Relations with the police are kinda bad....

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    Mar 30, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    I saw this story on MSNBC, saturday evening while I was at the gym.
    It happened in Dallas, TX, but has and could happen any place in the country. The police officers don't get it! They are not above the law, nor are they to be cold heartless calculating machines that are only interested in what they are doing in their little ticket happy world.....

    A Dallas, TX, police officer, chases and made a complete ass of himself and the police department, by his actions, arrogance, and lack of intelligence and compassion. Watch the video and read the story.....Their mother DIED before the officer finished writting a traffic ticket, EVEN though the officer was told what was happening......I say FIRE the fool and get into damage control quickly before this cleans house on the police... maybe it should send them all back for a refresher on dealing with the public and the ability to identify and prioritize needs, actions and events a bit better....

    This story pisses me off so much because it has happened to me...the police don't care, they don't hear you, are uninterested in helping or listening, unless you are "one of their own".......


    the story is here
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

    the video is here
    http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=345818&shu=1

    THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF comments on the incident (video)
    http://www.dallasnews.com/video/?z=y&nvid=345923&shu=1
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    Mar 30, 2009 5:33 AM GMT
    I just saw a mention of this on CNN ... haven't seen the whole story yet
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    Mar 30, 2009 6:33 AM GMT
    I don't care who you are... If my mother was dying, I would flee the damn scene, go see her and get arrested. I commend Moats for being as calm as he was.
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    Mar 30, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    This crap makes me very angry. Something like this happened in my town in Minnesota. A man was rushing his wife to the hospital. She was in labor and there were already bad complications. A cop tried to pull them over, and when the man didnt pull over, the cop pretty much ran him of the road. His wife and first born child died because they didnt get to the hospital.
    he reason this didnt make headlines is because the man had an illness, maybe depression or bi-polar, but he killed himself out of grief.

    The shithead cop was the brother of a friend of mine.

  • Mar 30, 2009 7:37 AM GMT
    ARGH!! icon_evil.gif The police operate as the unaccountable arbiters of lethal violence and are afforded IMPUNITY in their discretion to use what we continue to EUHPEMIZE as "Excessive force". Janet Koven Letic calls the free reind from the law a "constitutional carte blanche".

    If you look at a couple of past cases, you will see the police's are granted constitutional carte blanche by courts. So their enjoyment of this freedom from laws is PERMITTED REPEATEDLY by the state. This is especially true in regards to the 4th amendment of protection against unreasonable search and seizure... See these cases..

    illinois v. wardlow (2000) and Unites States v. Whren in 1996 and tracking even further into 1968 in Terry v. Ohrio



    ick.. i dont like the police force icon_cry.gif They are violent criminals themselves...icon_evil.gif

    like in this case where they shock the fuck out of this student.. are they really acting out of "self defense"?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E

    And if you watch Kathy Griffin: My life on the d list... I recall an episode where she meets tom's brother who is a police officer... the police officer demonstrates things with batons to her.. and he says, "In the academy, they teach us to say 'stop resisting' before and as you beat the guy"

    and that recent incident where that man was shot point blank even though he was face down on the ground.. I do not remember the name of thistrain station where it occurred..

    so fucked up.. but they "protect our communities" right?
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    Mar 31, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    It's beneath disgusting and I hope the officer gets fired. And loses whatever pension he has.

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    Mar 31, 2009 12:12 AM GMT
    We are seeing this type of behavior more and more. It has been going on for many years now.
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    Mar 31, 2009 12:18 AM GMT
    MindBodyDisconnect said the police's are granted constitutional carte blanche by courts. So their enjoyment of this freedom from laws is PERMITTED REPEATEDLY by the state. This is especially true in regards to the 4th amendment of protection against unreasonable search and seizure... See these cases..illinois v. wardlow (2000) and Unites States v. Whren in 1996 and tracking even further into 1968 in Terry v. Ohrio

