I'm going to try running outside

  • Timbales

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    Apr 02, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    I've only been running as part of my HIIT for about 7 months. It's all been indoors on the treadmill. Spring is here and I'd like to move it outside. Any advice, suggestions?
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    Apr 02, 2009 2:29 PM GMT
    Dont do it...

    I don't think jogging is healthy, especially morning jogging. If morning joggers knew how tempting they looked to morning motorists, they would stay home and do sit-ups.

    Why I Quit Jogging
  • Timbales

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    Apr 02, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
    Caslon10000 saidDont do it...

    I don't think jogging is healthy, especially morning jogging. If morning joggers knew how tempting they looked to morning motorists, they would stay home and do sit-ups.


    Your concern touches me. I'll be running in a park where there is no motor traffic.
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    Apr 02, 2009 2:45 PM GMT
    Timberoo said
    Caslon10000 saidDont do it...

    I don't think jogging is healthy, especially morning jogging. If morning joggers knew how tempting they looked to morning motorists, they would stay home and do sit-ups.


    Your concern touches me. I'll be running in a park where there is no motor traffic.

    Oh great, muggers and rapists....oh, wait, maybe just the muggers are of concern here
  • Timbales

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    Apr 02, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
    Caslon10000 said
    Timberoo said
    Caslon10000 saidDont do it...

    I don't think jogging is healthy, especially morning jogging. If morning joggers knew how tempting they looked to morning motorists, they would stay home and do sit-ups.


    Your concern touches me. I'll be running in a park where there is no motor traffic.

    Oh great, muggers and rapists....oh, wait, maybe just the muggers are of concern here


    does this mean you'll be lurking in the bushes?

    Do I need different shoes?
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:00 PM GMT
    Timberoo said
    Caslon10000 said
    Timberoo said
    Caslon10000 saidDont do it...

    I don't think jogging is healthy, especially morning jogging. If morning joggers knew how tempting they looked to morning motorists, they would stay home and do sit-ups.


    Your concern touches me. I'll be running in a park where there is no motor traffic.

    Oh great, muggers and rapists....oh, wait, maybe just the muggers are of concern here


    does this mean you'll be lurking in the bushes?

    Do I need different shoes?

    I dont need to lurk ...with my natural masculine beauty, I am sure you couldnt resist.
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    Just make sure you jog on either grass or turf running on concrete will kill your knees!
  • Timbales

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    Apr 02, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidJust make sure you jog on either grass or turf running on concrete will kill your knees!


    what about blacktop? the park at the lake has jogging trails that are paved.

    maybe I should look for a school that has a track.
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    That story wasn't fun to read.
  • zakariahzol

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    Apr 02, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    Hey Caslon,

    Early morning is the best time to run. For me in a tropic, morning is when is cooler, the air fresher and traffic at it minimum. I am to tired to run after finishing work at 5.30pm. I usually run before breakfast and getting ready for work. This way I burn all the calories from fat not the food I eat. I live in residential area , so in the morning there only kid and parent sending their children to school and some factory worker going to work. No mugger or rapist here.
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    Apr 02, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
    That should be fine because it is designed to reduce the stress on your knees as long as the surface is soft but firm sort of like a sponge.
    If it is a hard surface I would not jog on it. If the track at the high school is a regulation track, meaning like the ones on a university or college campus then you should be fine. You may want to invest in a pair of new balance jogging shoes as well. There are others but New Balance are the best.

    Happy Jogging Timber!
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    Apr 02, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
    I have to tell you that I just wrote a lengthy response to your post with articles from scientific journals to support the fact that running has no long term effect on your knees. Alas... It was erased and lost. I am sorry.

    The thing is I agree that running on hard surfaces isn't ideal, but it is not detrimental to your running. Run on a track if you would like, but the boredom that will ensue would cause me to quit running and/or not enjoy it very much.

    I have run for years and appreciate getting out into the open when I run. I don't use headphones and just experience nature.

    Here are some of the articles I had in my last version of my reply to your post:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18550323
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/d8465q954w0j4646/?p=d1d7a5f7376049bc83bf11faeb1e2895π=7
    http://www.ejbjs.org/cgi/content/full/80/8/1220
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WP3-4VD9X9Y-1&_user=99318&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000007678&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=99318&md5=bf7a8cf1fc84d8670c34a171ff560f31
    I tried to be as unbiased as possible when pulling articles having to do with knees and running, but some of the articles deal with running injuries and not long term effects of running.

