can you get HIV from unprotected oral sex?

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    Apr 02, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    so can you get hiv from unprotected oral sex? This might be a dumb question, so I guess I'm looking for someone more experienced than myself to answer. I know you can obviously get other std's, but I heard somewhere that the chance of getting HIV is basically zero. So should I feel safe with unprotected oral sex? do you do it, and if so do you worry about it?
  • Webster666

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    Apr 03, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
    NO.
    You'll hear all he ridiculous warnings about no sex after you flossed your teeth, no sex after you had your teeth cleaned at the dentist, and on and on.
    NO.
    The answer is, NO.
    There has been not one proven case of transmission of HIV through oral sex.
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidNO.
    You'll hear all he ridiculous warnings about no sex after you flossed your teeth, no sex after you had your teeth cleaned at the dentist, and on and on.
    NO.
    The answer is, NO.
    There has been not one proven case of transmission of HIV through oral sex.


    Really??? There are several RJ' ers that are hiv + via oral sex. Educate yourself via their wisdom and knowledge (among the thousands of other safe sex guidelines/sites) before making such an ignorant statement. Granted oral is less risky but it is not 100% safe.
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:26 AM GMT
    I wonder why several AIDS agencies for which I volunteer caution about the risks of oral sex? What do you know that they don't?

    It certainly seems plausible that mouth sores and bleeding gums could be entry points for the virus, when you've got a mouthful of cum. But if you want to take that chance, that's your business... icon_razz.gif
  • zakariahzol

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    Apr 03, 2009 1:02 PM GMT
    My friend that hardly do any anal sex , get infected thru oral sex. I was lucky not to get infected despite performing bj to so many guys. I learn my lesson, as unlikely as it is, I am rolling a condom on every dick I gonna put my mouth in.
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    bostudent87 said so can you get hiv from unprotected oral sex? This might be a dumb question, so I guess I'm looking for someone more experienced than myself to answer. I know you can obviously get other std's, but I heard somewhere that the chance of getting HIV is basically zero. So should I feel safe with unprotected oral sex? do you do it, and if so do you worry about it?


    Very unlikely, but possible. Of course, if fluids are introduced, chances go up. Saliva breaks down HIV. You need a cut in your mouth, direct contact with fluids, etc:

    http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/sexual.html#oral
  • tallchris

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    Apr 03, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
    Recent advice from my clinic is that it is possible, but extremely rare and not worth worrying about.
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
    From the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:

    "Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex..."

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:22 PM GMT
    It's hard to prove that it happens because everyone sucks dick. However, clear thinking would show, because HIV spreads via body fluids, dick juice + canker sores is pretty close to taking a load in an open wound.

    Basically, if you're questioning the cleanliness of the shaft, throw a rubber on it and problem solved. Or, you can be a nag and make him get the full battery of tests before you go there. Obviously, if it smells or looks bad, you might wanna steer clear altogether and send him packing.
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
    A typical government answer. "Yes, it is possible...."

    More helpful would be statistics. How many cases of HIV were as a result of exclusively oral sex. Was it 2 or 2 million? This will then give the reader the basis for making a sound rational decision - to assess risk - and his willingness to take it. We take conscious and sometime necessary risks every day - for example when you drive a car - "it is possible" you can be struck and killed by another driver. Does that mean you don't drive? No. Because the statistical likelihood is remote. It is possible the next flight you are on can hit a flock of birds and crash. The statistical likelihood of that occurring is more remote than getting struck by lightning - twice.

    Does anyone know and can thus share some real useful statistics so this young man can make an adult decision rather than one based on scare tactics or instincts, or bias?

    BTW - I commend you for asking the question.
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    Unlikely, but possible. If you're going to do it do, do it with caution. Make sure your overall oral health is good before you do it. I'm not encouraging anyone to do it, but since people will do it anyways, try not to be extra dumb about it.

    As a side note, I'm pos. I was in a relationship with a neg guy for over a year and he probably blew me at least once a day, sometimes more. I never came in his mouth, I know that's what you're wondering. I was initially against it, but he insisted and it seemed to make him very happy. He remains neg to this day. Dumb luck or proof that it's very hard to catch that way? I don't know.
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    Apr 03, 2009 6:33 PM GMT
    It is considered possible but highly unlikely. the problem being that it has never been proven. those that say they caught it through oral sex are generally ashamed to admit they were having unprotected anal sex, and it is very hard to find populations to study that do not engage in anal sex so proving that oral sex can / cannot transmit HIV is near impossible.
  • Rookz

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    Apr 03, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
    You also have the internet to provide you more information if you need it.

    This isn't a dumb question but Google would provide you tons of information of not only HIV but other STDS as well.

