Do Canadians call Black people in Canada "African Americans"?

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    Mar 31, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    I just took that prostate cancer survery. ( http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/472291/ ) I didnt realize that it is being conducted by a Canadian university and when they asked for race identification, they listed African American. I thought that was odd for a Canadian survey, unless you take "American" to be in broad North American sense. So I am just wondering now, if Canadian call Black people in Canada "African Americans."

  • Delivis

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    Mar 31, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    I always assume American to mean the broader sense, and not just refer to the United States OF America.

    As to what people call themseleves, i am not sure. For many people i know here, racial and national labels rarely enter the picture. I dont call myself white, or caucasian or anything. Most of the friends I have who i presume would be labelled "black"by some, dont seem to ever identify as that, or african american. At most they will very loosely call themseleves Canadian, if that.
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    Mar 31, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
    We do use the word "American" with a much broader meaning, I guess, than you do in the US.

    We often say "Native Americans" for First Nation people... "African Americans", I believe, more specifically refers to black people who trace back their ancestry to those Africans who were brought to the new continent as slaves... because of the historical "genetic selection" that occured back then, as well as cultural history, they have very different characteristics, both physical and cultural, from African black people.

    Someone, for instance, who was born in Africa from parents who would've moved there from the US might actually be considered African American, whereas a black person born in the US of African immigrants might not.

    I'm not an anthropologist though.. so I might have it all wrong! It's just how I understand it...
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    Mar 31, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
    I am hearing "African Canadian" more and more. "Black" is still used frequently. The official new term in academic circles is "racialized" people. Or people belonging to a "racialized" group. Sounds odd but it makes sense. There is only one race, the human race, but people are prejudged to have certain attributes based on belonging to a "race".
  • Aquanerd

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    Mar 31, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
    This thread reminded me of a friend from college who got very indignant when he was referred to as African American. His reply was always, "I am African American, I am Jamaican!"

    Oh and don't forget about all the German Americans in Brazil and Argentina.

    Aren't names silly.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Mar 31, 2009 5:32 PM GMT
    "There is only one race, the human race, but people are prejudged to have certain attributes based on belonging to a "race".

    A common sentiment, but wrong. Biologically speaking, a race is a population within a species that breeds predominantly with other members of the same group, and which can be differentiated in some way from other groups of the same species. Most often, races are differentiated from each other on visible physical features, such as coloration and size, though there can be behavioral differences as well. The Dusky Seaside Sparrow, for instance, became a big conservation cause back in 1980 when it went extinct, but it wasn't a species; it was a geographic race of the Seaside Sparrow. Similarly, the different types of tigers (Bengal, Siberian, etc) are different races of tigers, not different species.

    How meaningful races are in human populations is another matter entirely. But it's simply factually incorrect to state that there is only one race, the human race. There clearly are physically identifying features that differ between different groups of humans. I blame much of this confusion on Sci Fi writers who talk about "alien races" when what they really mean is "alien species".
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    Mar 31, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
    MSUBionerda race is a population within a species that breeds predominantly with other members of the same group, and which can be differentiated in some way from other groups of the same species.


    The 'breeding' point doesn't really apply to humans. In Britain 'mixed race' is the fastest growing racial group.

    To say that there is 'one human race' is a political rather than a biological statement. I'm down with it.
  • Aquanerd

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    Mar 31, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    Lost_And_Found said
    MSUBionerda race is a population within a species that breeds predominantly with other members of the same group, and which can be differentiated in some way from other groups of the same species.


    The 'breeding' point doesn't really apply to humans. In Britain 'mixed race' is the fastest growing racial group.

    To say that there is 'one human race' is a political rather than a biological statement. I'm down with it.


    I think that exact opposite. "Human Race" or more appropriately "Human Species" is the biological term. Dividing Humans into "races" like Caucasian, Mixed Race, or African American is purely an attempt to divide people (and primarily people that depend on others to define themselves) into groups that can be manipulated for purely political gain.
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    Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    i know a guy with blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin that moved here from
    Africa where he was born and his parents were born. Should he put down on
    those forms that he is an African American?

    I love it in the Olympics when they refer to African's athletes as African Americans..because they are black.

    African American is one of the worst politically correct (thinkspeak) terms to
    be coined to avoid the obvious truth.

