4% ? go F yourself.

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    Mar 25, 2009 7:13 PM GMT

    This was a discussion in a gay group, some says that there is a study claim that gays are only 4% of the people. I don't know who is the homophobe that is trying to prove that we are extraordinary and phenomenal, and therefore a rare disease ..

    (the common belief is that it's 5%-15% )

    But I say , Fuck the studies, look around and you'll see that gays are invading our straight planet.. I never felt that there is a lack in gay guys, they are everywhere, in all colours and tastes.

    If I was to decide I'd say they are 30% ..

    What do you think?

  • rnch

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    Mar 25, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    in the part of new orleans where i live it's more like 92% gay. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    rnch saidin the part of new orleans where i live it's more like 92% gay. icon_biggrin.gif


    how lucky you are ... in the university I'm in there are only 82.3% gays
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Mar 25, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    I would say there maybe 5% openly gay people. But I think the percentage of gays that are not out is much higher.
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    Mar 25, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez saidI would say there maybe 5% openly gay people. But I think the percentage of gays that are not out is much higher.


    Exactly, that's why there is no way to accurately caculate the gay percentage.. That's what one of the coming out benifits, to show people that we are there...
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:14 PM GMT
    GHoSTic said
    This was a discussion in a gay group, some says that there is a study claim that gays are only 4% of the people. I don't know who is the homophobe that is trying to prove that we are extraordinary and phenomenal, and therefore a rare disease ..

    (the common belief is that it's 5%-15% )

    But I say , Fuck the studies, look around and you'll see that gays are invading our straight planet.. I never felt that there is a lack in gay guys, they are everywhere, in all colours and tastes.

    If I was to decide I'd say they are 30% ..

    What do you think?



    Up to 6 months ago, I would have said 4% was about right. But the number of married men that have come onto me over the last 6 months.... I would say the figure has to be in the double digits
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    It's fear of a gay planet and there's more than 1 scaredy cat on this website.
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:23 PM GMT
    At the end of the day. It really doesn't matter to me.

    I am still me, and one.
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:24 PM GMT
    rnch saidin the part of new orleans where i live it's more like 92% gay. icon_biggrin.gif

    Marigny or quarter? Algiers may only be 10%.icon_cry.gif
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    I think it's a believable estimate of those who are exclusively attracted to the same sex, I also think thst's consistent with what Kinsey concluded.

    My question: why are you upset? 5% of 300 million = 15 million of us, mostly concentrated mostly in a few cities,
  • zakariahzol

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    Mar 25, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    Thats true gay is everywhere. Only a fraction have the ball to admit it. Most of them suppressed their feeling, pretending to be straight and married with children. Even in my work place I suspected a few of those happy married guys are gay. Just the way they react when they saw good looking guys, you know closetted case. Brokeback marriage kinda stuff
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:36 PM GMT
    Someone said :" it doesn't matter even if it's only a one guy, as long as he's hot and with me".. selfish .. lol

    I'm just saying, not considering only the exclusively gay guys, sexuality isn't math. it's varied ... I meant the guys that can be attracted to other guys regardless to their attraction to women.. no we can reach 30% or more ..
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    Mar 25, 2009 8:56 PM GMT
    GHoSTic said
    This was a discussion in a gay group, some says that there is a study claim that gays are only 4% of the people. I don't know who is the homophobe that is trying to prove that we are extraordinary and phenomenal, and therefore a rare disease ..



    I'd have to know the context it was brought up in to be sure, but believing gays make up 4% of the population, doesn't seem homophobic. 4% is a lot. For instance, red heads only make up 1 - 2 % of the world's population. I think it's even only around 5% here in the US.

    4% isn't rare.

    In all honesty, I don't really care how many people are gay, as long as I'm treated equally.
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:06 PM GMT
    I'd have to see the actual study, but it probably depends mostly on how they are defining "gay." 4% might be the number of completely homosexual and out men. Since I assume that the study is based on some sort of survey, there's a huge built in bias right there. I'd tend to average obvious underestimates like this (probably a little homophobia there) with pro-gay studies which are probably over-estimates.

