Intellectual snobs.

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    Mar 27, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    I had of dream last night of something that happened way back in the 80s.

    I was in a bar one night, and there was two young tall good looking men, being very loud and boastful about: They are they gays of tomorrow. They are the ones that are going to have everthing, because of their intellect, they will end up in top jobs, with top pay, and leave all the little people behind. They would rule the world, because there was nothing to stop them. I remember thinking if they were right, there was not going to be any hope for the world.

    Then a number of years latter I seen one of them at a bar, not looking very happy, or confident of his future, he was dying of aids and his mate had done himself in. The future they seen for the intellectual snobs of the gay community was not to come to pass.

    Still I feel sad for these people, all they really had in life to prop themselves up, to feel they are better than anybody else is their intellectual snobbery. If they had more depth, they would see there was many forms of intellect than to be academic.

    I may not be the brightest crayon in the box. But I have a good job. A good lifestyle. I'm at peace with myself, and who I am, and what I am. I'm content to be me, and one. I'm strong enough to stand on my own. Yet I don't have to, because I'm loved.

    I have more depth to me than an intellectual snub, and in many ways my life and lifestyle surpasses theirs, and all they have to put me down is their intellectual snobbery. The Grammar Nazis.

    How terribly sad.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:15 PM GMT
    Yeah, why people have to compete other people all the time, I don't know.

    The irony is that the people striving to be the MOST clever, and MOST attractive, and MOST well paid are normally pretty insecure and unhappy.

    It's that unhappiness that gives the drive to compete with everyone else.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
    I have very little patience for snobs period...beit intellectual or social.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
    there are snobs everywhere.... fitness, social, even dietary ( vegetarians who boast their dietary superiority lol) All these peoples sense of superiority is because they hate something in themselves. Yes your story is sad... but they will always be there unless they want to change and there is not much you can do about it.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:28 PM GMT
    I have to agree.

    While someone who is funny, smart, attractive, and well-off wouldnt turn me off, per say, I would go home with a guy who is nice to everyone any day of the week.

    I think that is the most attractive quality in a man.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    My experiences (which are very little) have showed me that people that talk big of themselves are usually fools. The most successful persons are usually the most low profile.

    They can also become a very dangerous rival (predator never shows its fang to their preys and preys usually show that they are dangerous) icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    Jerks are jerks. But, I don' get a sense of what these people did to you to make you upset.

    That said, I don't know any academics who are rolling in cash. Relative to the level of education they have, academics get paid shit.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    If you hate snobs, then how did you become one?

    Your posts on RJ are overwhelmingly condescending and judgmental. Belittling other groups, and expounding your superiority.

    Even in this post, you are now passing judgment on those who once snubbed you.

    And I know my post, because I had the audacity to contradict you, will result in a highbrow self-righteous reply (just don't send me a personal message again; that was just creepy).

    Don't be a hypocritical snob.

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    Mar 27, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    Snobs = bad
    Good humble intelligent people = good

    Be careful of attacking the intellectual community. Some intellectual snobs have done great things. I believe Francis Crick was snobby at times, and look at what he did.

    Albert Einstein... equally (or perhaps more) intelligent than Crick... yet he seemed to be humble in his genius. Many of the people I admire the most all have Ph.D. or Ed.D. or M.D. at the end of their name; none are snobs.

    I have a feeling many people are threatened by intellectuals and even jealous (I'm not saying anyone specific here). To compensate, they personally attack intellectuals as a whole.

    I will never be as smart as Einstein... but I am okay with that--though, I'd rather have his intelligence than $1,000,000,000.00. Be happy with who you are and your own intelligence. If a snob comes along... intellectual or not... don't give them the time of day.

    But I worry about those who feel defensive around intellectual people and end up demonizing them as a defense mechanism… even though that specific intellectual may not have deserved it. We all have our place in society... and face it, some are smarter than us. But that does not necessarily make them snobby.
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    Mar 27, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
    aw, OP, how.... sadly judgmental of others.

    i agree with naked devil.

    we're all different, and we all harbor pride over what we see as our strengths. don't begrudge others their ambitions, their dreams, and their deserved pride- resent only undeserved hubris- but even then, take it with a grain of salt and move on- they're not doing anything to hurt you. unless you really were wounded deeply by feelings of inadequacy at their hands, and are still smoldering from it- which is how this posts reads; bitter and dripping with hypocritically forced self-righteousness and reverse-snobbery. get over yourself lol
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    Mar 27, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
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    Mar 27, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
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    ... Is it snobbery if you are better?
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    Mar 27, 2009 9:49 PM GMT
    If I could deconstruct you a little bit, Patti, may I suggest your rage at the pedants belies your belief that these two tragic figures got their comeuppance? Maybe you're not merely implying it.

    You've mentioned your dismissal of the Grammar Nazis in the past, on good grounds: that you're a great guy, your thoughts are clear even if your spelling is not, yadda yadda. But this is the first time I've heard you crack; you're actually BETTER than they are, because you haven't died... Because, after all, their snobbery is really arrogance, and their arrogance is really hypocrisy, and their hypocrisy is a death sentence.

    On a certain level (regarding the nitpicking) I've actually cheered for you. I've dug at the scabs of your spelling in the past, and I won't apologize. My thought has been that you're big enough to take it, and that you truly WERE at peace. This story adds a whole new depth to the saga: you've been hurt, and you want to hurt back with this little Aesop Fable. Careful about swatting at mosquitoes with hatchets, Patti. The scent of blood always draws bigger predators.
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    Mar 27, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    A life well used brings a contentment to death!

