Ok well that is a start, and it actually might not be unhealthy. in your first week or so of weightloss there is often a dramatic loss which is actually water weight.
but don't fuck being healthy. don't cut your calories too much or you will actually prevent yourself from losing weight because your body will go into starvation mode. are you using a calorie counting site?
Probably water weight. Get in the habit of weighing yourself every day, you'll see your weight can vary by as much as 10 lbs over the course of even a few hours.
You've got to be the first person I've ever seen suggest to weigh yourself daily. Most trainers say to weigh yourself at MOST once per week for the very reason you said - your weight can vary daily.
jrunner25 saidwow...debbie downer, dont kill his mood!
It's not about killing someone's mood. It's setting realistic expectations and attainable goals. If someone expects to continue to lose 8-10 lbs per week, they're in for a surprise. Weight loss is not easy or instantaneous. It requires serious commitment and hard work.
Not that I'm saying you can't do it, NoName, but ... if your losses start to decrease, be patient and keep at it. It's all about persistence and healthy diet/exercise habits!
Any exercise/health professional will tell you the same thing.
Bouncing up and down with unhealthy weight loss and crash dieting will just end up leaving you heavier, fatter and completely drained of motivation and a sense of complete futility
Aim for a 2-3lbs per week, 1800-2000kCals per day in frequent small meals, high protein low fat & sugar, moderate increase in daily exercise 20-30mins and it'll be gone for good and you won't feel like crap.
My general experience in weight loss/gain is you move in terms of a general trend at a modest rate of 1-4 lbs a week. You'll see a trend in one direction or the other with a fair amount of variance along the way, and it's not uncommon to have a hefty bounce here and there in either direction. You can't go by numbers when you weigh--you go by overall trend.
The reason for daily weighing is to desensitize yourself to the bouncing (so you don't beat yourself over the head when you see yourself swinging a couple pounds in the wrong direction). You're better-able to get an idea of what your weight's doing if you monitor it reasonably often and adjust as you see fit.
Anyone who's seen the last season of Weeds will probably remember the fat guy who was all excited that he weighed himself for the first time in a blue moon and saw his weight down 10 lbs ("I'm back down to my high school weight!!") Poor victim of bouncing water weight and lack of real expectations LOL!
Actually, the fact that weight can vary so much is an argument to weigh yourself more often, not less often. Weigh yourself every day and it'll be pretty obvious whether a given reading is an outlier. Weigh yourself only once a week and it'll be very hard to know whether you've got more or less water in you than normal.
Essentially, the noisier the data, the more measurements you take if you want an accurate reading.
Dont listen to them, NoName. The rest of us know what a set of multiple challenges you face in battling your weight. This is a great achievement on your part. Keep up the good work!
NoName, if you know what's good for you, I hope you will continue updating us on your progress, both good and bad. You will continue to have frustrations and you need constant feedback if you're going to get through this.
MSU, the reason why you do NOT want to weigh yourself everyday is because all negative feelings you get from gaining weight far outweighs the positive feelings you get when you do see progress. I'd get pissed and frustrated when I weighed myself and saw myself gain 2 lbs. much more intensely that associated with satisfaction when I lost 2 lbs. This is one instance where scientific evidence works against applied practiceyou don't care about accuracy here. The weight loss contest I was in advocated only once a week weighing, but I got away with twice a week because I was able to see progress at that level.
I guess I'm just more of a Vulcan than most people are. Knowing that the measurement is going to be inaccurate means that I would never put much stock in a single weighing if I had many to work with. If the weighings were rare, however, there'd be little choice but to put stock in the few numbers I had available. Sure, the more often you weigh yourself the more often you'll see a number that's higher than the time before. But, at the same time, you'll see that the general trend over time is downward. If you only weigh yourself once a week, there are going to be times when fluctuation in water retention make it look like you've gained weight even if you've actually lost fat over the course of the week. I would think that thinking you had made no progress over an entire week would be much more disheartening.
Then again, I'm the sort who plugs daily numbers into a spreadsheet and runs a regression on the points, looking at both the slope (which gives you the trend) and the R-squared value (which tells you how well the points correspond to that line). That might not be typical.
Having grown up in a house hold where there was ALWAYS some sort of diet/post diet euphoria/weight gain etc etc up and down up and down:
You have to be realistic. You have had a motivating start, and Iīm glad for that positive energy. The pattern will drop down to losing 1-2lb a week (approx). THAT IS FINE. Do not fall into the starvation trap, if you do you WILL GAIN WEIGHT.
