Spanish judge accuses Bush officials over torture...Judge says case can be pursued in Spain because of Spanish detainees

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    Mar 29, 2009 4:33 PM GMT
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    •Bush accused of crimes over the Guantanamo Bay detention center

    •Former Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and five others accused

    •Judge says case can be pursued in Spain because of Spanish detainees

    A senior Spanish judge has ordered prosecutors to investigate whether key Bush aides should be charged with crimes over the Guantanamo Bay detention center, a lawyer said Sunday.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/29/gonzales.spain.gitmo/index.html

    I wonder if an action like this by foreigners will compell the Obama administration to move on "war crimes" investigations against Bush administration officials, so that a foreign investigation doesnt get out in front of America taking care of its own house.
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    Mar 29, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    Unfortunately this will go nowhere. In the past the Spanish government has squashed these relatively low-level actions. There's no way the Spanish will confront the US over this. Interesting legal points, but nothing more. Don't get your hopes up over a non-starter.
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    Mar 29, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    Thanks Caslon !!! Wasn't it the Spanish folk who eventually got the Chillian president indicted? This case against bushco is just the beginning, there are a lot of efforts around the world to bring them to justice. Remember we prosecuted the Japanese who waterboarded, why are the US torturers any different?? in the eyes of the rest of the world we are not any different. We may see bushco finding it hard to travel outside the USA especially Rumsfeld, Cheney, Yoo and Bush himself, they asked for it by ignoring time honored treaties, laws and attempting to create a 'law free zone' at Guantonamo outside the jurisdiction of treaties, laws and world conventions on wars. you go Spain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Mar 29, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
    There has been interest shown in America for investigating the activities of the Bush administration.

    Public Supports Investigations of Bush Misdeeds

    "... "Even as Americans struggle with two wars and an economy in tatters, a USA Today/Gallup Poll finds majorities in favor of investigating some of the thorniest unfinished business from the Bush administration: Whether its tactics in the "war on terror" broke the law.

    "Close to two-thirds of those surveyed said there should be investigations into allegations that the Bush team used torture to interrogate terrorism suspects and its program of wiretapping U.S. citizens without getting warrants. Almost four in 10 favor criminal investigations and about a quarter want investigations without criminal charges. One-third said they want nothing to be done."

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/looking-backward/public-supports-investigations.html
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    Mar 29, 2009 7:12 PM GMT
    Eventually these war criminals must be brought to justice
    They are criminals in every sense of the word
    just as much as Milosevich ever was
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    Mar 29, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    GQjock saidEventually these war criminals must be brought to justice
    They are criminals in every sense of the word
    just as much as Milosevich ever was

    Of course they are. But why all the excitement? This is going nowhere.

    Even US Democrats have no stomach for pursuing this in America, and won't endorse international efforts to bring former Bush officials to justice. Such issues are all ultimately political in nature, not purely legal.

    There would be a firestorm from the US conservative Right if the Obama Administration allowed any kind of international prosecutions to touch former Bushies. Let's get real here. Obama can't afford that kind of political distraction and loss of political capital, when his Democratic majority in the US Senate is not filibuster-proof from Republicans.

    Obama has to bite the bullet, and accept that US Repubs will protect their own war criminals at all costs. As RJ Repubs here will blindly defend them, as they have in the past.
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    Mar 30, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
    Red Vespa -- your right Obama cannot afford to get into this !!! I agree, but !!!!! he cannot stop congress, the senate nor the Attorney General from taking on commissions to look into this bullshit bushco pulled, nor if the Attorney General decides to kick loose a indipendent investigation. I love it !!! Obama is smart !!! he is having facts released about these atrocities and standing back to let the separate powers handle it, then his hands are off of it. Do I expect any of bushco to end up prosecuted? nope !!! but I do hope that investigations will go forward so that legislation can come from the facts to put a stop to any future president even thinking of getting away with this shit again !!! Thank you Caslon for bringing up this subject. There are efforts ongoing from several groups two of which are Democrats.com and ACLU to get this going. Leahy has introduced legislation in the Senate to have a truth commission like the 911 commission, and Conyers has legislation with nearly 30 congressman including some repubs signed on in Congress. Both these guys are intent, and have a lot of backing to go forward with investigations and to put an end to it ever happening again through resulting legislation. This much is realistic, getting prosecutions is a reach at best.
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    Mar 30, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    What is done is done. Bush was a horrible president and he has to live with the decisions he made everyday. I honestly feel that we should just let the issues go and move to the future. We should learn from our mistakes and remember we put him in office not once but twice. I didn't vote for the man, but as an American citizen I as well as everyone else should take responsibility for his actions.