    As G.I. Joe said,

    "Knowing is half the battle."
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    Apr 03, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    thanks for your information, and yes, i have looked online, only to find out what everyone here is saying: it is possible, but very unlikely; i guess i just wanted to know what other people did so i could have a sense of what the majority does and feels safe doing
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    Apr 03, 2009 9:25 PM GMT
    If the guy pre-cums dont do it. Just jack him off at the end.
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    Apr 03, 2009 9:32 PM GMT
    It's a shame Webster's inaccurate post is the first response.

    The consensus is yes, it's possible, even thought it's lower risk than other activities.
  • Sebastian18

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    Apr 03, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidUnlikely, but possible. If you're going to do it do, it with caution. Make sure your overall oral health is good before you do it. I'm not encouraging anyone to do it, but since people will do it anyways, try not to be extra dumb about it.

    As a side note, I'm pos. I was in a relationship with a neg guy for over a year and he probably blew me at least once a day, sometimes more. I never came in his mouth, I know that's what you're wondering. I was initially against it, but he insisted and it seemed to make him very happy. He remains neg to this day. Dumb luck or proof that it's very hard to catch that way? I don't know.


    Quoting GuerillaSodomite, it's highly unlikely but possible. According to the research I've done on the topic working in the DIS field there have only been four documented and confirmed cases of HIV transmission due to oral sex. It's entirely likely that those infected had some form of open sore or wounds in their mouth at the time which contributed to infection.

    Still, if you're worried there's nothing wrong with slapping on a rubber before going down on someone. When in doubt...

    A good resource to go to for information on modes of transmission is http://www.thebody.com/sitemap.html or http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/
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    Apr 04, 2009 2:28 AM GMT
    CDC says yes, but, most folks say no.
  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 04, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    Well, think about it: can you get other diseases from oral sex, receiving or giving? Yes. I know more than one person who is now HIV positive and says they must've gotten from oral sex.

    sixxfive said Granted oral is less risky but it is not 100% safe.
    This is true.
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    Apr 04, 2009 2:34 AM GMT
    seanp7 saidIt's a shame Webster's inaccurate post is the first response.

    The consensus is yes, it's possible, even thought it's lower risk than other activities.


    True! The rest are in denial.icon_idea.gif
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    Apr 04, 2009 7:09 AM GMT
    Yes. I am one. How do I know? Trust me I know from my sexual history. Never liked being a bottom, never bottomed without condoms, and very rarely did it. Never let a guy ejaculate in my mouth. Tested positive in 1995. You figure it out.

    Remember that pre-cum has as much concentration of the virus as cum so it is possible. All the pre-cum needs to do is find its' way into the bloodstream via a cut or sore in the mouth. The guy does not have to ejaculate in your mouth.

    I was a safer sex poster boy for years and still got it. Maybe part of my problem was complacency. The first time I took the HIV test, the tester asked me what I did in bed and when I told him, he said "there is virtually no way you can get HIV you are very safe." Well whatever.


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    Apr 04, 2009 7:13 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidNO.
    You'll hear all he ridiculous warnings about no sex after you flossed your teeth, no sex after you had your teeth cleaned at the dentist, and on and on.
    NO.
    The answer is, NO.
    There has been not one proven case of transmission of HIV through oral sex.


    Actually, while the cases are criticized, there are 5 "proven" cases of HIV through oral sex.
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    Apr 04, 2009 7:57 AM GMT
    DO NOT brush your teeth or floss before sex. Your gum's will have little tears that will make you more susceptible.

    DO NOT forget to take care of your teeth. If you have an open sore or wound from not brushing properly you will have a greater chance of contraction.

    NEVER swallow.

    I'm with SurrealLife. I played safe and still contracted it and I believe it was because of my teeth.
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    Apr 05, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI've known two people to claim to have contracted HIV from oral sex. But then as they referenced their story over and over again it came out that they didn't use a condom and were simply too ashamed to admit to it.

    For whatever reason they thought it was less shameful to have contracted HIV from oral sex instead of having anal sex without a condom. This logic I don't understand. It's not like it changes anything.


    Thing is they may have still have got it from oral sex. That is the problem with the data. If a guy has unprotected anal sex once, it is assumed he got it from that one occurrence. Unless one knows whether the other guy was HIV+ there is no way to know for sure if that incident led to the infection.

    Some HIV researchers suspect unprotected oral is more risky then originally thought. But it is very difficult to prove one way or the other. I know that in my situation it was highly unlikely that I contracted it from anal sex. Never had unprotected anal, and only engaged in it two or three times before testing positive. As for oral sex, I never insisted on protection and engaged in it many times over 9 years.
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    Apr 05, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidCDC says yes, but, most folks say no.


    hmmmm let's see.

    I could trust my life with "most folks" or the CDC.

    I think I'll stick with the MDs and PhDs at the CDC.icon_lol.gif