    I don't see how the line of cases beginning with Terry v. Ohio give the police carte blanche. Terry says that a police officer who has specific articulable reasons to believe that a person is engaged in illegal activity may stop that person and ask questions to determine if illegal activity is taking place. For the officer's safety he may pat down the person for weapons.That is the extent of the search authorized by Terry. If you doubt that the officer's safety is a legitimate concern, just check with the 4 widows of the cops shot in Oakland.
    Also, citing Kathy Griffin as a legal authority fails to impress.
    That said, the Dallas case was totally egregious and I believe the cop has already been fired.
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    Mar 31, 2009 12:24 AM GMT
    me cago en el coño de su puta madre

    (sorry there are no swear words strong enough in english).

    he needs to be throughly disembowelled and fired
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    Mar 31, 2009 12:57 AM GMT
    The cop is fine, you never really know what folks are up to speeding through lights and stop signs. He let some of his relatives in and kept a few there...so don't be too hard on our police force.
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    Mar 31, 2009 1:08 AM GMT
    The driver did stop at the red light and proceeded when he knew it was safe. He wasnt really driving recklessly or dangerously. I can understand the policeman pursuing him initially. But once the officer learned the circumstances, he should have shown common sense and backed off.
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    Mar 31, 2009 5:43 AM GMT
    What are you guys talking about? Those are Officers of the LAW, you better OBEY. It's your Duty.

    Haven't you heard? A a majority of poofs want guns banned and our never ending safety to be put in the hands of the Finest -as opposed to you slithering 'civvies'- for all time.

    News Flash: Guns are Bad, and Cops shit Gold Biscuits.
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    Apr 01, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    I understand the pro and con and the reality of everyone wants to get away with whatever they can.... but In a day and age of "photo enforcement", the police hardly needed to be involved in any part of this entire scenario, other than to run the ticket down to the post office.......icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 01, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    beeker saidWhat are you guys talking about? Those are Officers of the LAW, you better OBEY. It's your Duty.

    Haven't you heard? A a majority of poofs want guns banned and our never ending safety to be put in the hands of the Finest -as opposed to you slithering 'civvies'- for all time.

    News Flash: Guns are Bad, and Cops shit Gold Biscuits.


    So what is your point exactly. Are you arguing that the driver should have had a gun to shoot the cop? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 01, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
    I take offense to this forum, however, sadly, some of what has been said is true. I am a former law enforcement officer and believe that 95%+ of law enforcement do a job that is extremely commendable. The problem is that the less than 5% or so that do stupid things and are caught by the media really make the police look bad. So, as you debate this topic, let's not forget that you are really talking about the minority who are self-centered, who don't get it, and who cause problems for the other officers. It is the majority of law enforcement who are doing what they have sworn to do, and that is uphold the law, protect us citizens, and serve the public in so many ways that I could not begin to write about.
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    Apr 01, 2009 2:28 AM GMT
    t_montana9 saidI take offense to this forum, however, sadly, some of what has been said is true. I am a former law enforcement officer and believe that 95%+ of law enforcement do a job that is extremely commendable. The problem is that the less than 5% or so that do stupid things and are caught by the media really make the police look bad. So, as you debate this topic, let's not forget that you are really talking about the minority who are self-centered, who don't get it, and who cause problems for the other officers. It is the majority of law enforcement who are doing what they have sworn to do, and that is uphold the law, protect us citizens, and serve the public in so many ways that I could not begin to write about.



    Thanks t_montana for hopefully opening up some minds. Cops are no different form other professions when it comes to a few making the whole look bad. There are teachers that have sex with their students and it hits the media. That does not mean all teachers are bad. There are doctors that do bad things. There are grocery store cashiers that tap the till. The media only tells the story that "is" a story.
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    Apr 01, 2009 2:31 AM GMT
    I am wondering if the cop is a racist or at least a bigot? But he should not be a cop!

