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    Apr 03, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
    http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=20846

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    The Iowa Supreme court just ruled in favor of gay marriage!
    DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — The Iowa Supreme Court says the state's same-sex marriage ban violates the consitutional rights of gay and lesbian couples.

    In a unanimous ruling issued Friday, the court upheld a 2007 Polk County District Court judge's ruling that the law was unconstitutional.

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    Apr 03, 2009 2:49 PM GMT
    I love my state!
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    Apr 03, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    Iowa beats California to the punch and legalizes gay marriages. All right guys, come to Omaha for the College World Series, and go across the river to Iowa and get married!!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 03, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
    That would be Iowa beating out several states to the punch. But yeah for Iowa, and for an opening in the middle of the country.
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:16 PM GMT
    Now Steve Alford can finally come back and marry Bob Knight.

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    I can see it now!!!

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    Apr 03, 2009 3:17 PM GMT
    Congrats IOWA. icon_cool.gif 3 down, 47 to go...
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    Yay Iowa!
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    Way to go Iowa! Congrats! We need your help here in Maine now. One by one...
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
    warrior_poet63 saidI love my state!


    Ditto.


    So uhh. . . I'm thinking about celebrating by getting marriedicon_lol.gif.
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    OutdoorMutt saidhttp://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=20846

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHUp4BkOCwXHCaN3c1RyYj61fYTQD97B194O0


    The Iowa Supreme court just ruled in favor of gay marriage!
    DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — The Iowa Supreme Court says the state's same-sex marriage ban violates the consitutional rights of gay and lesbian couples.

    In a unanimous ruling issued Friday, the court upheld a 2007 Polk County District Court judge's ruling that the law was unconstitutional.


    When the anti-gay marriage canard gets to the US Supreme Court, it will be all over. There is no basis for this discrimination.
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    Apr 03, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    Maverick75 saidIowa beats California to the punch and legalizes gay marriages. All right guys, come to Omaha for the College World Series, and go across the river to Iowa and get married!!! icon_biggrin.gif

    I bet this has an impact on the California court decision. Courts pay attention to other courts, even if they legally dont have to. California is hardly gonna wanna be totally beat out by Iowa... icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    OutdoorMutt saidhttp://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=20846

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHUp4BkOCwXHCaN3c1RyYj61fYTQD97B194O0


    The Iowa Supreme court just ruled in favor of gay marriage!
    DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — The Iowa Supreme Court says the state's same-sex marriage ban violates the consitutional rights of gay and lesbian couples.

    In a unanimous ruling issued Friday, the court upheld a 2007 Polk County District Court judge's ruling that the law was unconstitutional.



    One thing about the central U.S., and the Western States, is that they often have more clarity with regard to personal freedom, and the "live and let live" mentality. (I'm from Nebraska.) They're also very much more literate, across the board, than less-literate folks who embrace false belief systems in The South, and the Northern Corridor.

    The court DID NOT really rule in favor of same-sex marriage, however. They ruled against a law that was deemed unconstitutional by the court. Don't cloud the meaning of the decision.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
    Yeah Iowa!
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:16 PM GMT


    chuckystudThe court DID NOT really rule in favor of same-sex marriage, however. They ruled against a law that was deemed unconstitutional by the court. Don't cloud the meaning of the decision.


    Forgive my lack of knowledge on legal jargon, but:

    I don't think that any clouding is going on. There was a 23 hour block where SSM was legal in Iowa, and then it was stopped, and this overturns that "stoppage", thus making it legal to get married in Iowa (the vote was unanimous, btw...).
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
    The Iowa SC unanimously struck down the 1998 law as a violation of equal protection under the Iowa Constitution.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
    warrior_poet63 said

    chuckystudThe court DID NOT really rule in favor of same-sex marriage, however. They ruled against a law that was deemed unconstitutional by the court. Don't cloud the meaning of the decision.


    Forgive my lack of knowledge on legal jargon, but:

    I don't think that any clouding is going on. There was a 23 hour block where SSM was legal in Iowa, and then it was stopped, and this overturns that "stoppage", thus making it legal to get married in Iowa (the vote was unanimous, btw...).


    No one argues that that the law was set aside by the court. However, it's not a move promoting same-sex "marriage." Some would interpret it that the law was not properly written.

    The believers of false belief systems have long sought, and still seek, a constitutional amendment to make laws banning same sex LEGAL. The decision by the court said that the law was in deference to The Constitution. In many states, efforts are under way to CHANGE The Constitution, so a court can't rule against a law.

    Under no circumstances should it be interrupted as an approval of same-sex activity, only as a law that violated The Constitution.

    Remember, The Law is not about right and wrong, but, what's law. E.g., we have 2.5 MILLION folks in jail on any given day.

    The ruling in this case said the law was bad, but, that does not me the Religious Nuts will not try to amend the Constitution, nor craft a law that's deemed constitutional. Again, the ruling is NOT a vote for gay marriage, it's just the Judicial Branch at work.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
    GO IOWA!