    The big problem with these studies is that we are still trapped in this either-or mentality, and a lot of guys at either end of the spectrum don't want to be classified and labeled.

    There needs to be some kind of study where the participants are asked how many women they've had sexual encounters with, and how many men. Then we can place each person along a continuum and get a nice sexuality distribution between 100% homosexual and 100% heterosexual. We could also do something along the lines of give each participant pictures of 50 men and 50 women, and ask them to separate those which they find sexually attractive, then we'd have the same proportion, without the bias of guys acting more on straight than gay impulses. Obviously this still has the HUGE assumption of honesty, but hey it would be closer than "Check the first box for gay, the second for straight" (I'm making a big assumption about the simplicity of this survey ;) ).
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
    Mycro said
    GHoSTic said
    This was a discussion in a gay group, some says that there is a study claim that gays are only 4% of the people. I don't know who is the homophobe that is trying to prove that we are extraordinary and phenomenal, and therefore a rare disease ..



    I'd have to know the context it was brought up in to be sure, but believing gays make up 4% of the population, doesn't seem homophobic. 4% is a lot. For instance, red heads only make up 1 - 2 % of the world's population. I think it's even only around 5% here in the US.

    4% isn't rare.

    In all honesty, I don't really care how many people are gay, as long as I'm treated equally.


    4% is rare, it's not the quantity, it's the ratio..
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:08 PM GMT
    Oh, and even at 4% we are still a big minority. However, size of the minority shouldn't matter when it comes to freedoms and equality under the law, even the smallest minority matters (the individual).
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:10 PM GMT
    I would say about 15% of the population sounds about right
  • dionysus

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    Mar 25, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    i think we need to have code signs. i suggest the VW emblem.
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    here is the statistic i personally love to seeicon_smile.gifhttp://mixbrasil.uol.com.br/mp/upload/noticia/13_180_71884.shtml Rio - 19% of men had sex with other men, San Paulo - 9% etc
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
    Another way to frame it is to reference stats for other groups. If 4% doesn't seem 'very high' or 'low enough to deserve marginalization':

    The Jewish population makes up 2.5% of the US population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews#Population
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    andymatic saidAnother way to frame it is to reference stats for other groups. If 4% doesn't seem 'very high' or 'low enough to deserve marginalization':

    The Jewish population makes up 2.5% of the US population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews#Population


    So .. we need to find a cure for this .. lol
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidI would say about 15% of the population sounds about right


    ...and in the Castro District of SF, 100% sounds right.

    What sounds right doesn't matter. icon_surprised.gif

    As others have pointed out, there's a difference between behavior and self-characterization.

    If 10% of males claim that for three years of their lives they had exclusively gay sex, that doesn't mean that they are gay.

    To me, to be gay is to exclusively be able to have sex with men, but not with women. I could not have a hard on with a woman.

    To me, if you can get hard on with a woman and with a man, you are not exclusively homosexual. You are BI.

    So what? It doesn't matter. The issue is not who is exclusively gay or not.

    The issue is whether it's anyone's business whom we choose to have sex with.

    Worrying about statistics sidetracks us.
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    Mar 25, 2009 9:31 PM GMT
    caspervann saidi think we need to have code signs. i suggest the VW emblem.

    Fahrvergnugen!
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    Mar 25, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    the 10% was never an accurate figure.. it´s more urban myth

    Sigh. ....

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    Mar 25, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    We will never know, but if you look at the entire population of 6.7 billion around the world, and if there were no social taboos against same sex relations, then the # of gay and bi-sexual men would likely be in the hundreds of millions.

    Let us say the # of men in the world is 3.3 billion, even just 5% of that number is 165 million. Including bisexuals the number is likely closer to 8-10%.

    Until recently most gay men got married and had kids, and nobody was the wiser (on my softball team alone there are two men older then 40 that have adult children).

    The 1990s was the first decade in the Western countries that same sex relationships became acceptable or tolerable to a large number of straights.