Sugar

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    Oct 23, 2007 1:13 PM GMT

    What is the total number grams of sugar that is safe for the human body to metabolize before converting into fat?

    I alreadu know what the total number of grams of fat are.

    In reading the food labels there seem to be a LOT of sugar in foods these days.

    The average number being around 25 to 28 grams of sugar per serving in some other wise health foods and drinks. This includes fruit smoothies from the so-call healthy juice bars!

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  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 23, 2007 9:01 PM GMT
    I don't have an answer to your question, but I agree with you. There is way too much sugar in food. There are certain food that I can not understand why there is any sugar in it at all.

    Mike
  • Alan95823

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    Oct 23, 2007 9:07 PM GMT
    Easiest way I've found to avoid sugar is to not eat food you don't prepare yourself.

    But that's kind of extreme for most people. I do know (from obsessive label reading) that lots of foods advertised as sugar-free or low-fat alternatives are usually higher in sodium than I'm comfortable eating, so I try to stay away from pre-made foods entirely.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 23, 2007 9:30 PM GMT
    I would have to agree with you Alan. Also alot of those foods that are advertised as sugar free usually have something worse in them to replace the sugar.

    I wish I had time to prepare all my food myself.
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    Oct 23, 2007 9:55 PM GMT
    As I understand things, everything turns to sugar after we eat it. Stuff that's already sugar causes spikes which throws insulin production out of whack, hurts the liver or kidneys or the penis or something. I have a sweet tooth. To satisfy it, I try to eat stuff that's fruit sweetened, no added refined sugars. I once thought by switching to honey, I was doing myself a favor. Not so, not really, maybe a little.
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    Oct 24, 2007 6:57 AM GMT
    I try to avoid processed foods as much as possible, but when I do buy them, I look for those with little or no added sugar. Many foods have sugars that naturally occur in them, which is also a part of the total grams of sugar on the nutrition label, but I don't worry about them as much as I worry about the added sugars... and I'm a fanatic about reading the ingredient labels as well as the nutrition panels on food.

    I never buy or consume anything with aspartame (NutraSweet) in it because after about a week of consuming that stuff, it starts to cause joint problems which I don't have when I avoid the aspartame. Usually I'll go with Splenda or Stevia herb when I need a sweetener.
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    Oct 24, 2007 7:52 AM GMT
    I don't think everything metabolizes to sugar, just carbohydrates. Most carbs are variations of extremely complex sugars. This includes starch, breads, potatoes etc. Some carbs are so complex that to break them down to a sugar requires as much energy as you get from the sugar and so there is a neutral or even sometimes a negative net.

    Of breakdownable carbs or direct sugars, i think it is around 20 to 30 grams a day before you will metabolize them as fat. This is obviously dependent upon the amount of excercise you are doing and your metabolic rate.

    Harder to breakdown carbs you can take in more. This includes broccoli or quite a lot of green vegetables (chlorophyll is a very complex sugar also). IIRC, strawberries are a negative callory food but not sure if they are also negative carbs - i think you can eat a lot of them before you get a carb hit.

    I can't remember if proteins or fats are stored as fat but i thought not - maybe someone else can comment on that.

    As many have mentioned, there is far too much sugar in the food we eat. For most it is impractical to prepare all our own food but i have adopted a process where i try only to eat food i can recognise i.e. not anything processed.
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    Oct 24, 2007 9:21 AM GMT
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    Oct 24, 2007 10:02 AM GMT
    Now, now. My sweet penis might be to die for, but, it never killed anyone. icon_twisted.gif
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    Oct 24, 2007 10:54 AM GMT
    You have amino acids, fats, and sugars, when all is said and done.

    The question is unanswerable in any qualified fashion, however, it's all about insulin management, with regard to how fat gets stored. Bodybuilders manipulate this stuff all the time. It's all science.

    In a nutshell, there are times when you want fast sugars (high glycemic index)...let's say post workout when you need and want, and it works best to upload glycogen. However.... there are times you don't want high insulin and fast sugar...say..after a fattie meal. Eating fried chicken, then...eating chocolate cake, is a sure-fire recipe to become a fat pig.

    In time of low carbs, your body will catabolize muscle (protein and water) to convert it to glucose (blood sugar) to keep your brain working. That's why fat folks train their bodies to become fat storing machines. The saying goes...you have to fuel the furnace (metabolic activation) to burn fat effectively, and it's true. Endless hours of cardio, and starvation...will cause your body to become a fat-storing machine like no other (the famine response, it's called).

    In general, a high fiber, moderate carbohydrate, moderate protein diet is good for most folks, but, may not be for some folks. To really understand all of it requires knowing your own body, and activities, and age, hormone levels, and a large number of variables. There is no SIMPLE answer (like my most things). Low glycemic index carbs, promote stable blood sugar levels, and better insulin management, which mean you have less of a tendency to put on fat, unless you're starving, in which case it goes the other way.

    It's generally believed that you need around 75 grams of carbs per day for your brain function to work properly. I know folks who will go to a zero carb diet, but, I think that's nuts..they usually don't think straight.

    If I'm eating to gain, I may pull on upwards of 800 grams of carbs a day, or more. Carbs drive insulin, and carbs are your preferred energy source for atp synthesis. Insulin is the most anabolic hormone there is and, properly harnessed, is what makes the "beasts" of the biggest of the big. Contest diet, I'll pull my carbs down to as low as 80 per day, BUT, bring my calories up in proteins, and good fat (poly and mono). I get real lean by UPPING my activity level and UPPING my calories. Starvation is a recipe for failure.

    One more thing. Lipids, carbs, and alochol are ALL carbon chains, with varying degrees of density / bonds. Fats are very tightly bound carbon chains with alcohol and carbs being less so.

    In a nutshell everything breaks down to amino acids and carbon chains at the most basic level. I'm NOT a chemist, nor do I have a degree in nutrition...I've just done it for 32 years.

    Most active folks need a few hundred grams of carbs a day, unless they are eating a lot of fat, and their body is ketonic / ketosis and will convert that fat into glucose.

    Lot of fat folks have their diet upside down, instead of right side up: breakfast like a king, dinner like prince; supper like a pauper.

    When I contest diet, I'll keep myself just slightly above ketosis (I use Ketostix, available everywhere), where I can opitmally burn fat into energy, but not be highly catabolic.
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    Oct 24, 2007 1:22 PM GMT
    A steady diet of my sweet penis will do nothing but build muscle.
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    Oct 25, 2007 6:21 PM GMT
    Thank you all for the sage advice and for the comic relife. We can always count on you McGay for that!

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