    Try listing a Portuguese man as Hispanic some time.....they love that.
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    Mar 31, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
    Better yet. Call a Spainard a mexican and see what happes. Hilarious.

    As to answer your question with your blonde haired, blue eyed friend: he's white.

    There is big difference between a Black American and an African American person though many people do not see the differecen because of the simple color trait. It's on the same level as figuring out whether to call a person White or European based of color. Big deal I say. As long as you know your history and what your family consists of then feel free to call yourself whatever as long as you are comfortable with it.

    I am Blk-mixed. I'm a global mutt and have a variety of different races in me from both sides of the family. The funniest thing is how somewhere along the lines my ancestor caught a craving for chocolate and it didn't let up 5 generations later. LOL.

    I'm sure Canadian do call black people African American and I'm sure some don't. Not really a big deal unless you come across someone who feels the need to make a correction on your part.
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    Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM GMT
    Aquanerd said
    Lost_And_Found said
    MSUBionerda race is a population within a species that breeds predominantly with other members of the same group, and which can be differentiated in some way from other groups of the same species.


    The 'breeding' point doesn't really apply to humans. In Britain 'mixed race' is the fastest growing racial group.

    To say that there is 'one human race' is a political rather than a biological statement. I'm down with it.


    I think that exact opposite. "Human Race" or more appropriately "Human Species" is the biological term. Dividing Humans into "races" like Caucasian, Mixed Race, or African American is purely an attempt to divide people (and primarily people that depend on others to define themselves) into groups that can be manipulated for purely political gain.


    That is what many scientists are now conclulding. We all have a common ancestor and evolved over time into what we refer to as different "races" with distinct physical characteristics. We did not evolve separately in separate places, which at one time was the prevailing view. Perhaps they will switch back again though, these things are hard to prove.




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    Mar 31, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    Delivis saidI always assume American to mean the broader sense, and not just refer to the United States OF America.

    As to what people call themseleves, i am not sure. For many people i know here, racial and national labels rarely enter the picture. I dont call myself white, or caucasian or anything. Most of the friends I have who i presume would be labelled "black"by some, dont seem to ever identify as that, or african american. At most they will very loosely call themseleves Canadian, if that.


    My partner, a member of a minority, calls me white. He sees Italians and Greeks as a visible minority. I politely disagree. I view them as caucasion. But it really does not matter, we are all a mixture of different backgrounds. Find me a person of "Pure" blood and I will show you a person whose family tree probably has a lot of health problems due to inbreeding (the European Royal Families of the 19th and 20th century are a good example).
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
    jprichva saidMy Canadian side of the family gets all testy when we USA relatives call ourselves "Americans."

    "So are we," they sniff.

    ("But Jews first," my aunt adds, "so let's eat.")


    My brother-in-law calls "Americans", "United Statesians", and your Aunt is a wise woman.
  • Anto

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
    Better yet. Call a Spainard a mexican and see what happes. Hilarious.

    Well of course they would get upset, the proper term is Mexican European!
  • Anto

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    I think humans are like dogs. There are all kinds of dogs. They can mate with each other but obviously different breeds have different physical and behavioral characteristics. I don't see how humans are any different. In fact I think it would be unscientific to argue otherwise.
  • DrStorm

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    I've made mention of this before. In 2013 when I become a US citizen, and since I am South African born and bred, I will therefore be, an African American.

    A white one. icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif

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  • Delivis

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:36 PM GMT
    Dont forget - we are ALL really africans.
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    SurrealLife said

    My partner, a member of a minority, calls me white. He sees Italians and Greeks as a visible minority. I politely disagree. I view them as caucasion. But it really does not matter, we are all a mixture of different backgrounds. Find me a person of "Pure" blood and I will show you a person whose family tree probably has a lot of health problems due to inbreeding (the European Royal Families of the 19th and 20th century are a good example).



    He sees them as a visible racial minority ?

    Not that the US is an authority on categorization, from the 2000 US Census brief : The term “White” refers to people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who reported “White” or wrote in entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish. (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-4.pdf*)

    As for Black people: The term “Black or African American” refers to people having origins in any of the Black race groups of Africa. It includes people who reported “Black, African Am.,or Negro” or wrote in entries such as African American, Afro American, Nigerian, or Haitian. (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf*)

    While this does answer a previously asked question on how whites from [North] Africa are to be categorized in terms of immigration and census information, I have met olive skinned Egyptians/Moroccans as well as some fair-skinned, blue-eyed Algerian/Libyans who have taken advantage of African-American designated scholarships.