I also go for daily weighing... same time same amount of food in the stomach every day, simply to desensitivize you to the numbers and so you can see real trends. BUt anyone who has dieted or lived around dieters knows that the ONLY way to keep losing is to do it by lifestyle change, change in your eating habits, and tastes. Only then will you lose weight in a way that doesnīt damage you and that you can keep off.
It may be fine for you, but I don't have time for 1-2 pounds per week. Not if I want to be at goal in 6 months.
Lostboy saidHaving grown up in a house hold where there was ALWAYS some sort of diet/post diet euphoria/weight gain etc etc up and down up and down:
You have to be realistic. You have had a motivating start, and Iīm glad for that positive energy. The pattern will drop down to losing 1-2lb a week (approx). THAT IS FINE. Do not fall into the starvation trap, if you do you WILL GAIN WEIGHT.
I also go for daily weighing... same time same amount of food in the stomach every day, simply to desensitivize you to the numbers and so you can see real trends. BUt anyone who has dieted or lived around dieters knows that the ONLY way to keep losing is to do it by lifestyle change, change in your eating habits, and tastes. Only then will you lose weight in a way that doesnīt damage you and that you can keep off.
ruggie saidHow many pounds do you intend to remove in half a year?
150
1 pound of fat = 3,500 calories
150 in six months = 25lbs a month or 6.25 lbs a week
So you will need 3,125 daily calorie deficit
If the average male maintenance calories if 2,500 you will have to increase your exercise by 1,625 calories a day which for me would mean running a 10 min mile for about 12 miles (2 hours)
I'm if your what 320-350lbs, and if you have absolutely no energy from extreme calorie restriction it's going to take you twice as long.
SO...taking all of this into account you must run on a treadmill for 4 hours a day and eat nothing but zero calories foods ie living off of lettuce and diet coke
I'm all in favor of shooting for the stars and it still being an achievement if you make it halfway there but seriously if you think that you can do this your deluded
Hey NoName, While I'd rather you do things in a more healthy way, I understand your frustration and wanted to tell you a success story that a coworker of mine dropped a lot of weight by basically eating nothing (like one meal a day or something like that). I'm rooting for you, ... just please keep posting to us BOTH about your progress and your frustrations. You have a tendency to just bog down on the negative and that just leads to a vicious cycle of getting nowhere and eventually gaining the weight back.
I don't want to be less than encouraging with someone's weight loss, but to achieve your goal, your average weekly weight loss would have to be 5.75 pounds. This is greater than a 20,000 kcal deficit per week. While I'm sure it's not past the extreme bounds of being in the Guinness book, I think there are very, very few individuals that could maintain a 20 megacal weekly caloric deficit and remain compliant each and every week with that rigorous criteria.
Hey, if you're that magical man, terrific! More likely, you might fail on this goal (weight in time) you've set for yourself. Why not make your first goal to lose 50 pounds in that six months, or say you'll lose the 150 pounds in one year's time? Set a realistic goal you know you can make.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
Well, alright. My mother has always been a big woman. Hips that could birth a nation and breasts that could feed them. She did weight watchers, she did Jenny, she did Atkins, she has done every diet every marketed for the 20 years I can remember her struggling with her weight.
But, she saw a nutritionist. They made a plan together for life, not just until the weight comes off. My mother is now trimmer than she has been in 30 years. So, she has been there, and it is the truth.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
September 2005 - February 2006
210-140lbs
Averaging about 2.75lbs a week
I'm not sure why a regular person, unless they were extremely small, would wish to weigh 140 pounds. That being said it's very easy to drop 3 pounds a week if you're very active and not eating nearly enough. Over about 1.5 pounds a week, and without an anabolic agent, you'll lose LOTS of muscle, and you'll end up with a much slower metabolism at the end.
Sounds about right. I gain weight roughly the same rate if I eat hard (135 lbs 08/07 - 208 lbs 05/08 for an average of 2.28 lbs a week). Takes work to go in either direction.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
Iīve watched it. We grew up knowing the calorific value of every fucking thing we ate. Of course the chocolate that was eaten when no-one could see was never counted. Why is my diet not working? bla bla bla.
The statement does not need validity added. It is true. Unless you have a gastric bypass or something similar...
But I think that is my last response to your dieting posts. You will do just exactly what you want to.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
September 2005 - February 2006
210-140lbs
Averaging about 2.75lbs a week
I'm not sure why a regular person, unless they were extremely small, would wish to weigh 140 pounds. That being said it's very easy to drop 3 pounds a week if you're very active and not eating nearly enough. Over about 1.5 pounds a week, and without an anabolic agent, you'll lose LOTS of muscle, and you'll end up with a much slower metabolism at the end.