    I am truly happy for all the gay residents of Iowa and I hope this has an impact on the court's decision here to reverse prop 8.

    A friend posted this on his facebook...

    [url]http://theiowarepublican.com/home/2009/04/03/but-they-just-can%E2%80%99t-help-themselves/[/url]

    EDIT: Don't know why my link isn't showing up, oh well. Copy and Paste if you'd like.

    Absolutely horrible.

    In regards to this article, there are higher rates of depression and suicide due to people like this woman writing the article constantly reminding gay people and especially younger gays who are still in the coming out process feel absolutely worthless. Ugh!

    GO IOWA!
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    This is so awesome
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
    I just read, http://theiowarepublican.com/home/2009/04/03/but-they-just-can%E2%80%99t-help-themselves/ .

    It illustrates why it's so very important for folks to have a face, to be open and honest, so that articles like the aforementioned don't get given credence. Folks here on RJ could well argue that gay men we know aren't pedophiles, but, when "regular" gay guys sneak around, cheat on their spouses, lead lives of lies, and the like, it only helps to proliferate the public image of drag queens and nut cases, and bare back sex with strangers.

    The writer of the article clearly believes what she's thinking, which is so very scary. Republicans and believers of false belief systems are often without the ability to engage in critical thinking and analysis. They just believe whatever is thrown at them...whatever that malarkey might happen to be.

    I think, if more folks get honest, regardless of their sexual orientation, we can progress as a people, but, it's so important to not be all accepting and to not be an enabler to the closet cases, and the nut cases. It's in the best interest of the group, as a whole, for others to perceive the likenesses, rather than the differences.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:46 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidUnder no circumstances should it be interrupted as an approval of same-sex activity, only as a law that violated The Constitution.


    Ahem, this is incorrect, as in 3 weeks time homosexual couples in Iowa, by law, will be permitted to marry.

    You can argue that it's a rollback or whatever but to say this isn't an 'approval' is to say that Iowa State Law has no meaning, purpose, history, or passion behind it. Ridiculous.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    Maverick75 saidIowa beats California to the punch and legalizes gay marriages.


    I couldn't be more embarrassed for my state :-(
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
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    chuckystud saidUnder no circumstances should it be interrupted as an approval of same-sex activity, only as a law that violated The Constitution.


    Ahem, this is incorrect, as in 3 weeks time homosexual couples in Iowa, by law, will be permitted to marry.

    You can argue that it's a rollback or whatever but to say this isn't an 'approval' is to say that Iowa State Law has no meaning, purpose, history, or passion behind it. Ridiculous.


    I know all about precedence.

    I also know that alcohol was once illegal, and that, pot was not criminal until just a few decades ago.

    My point being is that laws all reference the constitution, the laws of the day, the public views of the day, and years of precedence.

    The folks against same-sex STILL want to amend The Constitution, just as was done with alcohol, to achieve prohibition.

    Court rulings are a reflection of the laws, and views, of the day.

    Many laws, still on the books, seem, and often are, absurd by today's views.

    The court's job is to uphold the precedent and Constitution...as they interpret it. E.g. Roe vs Wade.

    Often, law is not a reflection of morality, but of power, and the opinions of the day.

    Fortunately, there was some foresight in the layout of the government in this country, and there are checks and balances, but...that does NOT mean that the religious nuts still can't get an amendment as was done with alcohol, Black folks and the like.

    Blacks could well explain constitutional prejudice as good as anyone.

    Don't forget that each state is considered sovereign, as well.

    There's very much a long road ahead.

    The court does not endorse, not not endorse law, so to speak. The court rules on whether the law should stand based upon other laws, precedent, and the views of the day.
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    Apr 03, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    ucla_matta said
    Maverick75 saidIowa beats California to the punch and legalizes gay marriages.


    I couldn't be more embarrassed for my state :-(


    Well for the record, IA generally is more progressive than the rest of the nation concerning civil rights (including CA). See: http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.Iml?Article=154322
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    Apr 03, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    warrior_poet63 said
    ucla_matta said
    Maverick75 saidIowa beats California to the punch and legalizes gay marriages.


    I couldn't be more embarrassed for my state :-(


    Well for the record, IA generally is more progressive than the rest of the nation concerning civil rights (including CA). See: http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.Iml?Article=154322


    Yep, being from Nebraska (I've been in Texas 14 years), I've watched Nebraska turn over laws regarding pot, speeding, motorcycle helmets and the like.

    E.g. 10 miles over is no points on the license, and a simple fine.
    E.g. They lost funds over the helmet thing because they didn't mandate it.
    E.g. Same thing with seatbelts.
    E.g. Pot- 100 fine and court costs.

    And so on.


    Folks in The Plains tend not only to be more educated, but, more "live and let live."

    The South tends to play follow the leader, and takes a much more punitive approach (like churches).
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    Apr 03, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Question - maybe someone from Iowa can answer this.
    How easy is it to overturn this ruling? I am sure the opponents will be looking for ways. Constitutional amendment?