    I heard his inteview and how he said he has a family to feed and shouldnt lose his job. HE SUCKS at being a cop!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Apr 01, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    I agree the bad [cops] make it difficult for the good cops, thankfully, i'v met some really cool officers at the gym and in the neighborhood, i'v also come across some jerks too..
    Being a police officer is a hard job, let's not let the few bad turn us cold against all of them...
    But this guy was a total ASSHOLEicon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 01, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    I totally disagree with the officer in this matter. Yes, most police may be in their job for the good, but we have to remember that police are human. They (certain officers) are bigots, racists, hypocrites, etc..., etc.. Therefore I believe that many if not ALL of us are these things at some point during our lives. Yes its disgusting, but all too often true.

    Also I love it when, something bad happens, the media reports on it, and then we turn around and blame the media for being so horrible. Really? I mean if the media only reported the good, they would have nearly nothing to write about. The media so called "attacks" some issue, when it is either really good or really bad? That is their job--to find the truth and give it to the public. The media reports when an issue digresses from the usual.
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    Apr 02, 2009 12:22 AM GMT
    mtbkrguy08 said

    Also I love it when, something bad happens, the media reports on it, and then we turn around and blame the media for being so horrible. Really? I mean if the media only reported the good, they would have nearly nothing to write about. The media so called "attacks" some issue, when it is either really good or really bad? That is their job--to find the truth and give it to the public. The media reports when an issue digresses from the usual.


    No beef with a responsible media, but you have to admit they sensationalize stories to make it more appealing to the viewer. We all look at a car wreck as we drive by, but that doesn't mean we want a car wreck to happen. Report facts without the dramatic lead ins or music, etc...

    Plus there is plenty "good" out there its just boring to report on. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 06, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    Well, Officer Powell resigned. Which isn't surprising. If he didn't, then I'm sure there would have been protests, lawsuits, and other stuff. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 06, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    not to be mean, but all my interactions with police officers have been problematic, so although they "risk their lives" for me and the public at large, i generally have a very low expectation for most of them as people. although this is horrible, there is no shock registering on my face. part of their training should focus on reducing their ego/power trips.
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    Apr 06, 2009 5:49 AM GMT
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    beeker saidWhat are you guys talking about? Those are Officers of the LAW, you better OBEY. It's your Duty.

    Haven't you heard? A a majority of poofs want guns banned and our never ending safety to be put in the hands of the Finest -as opposed to you slithering 'civvies'- for all time.

    News Flash: Guns are Bad, and Cops shit Gold Biscuits.


    So what is your point exactly. Are you arguing that the driver should have had a gun to shoot the cop? icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol

    No. Just saying that cops are fucked up like the rest of us. Too bad A(ssholes) types are the most likely to pursue LE careers.

    "Power trip much?" Said the broken duck.

    It's your duty to Obey. *sigh* I'm such a hater I was rooting for the computer in Eagle Eyes.
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    Apr 06, 2009 5:59 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidnot to be mean, but all my interactions with police officers have been problematic, so although they "risk their lives" for me and the public at large, i generally have a very low expectation for most of them as people. although this is horrible, there is no shock registering on my face. part of their training should focus on reducing their ego/power trips.


    I agree. My attorney cautions people not to open their doors to the police. While many cops are fair and honest, most (he said) are not. If the cop has a warrant, he'll come in. Otherwise you do not have to speak to them. It is better if you do not speak to a cop. I'm told the kinds of people typically going into law enforcement are usually not good people. I know there are exceptions, but my attorney is one of the brightest and best in Phoenix - and he knows exactly what he is talking about. This is not meant to insult good officers in any way........but there are so many bad ones now - with complexes and mean, hateful ways of showing their hostility. My attorney says to say, "I have an attorney" or even, "I want to speak with my attorney" and say absolutely nothing - not even small talk - to a cop.
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    Apr 06, 2009 6:11 AM GMT
    Cops are like lawyers.. Everyone hates them until you actually need them. icon_wink.gif