Homosexual Movement is Immoral

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    Mar 30, 2009 4:33 AM GMT
    My roommate sent me an article a bit ago, called The Homosexual Movement: A response by the Ramsey Colloquium. He was given this article to study in a psychology class. I just read the article, and I'm kind of upset that I did. Here is a link so you can read if you would like:

    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/RamseyHomosexuality.php

    It is biased, clearly written by someone with firm religious beliefs. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm almost offended he sent this to me. Hope he isn't trying to tell me something. Sorry the article is so long, but it sure is an interesting read.

    Jason
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    Mar 30, 2009 4:37 AM GMT
    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/RamseyHomosexuality.php
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    Mar 30, 2009 4:41 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but I have to move and if I do it in a homosexual way then so bloody be it!
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    Mar 30, 2009 6:08 AM GMT
    if this was required reading in my Psychology course, I'd think about transferring schools. what does this have to do with Psychology except to show it's possible to formulate ideas without the use of logic?
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    Mar 30, 2009 6:12 AM GMT
    Hmm you said he was assigned it? As in like he has to review its themes and the philosophies of its arguments?

    Glancing through it, it basically appears to be one of those faux-intellectual/pseudo-psychological take on the philosophical arguments against homosexuality...

    From an anthropological point of view, it's a very ignorant and ethnocentric piece of work. To start with, they point out that they don't pretend to be a "representative" group of Americans. Most importantly, they start out with a presumption that homosexuality is bad, and that for one, they as heterosexuals can correctly dictate what is proper and right for people not like themselves (See last quote)

    Assumptions they make:

    Christian and Jewish traditions are today monolithic and consistent in their approach to homosexuality.

    That the American civilization is dependent on religion to define its moral and philosophical discourse.

    That "the great majority of Americans have been surprised, puzzled, shocked, and sometimes outraged by this movement for radical change"...

    The only people I know who are confused are conservative Christians.

    That one can separate the sin from the sinner- "To those who say that this disordered behavior is so much at the core of their being that the person cannot be (and should not be) distinguished from the behavior, we can only respond that we earnestly hope they are wrong"

    "Many in our society-both straight and gay-also contend that what people do sexually is entirely a private matter and no one's business but their own. The form this claim takes is often puzzling to many people-and rightly so. For what were once considered private acts are now highly publicized, while, for the same acts, public privilege is claimed because they are private. What is confusedly at work here is an extreme individualism, a claim for autonomy so extreme that it must undercut the common good."


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    Mar 30, 2009 6:16 AM GMT
    Actually, I was going to say that it read like it was fairly out-of-date. Turns out, it is. This is from 2000...you can see some of the old arguments in it that conservatives used to trot out every time they talked about "the gays" like AIDS, promiscuity, drugs etc.
    Probably about half if not 3/4 of their arguments wouldn't hold water anywhere outside of a Theology Department. (And certainly not within an Anthropology one) Most statistics they cite are either out of date or are extremely biased interpretations.
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    Mar 30, 2009 9:28 AM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidif this was required reading in my Psychology course, I'd think about transferring schools. what does this have to do with Psychology except to show it's possible to formulate ideas without the use of logic?


    Very wise thought. Unless your his prof wants to compare APAs' policies with religious biases... I'd be concerned about your roomate and what his prof is teaching. It may be a campus-wide thing too.

    I didn't read the article. But since there were not citations, and all the authors/contributors were religious... I'd say its a weeee bit bias.


    TRASH IT and tell your friend what you did with the article.
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    Mar 30, 2009 12:59 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREOrthodoxyToday.org is an online journal that examines social and moral problems that affect American society. It features authors who write on cultural issues within a Judeo/Christian moral framework and analyze social and moral issues with particular clarity and depth. American society needs moral renewal.


    You should be wary of any writer who uses the phrases "moral clarity" or "Judeo-Christian" in an argumentative piece. By "moral clarity," this organization really means to say that any strain of thought related to postmodernism, multiculturalism, liberalism, or basically any post-60s philosophy (including ALL openly gay people) do not have such clarity and are therefore immoral. By "Judeo-Christian" they mean "God-fearing" and refer to people who live their lives according to what their God says will send them to Hell and not for their own happiness in this life. I gotta admit it makes me a little nauseous to read something where gay people are treated as such a foreign entity whose right to exist and form relationships openly is still in question. Have the writers not been to a major city in the last 30 years? Yikes...
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    Mar 30, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    Oh wow, I'm apart of a movement they say! Now don't I feel special!
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    Mar 30, 2009 2:46 PM GMT
    Best-case scenario is that the college professor offered this reading to see if his students would detect the very flaws we're discussing here. Sometimes a bad example can make a good point, by highlighting its defects.

    As for why roomie sent this, perhaps an FYI thing, nothing more. He does know you're gay, right?
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    Mar 30, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
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    Pity that ignorance and stupidity don't fall under the "immoral" umbrella.
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    Mar 31, 2009 3:47 AM GMT
    I got one i got one...

    Tell your roomate you were reading the article while taking a shit and you ran out of toilet paper. So.... you used the article to wipe your ass and couldn't finish reading the rest of it!

    ***Snare Drum-Cymbal Crash***
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    Mar 31, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
    spacinjasin saidMy roommate sent me an article a bit ago, called The Homosexual Movement: A response by the Ramsey Colloquium. He was given this article to study in a psychology class. I just read the article, and I'm kind of upset that I did. Here is a link so you can read if you would like:

    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/RamseyHomosexuality.php

    It is biased, clearly written by someone with firm religious beliefs. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm almost offended he sent this to me. Hope he isn't trying to tell me something. Sorry the article is so long, but it sure is an interesting read.

    Jason


    Okay lol...

    I'm in AP Psychology and we talked about Homosexuality IN DEPTH, but we always put it all in an either neutral or relatively positive light...

    What school does your friend go to?

    Because mine is in the bay area so it probably has a much more liberal approach to things that other schools...
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    Mar 31, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    brianstephens said

    Okay lol...

    I'm in AP Psychology and we talked about Homosexuality IN DEPTH, but we always put it all in an either neutral or relatively positive light...

    What school does your friend go to?

    Because mine is in the bay area so it probably has a much more liberal approach to things that other schools...


    I was under the impression it was a college course... Anyways

    What do they teach about gays in AP psych these days?
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:18 AM GMT
    Uh yeah it was I guess, but AP is equivalent to college level, and you get a year's worth of college credit for doing it.

    They taught that being homosexual is actually a physical difference in your brain, something about a little more or less neuron clusters.
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    Apr 03, 2009 5:13 AM GMT
    Ooooooooooooooh!

    when i saw homosexual movement as being immoral, i assumed its because of how they dance or walk


    my mistake
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    Apr 03, 2009 5:24 AM GMT
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    muscles4muscles saidif this was required reading in my Psychology course, I'd think about transferring schools. what does this have to do with Psychology except to show it's possible to formulate ideas without the use of logic?


    Very wise thought. Unless your his prof wants to compare APAs' policies with religious biases... I'd be concerned about your roomate and what his prof is teaching. It may be a campus-wide thing too.

    I didn't read the article. But since there were not citations, and all the authors/contributors were religious... I'd say its a weeee bit bias.


    TRASH IT and tell your friend what you did with the article.


    Solid advice from Scuba. Just reiterating.