I finally saw The Watchmen....(spoiler, more or less...inside)

  • vindog

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    Apr 02, 2009 5:12 AM GMT


    ...and I have to say, it was pretty damn good. The more I think about it the more I like it and the questions it presented in the movie. This went well beyond many superhero movies which, while they are entertaining, I feel are very shallow (Iron Man, Superman, Hulk, Transformers, etc). They are more about being a spectacle then actually presenting any interesting or potentially controversial topics. This actually had some THOUGHT behind it.

    Some of the questions brought out:

    Is knowing the truth, even if it will cause you pain, worth it?
    If we could have world peace, meaning no more wars ever again, but it means killing millions of people in one act, is THAT worth it?
    Can we ever completely disassociate from our human nature?


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    Apr 02, 2009 1:59 PM GMT
    vindog said

    ...and I have to say, it was pretty damn good. The more I think about it the more I like it and the questions it presented in the movie. This went well beyond many superhero movies which, while they are entertaining, I feel are very shallow (Iron Man, Superman, Hulk, Transformers, etc). They are more about being a spectacle then actually presenting any interesting or potentially controversial topics. This actually had some THOUGHT behind it.

    Some of the questions brought out:

    Is knowing the truth, even if it will cause you pain, worth it?
    If we could have world peace, meaning no more wars ever again, but it means killing millions of people in one act, is THAT worth it?
    Can we ever completely disassociate from our human nature?




    1. yes
    2. no
    3. with enough impetus we can
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    Spoiler????? the entire movie was predictable....formula even.
  • Garou29

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    Apr 02, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    Forget about the movie...

    There's an animated version of the comic. It's like 12 episodes, 20-25 minutes each.

    It's way better, more background and more ideas to discuss.

    I really loved it.
  • red_series

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    Apr 02, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    JackSpartan saidForget about the movie...

    There's an animated version of the comic. It's like 12 episodes, 20-25 minutes each.

    It's way better, more background and more ideas to discuss.

    I really loved it.



    Or you could just read the comic??
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 02, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    Reading is fundemental!! Also very underrated.icon_cry.gif That saying still hold true--If you read a book, then see the movie you are almost always let down. Unless you have weak imagination.icon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif
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    Apr 02, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
    So, I enjoyed the movie and the comic for different ways.

    To answer your question, I would be for Adrien's plan, if I knew it would work. But I am almost certain that a common enemy would not allow everyone to get along. In the comic, they had a common enemy.

    The movie is different. The movie had a common God. Now, this I think would work. A brutal god that we know wants everyone to get along, who attacked once, and could attack again. Now that is something that would force people to get along. I wrote a little paper on this for a class I was taking. The removal of God from the unconscious, bringing him back to life, and essentially allowing things to be permitted, forbidden and also allowing transgression. It had a bunch Lacan and Freud shit in it.
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    Apr 02, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
    i enjoyed the movie..though i have never seen a cartoon glowing penis before...was interesting.
  • vindog

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    Apr 02, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidSpoiler????? the entire movie was predictable....formula even.


    Formula? What other movies have the same storyline and ending?

    Discovering things about the past is common in movies, but I personally can't think of another movie with a similar ending....probably are, though.


    Examples?
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:16 PM GMT
    A philosophy grad student at University of Idaho uses The Watchmen for his ethics class. Non sequitor.
  • Little_Spoon

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    Apr 03, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    Spoiler:

    It was a great movie.

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  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 03, 2009 3:21 PM GMT
    *Spoiler..
    Watchmen sucked balls, regardless of the deeper meaning and all that shiz
  • Little_Spoon

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    Apr 03, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom said*Spoiler..
    Watchmen sucked balls, regardless of the deeper meaning and all that shiz


    Spoiler:

    WRONG!
  • Timbales

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    Apr 03, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    The movie did a serviceable job of trying to convey the themes presented in the comics. The real issue is time.

    When you are reading, you can spend as long as you want on each page, reading and re-reading the text, studying the pictures, looking back and forth. In a film, it has to keep moving, that's it's nature.
  • vindog

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    Apr 03, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
    DanielH said
    InsatiableBloom said*Spoiler..
    Watchmen sucked balls, regardless of the deeper meaning and all that shiz


    Spoiler:

    WRONG!



    Yea for real.....I've noticed the people who don't like Watchmen do like Transformers, the Spidermans, Iron Man, etc. I can appreciate the merit of just getting "WOWED" with a special effects-laden action flick, but Watchmen didn't really have this aspect. I think people went into it thinking it was a formula superhero movie (which I was one of those people) not prepared for an actual story that required some philosophical thought. Many critics and moviegoers were annoyed by the fact that it didn't have special effects-laden fight scene after fight scene, whereas I was very pleased.


    I am going to read the book, once my organic chemistry and microbiology classes are finished this spring.....

