What can be done to help stop the spread of HIV?

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    Mar 25, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
    What do you think can be done to help prevent the spread of HIV?

    My idea?

    A ten minute HIV test that can be purchased over the counter as easily as a pregnancy test. It would be a mouth swab kit, and the results would show within 10-20 minutes.

    How many of us here wouldn't use such a test on anyone we were intending to sleep with?

    What worries me more, is why isn't this already available? Do they make too much money on the sale of hiv related drugs? Probably!
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    Mar 25, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    to ask that to someone can be awkward though.... anyway I doubt this test/idea will be 100% accurate, so still the best way to stop the spread of HVI is to protect the man downstairs with a rubber force field.
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    Mar 25, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    Of course, that test is not entirely reliable.

    Research came out a few months ago (the citations for which are at home, buried in my RSS feed reader) that suggested that the oral test was not as reliable as a blood test.

    But the biggest problem is that I could get HIV right now and it wouldn't show up on any test for months.

    This, of course, is just as test for HIV and not for the thousand other infections you could get from unprotected sex. Really, the most effective and safe option is already widely available. It is called a condom.

    Play safe.
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    Mar 25, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidCondoms have been around for decades. They don't seem to be working.


    That is the thing. In this country, everyone knows condoms prevent the spread of STI's. Almost everyone is very aware of the risks. The problem is not one of technology (including the oral test) but one of culture. Our culture celebrates risk takers and fetishizes them.

    After America confronted AIDS (instead of Regan's ignoring it) condoms were mandatory sex equipment. But those squeaky clean 90's there was a bareback backlash. Now, bareback porn is the single largest selling genera in the gay porn industry. By far. Risk gets us hard again just as fear deflated us in the 80's.

    So, I think the way we have to approach this problem is very differently than putting a testing kit in every home, bath, and toilet. The problem is culture, and we need a cultural solution.
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    Mar 25, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidCondoms have been around for decades. They don't seem to be working.


    Exactly - which means people either don't like using them, or they split/are not as effective as we would like.

    Btw, the test I suggested does not exist yet - I'm talking about the possibility of a 100% accurate (or thereabouts) test... why hasn't one been developed yet? I'm quite sure that if they put enough time and energy into it they could do it.

    Maybe they haven't realised they could make a lot more $$$ out of it! icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Mar 25, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
    Minimize your risk by using condoms.

    Unprotected anal sex is considered risky for HIV, with unprotected oral sex still being considered low risk. People, like yours truly, did contract HIV through oral sex. This can happen via pre-cum getting into the bloodstream via a cut or sore in the mouth.
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    Mar 25, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
    Krazy,

    I see what you are saying now. This test though better cover HIV's little friends like gonorrhea and chlamydia too otherwise condoms are still the best bet. Also, I am not certain if people are unwilling to wear a condom would be willing to take a ten minute test. We have a fetish for risk, and a test doesn't fit in with that. But hey, if you do make this test available, it would be a great tool to help combat STI's.

    MMtM,

    It is definatly a cultural problem around the world. I just can go on about American culture better than I can African or Chinese cultures.
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    The abolishment of abstinance teaching. The Pope taking back that he declared that condoms do not prevent Hiv. The new condom that I heard about a month or so ago that is made for women but guys can put it in their ass. I'm sure I'll think of more.

    As far as Hiv medications go I know of one drug that a 30 day supply will cost you about $1,300 dollars. That's right. One thousand and three hundred dollars. You have the pharmacies and the insurance companies making too much money for them to care about a cure.
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    What can be done? Not much. It's up the individual. The information is out there. You'd have to be living under a rock (certainly in the western world) to not know how HIV is transmitted - or how to protect yourself.

    The problem with an in-home test is simple. Unless the test can detect an immediate infection, it's useless. You might hook up with someone who contracted HIV a few days ago and the test will show that he's negative. Better to not put so much focus on testing, but rather practicing safe sex because that's the only *true* way to prevent the spread.
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    the first question I ask is are you HIV Poz, or neg, being Hiv Neg at 41, I have always been with someone more then 4 years in a "monogamous" relationship. and currently involved with someone that is Hiv Neg.

    I believe in being Open & Honest ! with all issues. its just easy and drama free, worry free.

    Just be and play safe. and yes I agree with the 10 min Hiv test,
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
    Condoms are a great way to prevent the spread of HIV. They "don't work" because people refuse to use them.

    I know so many guys who say that HATE condoms. There is plenty of literature out there about the growing number of people who think ultimate intimacy is condom free.

    Suggested readings:
    Je bonde donc je suis
    Serial Fucker: journal d'un barebacker
    Unlimited Intimacy: Reflections on the subculture of barebacking



    They all chronicle this odd phenomenon of solution and rejection. While condoms are not 100% effective, they are a good solution, it is just we choose not to use them.

  • Bunjamon

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    Mar 25, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    There is a rapid blood test that takes about 60 seconds to show results. At my university's clinic they are going to get them and start charging $15 for people to get tested. But as others have already mentioned, there's a 3-month window between being exposed to the virus and it showing up on the test. Also, a quick test like this might encourage people to engage in risker sexual practices, because they belive that they're negative when they in fact aren't.

    The solution? Don't stick your dick into everything that moves. Don't have sex with people who's name you don't know. And ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS wear a condom until you're in a monogamous relationship (and even then, you have to be sure it's actually monogamous, so if one partner cheats he doesn't have to fear being dumped by his boyfriend if he tells him that they need to go back to using condoms).
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:08 PM GMT
    oral tests have been found to be inaccurate and give a relatively high number of false positives. my clinic actually stopped using them as have others. additionally if the tests are not administered correctly they can give false results just as pregnancy tests often give false results. this can lead to people doing horrible things (can you say suicide) when they get back a positive result (there is a reason you get counseled when you take an hiv test. and just because you test negative doesnt mean you are negative condoms are still a must, so hey lets just use condoms wow I must be a genius
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
    Krazy saidWhat do you think can be done to help prevent the spread of HIV?

