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    Apr 01, 2009 3:01 PM GMT
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008943859_apgaysmilitary.html

    There are some pretty strong words expressed by current and retired military men in this article. Instead of having an intelligent discussion (is that even possible) about Don't Ask Don't Tell, it seems as those listed just went out to say how "homosexuality" is a threat to military success.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 01, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    Very unfortunate and outdated. Sexual orientation shouldn't enter into the process.. behavior while on duty does....

    I find this very regrettable:

    The retired officers said they strongly supported the principle that "homosexuality is incompatible with military service" and warned that repeal of current law could jeopardize morale and "unit cohesion."

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    Apr 01, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    Their logic is that men and women can't be in the same barracks because the sexual tension "jeopardizes" military success. They are blindly pasting that over to gays.
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    Apr 01, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
    Perhaps if they themselves were in a barracks with gay men, they couldn't control themselves. They'd be presenting rearward like cats in heat. Fuck them. They're the real threat to military success.
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    Apr 01, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
    These people don't want to have an intelligent discussion. There is no point in dealing with them. Consider them irrelevant. Sometimes, the only way to change opinions is to hit them over the head with a baseball bat until they agree.
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    Apr 01, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    Pinny saidhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008943859_apgaysmilitary.html

    There are some pretty strong words expressed by current and retired military men in this article. Instead of having an intelligent discussion (is that even possible) about Don't Ask Don't Tell, it seems as those listed just went out to say how "homosexuality" is a threat to military success.



    yeah, that's why the Spartans and trojans were such horrible military forces.
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    Apr 01, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    Right, and as it stands, our great military is doing about as good a job in Iraq and Afghanistan as they did in Viet Nam. Thanks, straight guys. Losers!
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    Apr 01, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    I have a decent number of friends who are in the military, and they tell me that there are people who are openly gay and serving all over the place. Lesbians ... in the MARINES?!? Shocking. icon_eek.gif

    Lol.

    It's outdated. Most servicemembers don't care. Get rid of it. icon_smile.gif
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Apr 01, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    For a very different, and humorous, take on the issue, I refer you to Scott Adams' Boner Theory of Economics, in which he argues that the military will eventually be made up entirely of gay men.

    Key passage:

    The Boner Theory of Economics also predicts that in the long run – perhaps in a few hundred years – the military will be 100% gay men. This is the best case scenario for taxpayers because it will keep down costs, and recruiting will be easy.

    Recruiter: “We can’t afford to give you body armor, but you’ll be surrounded by young, vital men who are a long way from home. Would you like a tour of the showers?”

    Recruit: “Yes, but I can’t stand up right away.”
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    Apr 01, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
    FierceEyes saidI have a decent number of friends who are in the military, and they tell me that there are people who are openly gay and serving all over the place. Lesbians ... in the MARINES?!? Shocking. icon_eek.gif

    Lol.

    It's outdated. Most servicemembers don't care. Get rid of it. icon_smile.gif


    I know of quite of few, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they are "open" about it. Of course, if they were asked, I am almost 100% sure they will deny it so that they don't put their career in jeopardy.

    I know two Marines and a Navy, it is sad honesty and this policy of Don't Ask Don't Tell just perpetuates an "ignorance is bliss" maxim. God knows the former military men in the RJ community will have a lot to say.
  • Webster666

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    Apr 01, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
    Their argument that blacks and whites couldn't serve together was bull shit, as proved by the service functioning well, ever since President Truman integrated it.
    Their argument that gays and straights can't serve together is just as dumb, as evidenced by other countries that seem to function just fine with an integrated service.

    It's stupid prejudice, nothing more.
  • OptimusMatt

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    Apr 01, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
    On Sunday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates indicated that executive branch action on "don't ask, don't tell" was not imminent because he and Obama have "a lot on our plates right now."

    "Let's push that one down the road a little bit," Gates said on "Fox News Sunday."


    I do believe this is EXACTLY what I said would occur. Hrm. Though aside from my superficial gloating (being correct that injustices will be propagated is somewhat hollow ya know) I kind of like Obama. Though the jury is still out, ESPECIALLY if this issue gets 'pushed down the road a little bit'
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    Apr 01, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    Golly you sound smart Matty.....I dunno what you said, but it sure looks good.
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    Apr 01, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
    McGay saidRight, and as it stands, our great military is doing about as good a job in Iraq and Afghanistan as they did in Viet Nam. Thanks, straight guys. Losers!


    Well, considering the volume of ex-military on this board, I'd say there's a more than proportionate number of gays in the military. They just have to stay closeted.

    Obviously you can't blame the straight soldiers for failure in the Middle East without blaming the closeted gay dudes as well.
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    Apr 01, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
    remi saidGolly you sound smart Matty.....I dunno what you said, but it sure looks good.


    It's a clever deception Remi, I'm actually dumb as shit. But I try to use words like "excrement" icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 01, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    Remember, the are speaking as Republicans icon_confused.gif
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Apr 02, 2009 4:25 AM GMT
    "Pushing it down the road a bit" is expected, and also one of the huge impediments to ever changing things.

    If the military is currently being used, this lends itself to arguments about gays serving openly not being a priority, there are more important issues to deal with.

    If it's peacetime, we instead see arguments that we can meet recruiting targets without adding in the gays, so why should we bother?

    In general, be skeptical of anyone who says "Equality is an issue we can deal with later." Later has a way of never coming.
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
    These guys opinions on that site have some outdated opinions though, that aren't shared by many generals 'higher ups' whose opinions do count for a lot that are all for getting rid of DADT. I've read several articles where those whose opinions really count have seen through experience in Iraq, that the gays are valuable, neede and present no problem. My son is quite high ranked in the military, and when I go along to functions my "gaydar" tells me that a high percentage of gays are fitting in very well and well liked. LOL !!!!