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    Apr 03, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom said*Spoiler..
    Watchmen sucked balls, regardless of the deeper meaning and all that shiz


    I agree, the movie was so stupid to me, I didn't even make it an hour in before I had got up and walked out.
  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 03, 2009 4:50 PM GMT
    vindog said
    DanielH said
    InsatiableBloom said*Spoiler..
    Watchmen sucked balls, regardless of the deeper meaning and all that shiz


    Spoiler:

    WRONG!



    Yea for real.....I've noticed the people who don't like Watchmen do like Transformers, the Spidermans, Iron Man, etc. I can appreciate the merit of just getting "WOWED" with a special effects-laden action flick, but Watchmen didn't really have this aspect. I think people went into it thinking it was a formula superhero movie (which I was one of those people) not prepared for an actual story that required some philosophical thought. Many critics and moviegoers were annoyed by the fact that it didn't have special effects-laden fight scene after fight scene, whereas I was very pleased.


    I am going to read the book, once my organic chemistry and microbiology classes are finished this spring.....

    icon_eek.gif


    Ok, I didn't know you wanted my critical analysis, but here it is: Ok Watchmen was filmed with a unique stylish approach, but for me that was about the only positive note. The movie was also edited where everything was out of place...if your Quentin Tarantino this approach works very well, however this director made it VERY confusing and painful to watch. Also the soundtrack featured some great classic music, however it was mostly used out of place and it felt very unnecessary and awkward. And the terrrrrible My Chemical Romance song at the end of the movie made my friend and I RUN out of the theatre.

    *For the record I HATE Transformers.
    Spiderman is ok.
    And Iron Man is technically considered far superior than Watchmen because it had much better critical responses.







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    Apr 03, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    vindog said
    Alpha13 saidSpoiler????? the entire movie was predictable....formula even.


    Formula? What other movies have the same storyline and ending?

    Discovering things about the past is common in movies, but I personally can't think of another movie with a similar ending....probably are, though.


    Examples?



    I guess you haven't seen enough movies .. the gay, narcissistic, genius bad guy, the ugly runt underdog with integrity..... all of the absolutely impossible fight scenes....snore...

    but the comic book works.
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    Apr 03, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
    I have been reading comic books pretty much all of my life. Yes, Watchmen is a good movie. It has been years since I read the book so I had forgotten some things. I have read it at least twice. No, it wasn't entirely true to the book but that is fine as it was close enough. Actually, I can only think of one minor thing that was different and it would be too stupid to point out.

    Anyway, back when it originally came out it helped change the way comics were written. Which was a good thing.

    As far as Iron Man, Superman, Hulk, Transformers, ect. go:

    Iron Man was very well done and stuck close to the comic. At least the origin.

    Superman was okay I just didn't like the part about the kid.

    The latest Hulk was much more in line to the comic than the one before it and it would be great if they made another one. Since they basically introduced The Leader that would be a good villain.

    Transformers was a scrap heap. By the end everyone was too busy yelling at each other and not doing anything. Could anyone actually tell what was going on during the Transformers battles? Looked like a big ball of metal rolling around.

    X-Men, don't get me started. After the third film I see Magneto as the hero.

    Fantastic Four was not as good as it should have been. They switched Reed and Sue's personalities and Dr. Doom was not handled correctly and should not have been part of the origin. It was bad that they waited until the end of the first movie to show their powers as a team but didn't really get into it in the second.

    Ghost Rider would have been more enjoyable if it showed Cage's face on fire as I really don't like the guy.

    Spider-Man was good enough. The first suffered due to the lengthy talks between Spider-Man and The Green Goblin because we couldn't see facial expressions. I didn't like Doctor Octopus though the scenes with Peter interacting with Aunt May and Mary Jane made it watchable. Sandman was good and Venom could have been better if every time he talked he didn't have to show the actors face. I haven't heard about anyone liking emo Peter Parker.
  • vindog

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    Apr 03, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    vindog said
    Alpha13 saidSpoiler????? the entire movie was predictable....formula even.


    Formula? What other movies have the same storyline and ending?

    Discovering things about the past is common in movies, but I personally can't think of another movie with a similar ending....probably are, though.


    Examples?



    I guess you haven't seen enough movies .. the gay, narcissistic, genius bad guy, the ugly runt underdog with integrity..... all of the absolutely impossible fight scenes....snore...

    but the comic book works.



    yes, I definitely have not seen enough movies. icon_wink.gif
    Those aspects were formula characters for sure....I thought you meant the outcome of destruction and the questions it proposes in the creation of world peace, disassociation from humanity, etc. Thats what I meant. The movie draws you in with cliche superhero aspects (as you point out), but twists it so you're left with something not cliche at its heart.


    Was he gay? I didn't catch that. Was that in the comic and not in the movie, or was I too transfixed on the big blue penis? lol


    I must read it.