    My idea?

    A ten minute HIV test that can be purchased over the counter as easily as a pregnancy test. It would be a mouth swab kit, and the results would show within 10-20 minutes.

    How many of us here wouldn't use such a test on anyone we were intending to sleep with?

    What worries me more, is why isn't this already available? Do they make too much money on the sale of hiv related drugs? Probably!


    i really don't see how what you are advising will have any great impact on the transmission of the virus.
    here in the us currently, at any health clinic , you can get a free anonymous hiv test that takes no more than 30mins. how many guys avail themselves of this service?
    No, the answer is not more testing - seems to me the answer needs to be a change of heart, individual responsibility and self love and respect. after the 80s and 90s there has now been enough info disseminated to everyone, in at least the developed world to prohibit the transmission. yet what are men doing? totally ignoring the info and as a matter of fact there's even a fetishizing of the virus by some amongst us.

    - practicing safe sex, monogamy would have to be the order of the day for reduction in transmission

    On the other hand, perhaps we just wait for hiv to mutate and decimate our numbers once again. at least when it has done that, there would be fewer to pass it around: but at least we will have the gov't to blame. coz the gods forbid we ever take personal responsibilityicon_exclaim.gif

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    Mar 25, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidCastration, perhaps?

    Any radical procedure that prevents men from wanting to whore it up?

    Condoms have been around for decades. They don't seem to be working.


    (They've actually been around for centuries, but that's not the point.)

    Problem is a fair amount of people don't seem to be using them. Overseas, especially in Africa and India, the problem is severe poverty; in China, the problem is lack of sexual education (sex is EXTREMELY taboo and never discussed); otherwise, cultural factors come into play such as Catholic aversion to birth control, "condoms are emasculating" etc. Here in the states, the single largest problem among heterosexuals, especially blacks, is the "emasculating" issue, and among homosexuals, the problem is the hedonist pigs who like getting cream up their crack.

    Another option, of course, is total abstinence, but we all know that ain't gonna work.

    You could take the "polio vaccine approach", test everyone infected, and have them euthanized. Follow up with yearly tests, eliminating all infected, until HIV is eradicated. A less radical approach would be castration.

    Take your pick: condoms or die. LOL!
  • zakariahzol

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    Mar 25, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    Just say no to barebacking (anal or oral). I carry condom in my suitcase even to work. You dont know when temptation might strike. Condom and lube come with little package you can conviniencely carry. Minimize the risk not the sex
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidJust say no to barebacking (anal or oral). I carry condom in my suitcase even to work. You dont know when temptation might strike. Condom and lube come with little package you can conviniencely carry. Minimize the risk not the sex


    ^If only the rest of humanity could be so practical!! I've been doing all that since I started playing around and I don't see why the rest of us can't do the same.
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:56 PM GMT

    It kills me when people say they only suffer through condom use because they don't want to get AIDS. Hello, what about all the other things you can get without a condom (disregarding gunk all over your dick)? HepC and Herpes spring to mind but getting any STD sucks. The condom whining erks me, it's only a good idea to minimize high risk sex. These people should either stop the risky sex or stop bitching.

    A HIV test before sex, it would kinda dampen the mood. This isn't the same thing, but I had to give a guy a shower before sex once because he ....must of forgotten his that night, but the sex really suffered after that. I felt like his caretaker more than his sexual partner, anyway, suffice to say, I think administering a saliva test would serve to make any man feel like a nurse if administering a bath could.

    It sounds a little like fantasy though, high risk people do not often let enough time pass between their sexual encounters for this test to be very accurate. Not to generalize, but I'm thinking back to the bar flies I saw on an STD show once: a different partner every night they went out to the gay bar, sometimes more than one.
    If people don't like how condoms feel, terminal AIDS is an awful way to go....dudn't feel good neither.

    I had an idea to control the spread of the disease, but it sounded to nazi-ish too even utter. It involved anti - suppressants.

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    Mar 25, 2009 9:31 PM GMT
    Brain cell implants would be the best solution..
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    Mar 25, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidI carry condom in my suitcase even to work.


    You carry a suitcase to workicon_exclaim.gificon_question.gificon_exclaim.gificon_question.gif

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    Mar 25, 2009 10:04 PM GMT
    rezdylan said
    zakariahzol saidI carry condom in my suitcase even to work.


    You carry a suitcase to workicon_exclaim.gificon_question.gificon_exclaim.gificon_question.gif

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    hes gotta keep his backup jumbo vib somewhere
  • zakariahzol

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    Mar 25, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
    Sorry, I mean those little beg that I put my file and cell phone in. It 4 am in the morning , guys.
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    Mar 25, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
    If the test was 99% reliable - and could be purchased inexpensively over the counter, would you use it?

    I would use it AND still use a condom even if it came back negative.

    I don't think I would sleep with anyone who had HIV, even with a condom, as that would be too big a risk too, for me anyway.
  • metta

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    Mar 25, 2009 10:43 PM GMT
    None of these are the answer but I think that it could help:

    - Encourage monogamy. The less number of people you are with, the lower your risk, even if you practice safer sex. I think that building healthy long term monogamous relationships is a good thing not only physically, but emotionally as well.

    - Discourage treating other people as if they are just bodies to be used for your own pleasure.


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    Mar 25, 2009 10:45 PM GMT
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