while enrolled in grad school. Even if I wasn't doing something on the side, it's still a fast paced and rewarding experience, why look down on it?
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    Mar 21, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    Like other industries and professions, it's all about who you know and now what you know. My guess is that the newbie had a friend of a friend that hooked him up with the job. Or perhaps the hiring manager has a thing for 22 year old twinks?

    Whatever the situation, take this as a learning experience. Don't be bitter or angry. And don't burn bridges. You'll come out the better man.

    You should definitely move down to San Diego. The weather is better! icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 21, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    did you tell your manager that you want to be barback? people often make the mistake of not driving their careers, your boss may think you do a great job on the door and not want to move you because your good at it.

    what have you done to differentiate yourself ? Have you asked why the new guy was hired? he may know someone or sought out working in your club. you can only worry about you and not what someone else gets/achieves, be positive when you talk to your boss, never ever point out what someone else has gotten, it will make you look unprofessional.
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    Mar 21, 2009 9:49 PM GMT
    Yep, I already told 'em that I want to advance and climb the ladder, but they don't know that I'm leaving for SD in June, so either way....


    the 22 year old is very cute, no doubt, and he is on very good terms with one the ex-manager, who still works at the club as a promoter. Really I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of ethics and just go with the flow.


    Thanks for the input, sometimes it's better to not feel alone in the whole process, and I had to get it out in the open, better I do it here than at work.

    I'll just put on a smile and go with it icon_smile.gif


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    Mar 21, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    oceanboy11 said
    Matterych said Is your life long goal really to work your way up to a bartender in a gay club?




    Absolutely, it's a great job to have while enrolled in grad school. Even if I wasn't doing something on the side, it's still a fast paced and rewarding experience, why look down on it?


    if its just a job to have while enrolled in grad school, i wouldnt sweat it too much. if this were your lifelong dream that you wanted to do the rest of your life, then this would be somewhat problematic.

    no doubt frustrating either way... but i guess what it comes down is that there really isnt a "corporate ladder" when it comes to gay bartending
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    Mar 21, 2009 10:39 PM GMT
    Oceanboy--I think its very cool you enjoy bartending and I'm sure you take pride in it. Definitley keep your head up man and keep going.

    I totally understand the feeling of easily being replaced. I work in the hotel industry as an auditor and its the same way..icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 21, 2009 10:43 PM GMT
    Do some tricks! "Cocktail" it up baby! That's what works for me.
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    Mar 22, 2009 2:26 AM GMT


    Huh, sorry you're getting the gears Oceanboy11!

    Could this be a gay version of the "Hooters factor"? Meaning that for some establishments a gay bartender with a certain look and pose and behavior wins over one that's less performer/eye candy/entertainer etc , instead focused on doing the best job?
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    Mar 22, 2009 9:31 AM GMT
    yeah, if I sounded jealous over the twink, it came out wrong, I am saddened by the lack of morals within my working environment, the twink was just the physical manifestation of the situation. I have nothing with or against him.

    I talked to the bar backs and they are cutting their hours in protest, which means I am getting more, which, is what i wanted. Go figure, things work out my way without me wanting them to.

    Problem resolved? No, but I've learned to keep my mouth shut, and second to realize that good things can still come out of bad, lemonade story.

    Thanks for listening guys, and talking icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 22, 2009 9:34 AM GMT
    Absolutely everybody is replaceable, everybody. Even the President of the USA. Adventually we die, and are replaced.
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    Mar 22, 2009 11:08 AM GMT
    Some employers are terrible at managing their employees. I never could figure out why you would want to piss off good workers. Once you have a bad employee to handle (and I have had a couple) it makes the good ones seem very special indeed.
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    Mar 22, 2009 2:04 PM GMT
    oceanboy11 saidI'm trying to make this post not sound like a whine, here goes,

    For the past few months I've been trying to climb the ladder of the wonderful world of tending bar *(ie bartending). I applied as a bar back to a gay club, and got the position right away but due to staff coverage being steady, I only got training and posted as 'backup barback'. Until then, I get to to work at the door to stamp/check ID's.

    Yesterday, some twink 22 year old who has less than 8.5 mo combined barback and bartending experience got hired from a different bar. There was no bartending position open, nor anything announced. The barbacks were pretty pissed as they work 8 hour of sweat and grime, and some have done it for years, only to have their shot at climbing the internal career ladder shot down.

    It made me really upset, and I really felt like it's such a waste of time to try to climb the ladder. At the same time, I feel like I need this experience and I should keep my mouth shut, let unfair be unfair and when I finally move to San Diego in June, I should apply as barback and continue climbing it, let the weak die and the strong go on...

    It's such a sad feeling to wake up in the morning to realizing that you are just another pawn in a fast game of chess.



    The situation you describe happens in the bar world alot, and more often than not sexual favors are involved. Just my view on shit I've seen.
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    Mar 22, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
    Hunter9 said no doubt frustrating either way... but i guess what it comes down is that there really isnt a "corporate ladder" when it comes to gay bartending

    Reading the top of the thread I wanted to say, "It's a just a gay bar, it's not Goldman Sachs," and then it occurred to me that they aren't entirely unlike!
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    Mar 22, 2009 2:52 PM GMT
    these things happen when you're working a job and not a career. career professionals are less replaceable- there's just more expertise and experience and investment there. but yeah, anything a college kid could hold as a summer job will have that kind of thing.
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    Mar 23, 2009 6:53 AM GMT
    Well, on the one hand I've actually enjoyed jobs while I've been in school that I know I am just a replaceable grunt. Although it sucks to get fired or have your hours cut, there is definitely something to be said for having a job that you just clock in, do, and clock out. When I'm in school it's nice not to have a career job burdening my already stressful schedule/life.

    There are also plenty of things you can do in any job to attain security or get ahead. Attitude is huge, stay positive at work no matter how shitty any part of your life is. It carries over to those around you, and especially in customer service/entertainment a good attitude and happy appearance puts the customers at ease. Also, do something to make yourself stand out and BECOME indispensable. I like what Chaaxwvn said, become an entertainer, and become an employee customers know by name. The word will get to management if customers remember or talk about you specifically, and management will start to remember you more when it's time for promotions.

    However, since you said you are planning on leaving anyway, in this case I don't think you have much room to be angry. It would be extremely unfair of you to push for a promotion then just quit soon after. The employer might end up turning down someone else who would be really good at the job and really needs it. Although you might think the employer has a duty to respect your abilities and reward you, you must also respect the employer. You should earn promotions not only in order get them, but also after you are promoted continue to display that the employer made the right choice.
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    Mar 23, 2009 7:52 AM GMT
    agreed!!