    Determine what is best for you and HAPPY RUNNING!!!
  • Timbales

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    Apr 02, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
    cool, thanks guys!

    I live in Central New York, and weather is unpredictable, so my indoor time may still be greater than my outdoor. I'm just looking forward to mixing it up.

    Plus there tends to be hotties at the park. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 02, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    Your knees should be OK regardless of surface you run on as long as your running shoes are in good shape. You should replace your shoes every 300-500 miles.

    Running shoe FAQ from Runner's World:
    http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-240-490--12954-0,00.html
  • gwuinsf

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    Apr 02, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    What is HIIT?

    Frankly, I can't run on a treadmill without becoming completely and utterly bored after 5 minutes. Running outdoors gives you things to look at, people to see, and my mind is able to think about other things other than "how much time do I have left" and "how far have I run? only .6 miles? WTF?!"

    When I started running I had some knee problems, but it was due more to having improper running shoes. Go to a store that specializes in running and make sure you get a proper fit. It wasn't until I did that for the first time that anyone ever told me that I overpronate.
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    Apr 02, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    gwuinsf saidWhat is HIIT?

    Frankly, I can't run on a treadmill without becoming completely and utterly bored after 5 minutes. Running outdoors gives you things to look at, people to see, and my mind is able to think about other things other than "how much time do I have left" and "how far have I run? only .6 miles? WTF?!"

    When I started running I had some knee problems, but it was due more to having improper running shoes. Go to a store that specializes in running and make sure you get a proper fit. It wasn't until I did that for the first time that anyone ever told me that I overpronate.


    Hi Intensity Interval Training.

    Basically, it's jogging or walking at a moderate pace for a period of time, then running full out for a minute, repeating until you're done. I currently do about a 3/1 minute interval.
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    Apr 02, 2009 7:04 PM GMT
    I do HIIT outdoors, but I don't use time as a measurement. Sure, it is easy to count out 20 seconds on a treadmill, but if you are working your hardest looking at a watch is not workable. I use street lamps as markers. Sprint four lamps, jog eight, or however you work it.
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    Apr 02, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI do HIIT outdoors, but I don't use time as a measurement. Sure, it is easy to count out 20 seconds on a treadmill, but if you are working your hardest looking at a watch is not workable. I use street lamps as markers. Sprint four lamps, jog eight, or however you work it.


    Thanks for that tip. I program the treadmill to speed up and slow down for me automatically. I was going to find a digital watch that would be easy to set timers on.
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    Apr 02, 2009 7:11 PM GMT
    Running has been a pursuit of mine since the 1970s. It's been a wonderful thing...no worries about equipment (OK, shoes are expensive), you can run out the door (OK, maybe not if you live on a freeway) and not have to drive someplace.

    I've done it competitively, and "just to do it." Apart from incidents in which, for example, I tripped and fell, I have had no "overuse" injuries, don't have arthritis of the joints (which many warned would happen to runners as they age).

    I am surprised at some of the responses in this thread. Evidently, people didn't read the very article that RJ posted on this topic several weeks ago.

    I don't try to recruit people to running. Either you like it or you don't. I can tell you that you WON'T like it the first few months you are doing it, until your body adjusts.

    I can also tell you that running on a perfectly level (except for small ups and down) on the street is considerably more difficult than running on a treadmill. Studies show that you can reduce your pace by 5-10% for the same effort.

    Or to put it another way, I often chortle when my gym buddies who only run on a treadmill claim that running a six minute per mile pace is "easy". They'd find that they'd have to expend 5-10% more effort on flat trails to do that.

    Anyway, I run mostly on trails and very beautiful urban areas/bike trails. It's wonderful.

    John
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    Apr 02, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    I agree with Fastprof. Everyone who's told me I'm going to get arthritis in my joints, damage my knees, and other parts of my anatomy have been people who would only run if something were chasing them.

    Good form, proper running shoes, and slowly introducing outdoor running into your routine should help you transition smoothly into it.