    If I was to find out I had cancer, I would not make myself ill with treatment. I would ready myself for death.

    When I turn my light off at night. I do so, knowing I have done my best that day. I will die contented, and fulfilled knowing I have truly been loved.
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    Mar 27, 2009 9:56 PM GMT

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    Mar 27, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
    Oh_God saidI had of dream last night of something that happened way back in the 80s.

    I was in a bar one night, and there was two young tall good looking men, being very loud and boastful about: They are they gays of tomorrow. They are the ones that are going to have everthing, because of their intellect, they will end up in top jobs, with top pay, and leave all the little people behind. They would rule the world, because there was nothing to stop them. I remember thinking if they were right, there was not going to be any hope for the world.

    Then a number of years latter I seen one of them at a bar, not looking very happy, or confident of his future, he was dying of aids and his mate had done himself in. The future they seen for the intellectual snobs of the gay community was not to come to pass.

    Still I feel sad for these people, all they really had in life to prop themselves up, to feel they are better than anybody else is their intellectual snobbery. If they had more depth, they would see there was many forms of intellect than to be academic.

    I may not be the brightest crayon in the box. But I have a good job. A good lifestyle. I'm at peace with myself,and who I am,and what I am. I'm content to be me, and one. I'm strong enough to stand on my own. Yet I don't have to, because I'm loved.

    I have more depth to me than an intellectual snub, and in many ways my life and lifestyle surpasses theirs, and all they have to put me down is their intellectual snobbery. The Grammar Nazis.

    How terribly sad.


    So, being snobish and condescending towards so-called "intellectual snobs" makes one what? An illiterate, uneducated snob?

    There are condescending, self-important people of all types, as has been pointed out. Rather than name-calling and pointing fingers, it's probably better to just go about living what you see as the best life possible for yourself.
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
    Certainly there are what could be considered snobs all around us. I think being a snob can be a perception sometimes. You don't pay attention to someone, so they feel you're a snob. Condescending is certainly an indication of snobbery in my book. I think these are the loneliest of people however, their numbers are few, their groups are small and they isolate themselves from others and in times of need, they have no one save their own, who may or may not wish to be their support. Sad? Yes, but we reap what we sow don't we.
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:13 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidCertainly there are what could be considered snobs all around us. I think being a snob can be a perception sometimes. You don't pay attention to someone, so they feel you're a snob. Condescending is certainly an indication of snobbery in my book. I think these are the loneliest of people however, their numbers are few, their groups are small and they isolate themselves from others and in times of need, they have no one save their own, who may or may not wish to be their support. Sad? Yes, but we reap what we sow don't we.

    Listen to the voice of experience ... icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    Don't be such an experience snob Caslon icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
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    Listen to the voice of experience ... icon_wink.gif
    Thank you MunchingZ. I am anything but a snob! A snob would never have lowered himself to just meeting some stranger out on the street (yes, I've done that, haven't I Caslon!). Slut perhaps, but snob, I don't think so! LOL
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
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    eb925guy saidCertainly there are what could be considered snobs all around us. I think being a snob can be a perception sometimes. You don't pay attention to someone, so they feel you're a snob. Condescending is certainly an indication of snobbery in my book. I think these are the loneliest of people however, their numbers are few, their groups are small and they isolate themselves from others and in times of need, they have no one save their own, who may or may not wish to be their support. Sad? Yes, but we reap what we sow don't we.

    Listen to the voice of experience ... icon_wink.gif



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    Mar 27, 2009 10:26 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidDon't be such an experience snob Caslon icon_wink.gif

    I earned that experience snobbery by enduring the experience of dinner with Mr-23rd-St-No-Snobbery-Here-All-Offers-Accepted-Oh-Hell-You-Dont-Even-Have-To-Offer.



    ...I should have gone with the other guy at the hotel ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    While backpacking and hostelling, both here in the UK and around the world, I met and made friends with many people, from all nationalities and from all walks of life. Some of the best friends I made were highly educated intellectuals, including a student medical doctor while up on the slopes of Mount Etna in 1982. On the other hand, I engaged in a hearty conversation with an Irish builder at a hostel in Israel, 1994.
    According to these and many other experiences, being intelligent and well educated does not mean snobbery. When someone shows an interest in me (gay or straight, that's irrelevant) and accepts me as an equal, that is a basis for friendship.
    Earlier this week I watched a program on TV called "The Apprentice". Here, a successful businessman, Alan Sugar, was testing a number of City high fliers on money-spinning tasks, such as cleaning cars, in order to eliminate each contestant, one by one, until the remaining one will be offered a six-figure salaried job. Each contestant looked fiercely arrogant, snobbish, oozing with self confidence, emitting the air of superiority. Just the personality that engenders hatred from the common people, as proved at the commentary panel of the internet blog about the program.
    Yet the most nastiest looking person in that contest, I would like to meet in person, say at a backpackers hostel, or at a bar, and see who he really is,and how he would see a commoner like me.
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    Mar 27, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
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    MunchingZombie saidDon't be such an experience snob Caslon icon_wink.gif

    I earned that experience snobbery by enduring the experience of dinner with Mr-23rd-St-No-Snobbery-Here-All-Offers-Accepted-Oh-Hell-You-Dont-Even-Have-To-Offer.



    ...I should have gone with the other guy at the hotel ... icon_rolleyes.gif
    Ouch! Damn, did you see that other guy! LOL Should have held the door.