    *As the US Census is held decennial, there will be a new census in 2010.
  • ROYCE13

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
    I never liked the classification on surveys or forms, even as a child I viewed any one born in the USA as Americans, therefore, I thought blacks should be American Africans. Plus, I knew that not all in Africa are black so this classification did not make sense, as further shown in the white african who is going to be a future African American, which is his actual classification.

    In trying to classify people for whatever reason, we make mistakes, I never have seen a listing for African Latin, or Anglo Hispanic, or White African American, you see the point, but they all exist in a true form.
  • esputniko

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    Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    Anto saidBetter yet. Call a Spainard a mexican and see what happes. Hilarious.

    Well of course they would get upset, the proper term is Mexican European!




    Yeah... But it's better to call me, as a Catalan, Spaniard... And let's see what happens...

    Ok, assuming that somebody from Oaxaca (Mexico) has the same origin of a Spaniard from La Rioja, is like assuming that some US Native American has the same origin of a Briton from Newcastle.

    Just shows your stupidity and your lack of history knowledge...


    Get over it...



    And talking about the forum topic... I actually think that all these fucking terms such as "hispanic american", "african american", "asian american", etc are just euphemisms produced by an extremely unbased political politeness, that seems to be embraced by all you US Americans, because of your historical background.

    Totally unnecessary, if we assume that all we are respectful.
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:48 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd said"There is only one race, the human race, but people are prejudged to have certain attributes based on belonging to a "race".

    A common sentiment, but wrong. Biologically speaking, a race is a population within a species that breeds predominantly with other members of the same group, and which can be differentiated in some way from other groups of the same species. Most often, races are differentiated from each other on visible physical features, such as coloration and size, though there can be behavioral differences as well. The Dusky Seaside Sparrow, for instance, became a big conservation cause back in 1980 when it went extinct, but it wasn't a species; it was a geographic race of the Seaside Sparrow. Similarly, the different types of tigers (Bengal, Siberian, etc) are different races of tigers, not different species.

    How meaningful races are in human populations is another matter entirely. But it's simply factually incorrect to state that there is only one race, the human race. There clearly are physically identifying features that differ between different groups of humans. I blame much of this confusion on Sci Fi writers who talk about "alien races" when what they really mean is "alien species".


    I believe race is socially constructed. From a biological point of view, there's really no such thing. Obviously, there are heritable traits, such as skin color and hair texture, etc., that are passed down from one generation to the next. But whether we can use these to biologically divide humans into discrete categories is dubious, in my opinion.

    Still, I believe the term can be useful for some fields, such as cultural anthropology.
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    I must admit for just about I've herd people from America, who are new Americans say: I'm Greek American, or Italian American, or Irish American.

    They acknowledge their heratig as being Greek are whatever.

    I've would like to see this come to pass down here in Oz to, where we have Greek Australian, Italian Australian, Russian Australians, Canadian Australians. That way, the word Aussie will stop being misrepresented, and my heratig as an Aussie stolen. I feel like the lost heritage.
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    Caslon9000 saidI just took that prostate cancer survery. ( http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/472291/ ) I didnt realize that it is being conducted by a Canadian university and when they asked for race identification, they listed African American. I thought that was odd for a Canadian survey, unless you take "American" to be in broad North American sense. So I am just wondering now, if Canadian call Black people in Canada "African Americans."

    I just wanted to know what terminology Canadians used. "Do Canadians call Black people in Canada "African Americans"?" Doesnt seem that hard a question. ... but aint this the way of threads on RJ.... tee hee hee ... icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 31, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    It is strictly a USA construct.
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    Mar 31, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    Hey, I just thought of something....this survey is paying me 20 bucks for participating. Is this gonna be 20 canadian dollars? .... icon_eek.gif ... Methinks me's about to get ripped off. Talk about "bait and switch." ...Guess I should be happy they at least arent zimbabwanian dollars!

    20.00 CAD..... = 15.8675 USD
    Canada Dollars United States Dollars

    ...and I bet the little fuckers dont round up .... icon_evil.gif