I was a kid...social conditioning.....skinny = good/has value to the world
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
September 2005 - February 2006
210-140lbs
Averaging about 2.75lbs a week
I'm not sure why a regular person, unless they were extremely small, would wish to weigh 140 pounds. That being said it's very easy to drop 3 pounds a week if you're very active and not eating nearly enough. Over about 1.5 pounds a week, and without an anabolic agent, you'll lose LOTS of muscle, and you'll end up with a much slower metabolism at the end.
I'm 140 lbs. It works well for me. I can get into small places. I'm like a ninja, Chucky
That is why it really doesn't matter whether the person making the statement has personally experienced significant weight loss or not. What qualifies you to speak knowledgeably about what works and what doesn't is understanding nutrition and exercise physiology, not a personal history of weight loss. Just as I don't have to have worked as a mortician to tell you how embalming works, I don't need to have lost 150 pounds to tell you how people do that in a healthy manner. People who have actually done so are more qualified to speak about how hard it is to do, but not automatically more qualified to say how to do it well.
"Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!" says all too much.
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
I can give you my mothers email address if you want? she was obese she is not a trim 130 pounds at 5'4''. she will tell you the same thing this crash diet of yours will set you up for failure. my mother constantly put on and took of the same so pounds for years every time she took off twenty though she put on twenty five.
I am telling you right now what you are doing will kill you. if you try to continue to lose 6 pounds a week you will die. no questions asked. in a week your metabolism is going to crash first off and you will stop losing weight because your body is going to start hoarding everything it has because it expects to starve forever. it is not possible for you to drop 150 pounds and get to goal in 6 months. you will begin to burn muscle instead of fat which includes heart muscle and you will drop dead of a heart attack.
I think you and I have a habit of reading the title of the thread and responding to that more often than we do to the actually meat of the post itself, lol. love your lolcatz!
I guess I'm atypical. When I set out to lose weight, I lost 20 pounds the first month, 10 pounds the second and then another 30 over the next six months. But it was due to seriously restricted caloric intake (and calorie counting) and a hell of a lot of cardio. It's been seven years and it's still off.
I also DO weigh myself every day on a scale that's accurate to + or - 0.1 pounds. Daily weight can fluctuate, but I also keep a spreadsheet of my weight each day (and have for just over ten years) with a three and seven day moving average. MSUBionerd's right - the statistical outliers become readily apparent in the data - especially when graphed. And the trend lines of the 3 and 7 day moving averages smooth the data to give a better visual representation of where your weight is really headed.
All you need nowadays is access to an accurate scale, a calorie counting program (such as Lose It! for iPhone) and a spreadsheet program. Forget the 'miracle' pills, lotions, etc. Weight loss is just math. Burn more calories than you ingest (and ingest/eat intelligently) and you're fine.
PSC the problem is he is not doing this intelligently, everytime someone gives him advice for how to do it intelligently he says fuck you you were never fat you have no clue what I have to go through, or how to do this
What he should say thank you for your advice you are skinny so maybe you have an idea of what it takes to be skinny and I will graciously accept your advice
chungo44 saidPSC the problem is he is not doing this intelligently, everytime someone gives him advice for how to do it intelligently he says fuck you you were never fat you have no clue what I have to go through, or how to do this
What he should say thank you for your advice you are skinny so maybe you have an idea of what it takes to be skinny and I will graciously accept your advice
Well he won't take it from fat people either, so I guess he's not really looking for advice after all.
My "method" was declared too slow to be considered. *shrug*
Sorry I don't have a fat-no-more wand. (Would have used it on myself already!)
ruggie said Well he won't take it from fat people either, so I guess he's not really looking for advice after all.
It's all for attention. He's just looking for someone to say "it's ok that you're fat and it's not your fault" by coming up with plans for deliberate failure and shooting down any attempts to correct his deluded perspective on health and weight loss.
I think a massive attitude adjustment is in order:
NoNameGuy saidIt wasn't easy, I wasn't perfect, but I did it.
Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!
I see Chris and Jeff gave me a way to undo TPI (Total Permanent Ignore).
Mr. NNG, you've been going on with this pissy attitude for nearly two years now, and I understand that you're half a world away, and of little consequence to me, but, you honestly, I feel, should seek a professional's help, rather than setting yourself up to hear what you already know.
Every gram of carbs bonds with one gram of water, and, as you initially de-carb, you drop a BUNCH of water.
More importantly, and I've said this repeatedly to you over the years, you need to modify your behavior, find something you enjoy, and go from there. Understand, you didn't get to be a fat pig overnight, and you won't get to be a regular person in a day, a week, or likely, even a month. It took years of bad behavior for you to get where you are, and it'll take considerable time to get you to be a regular person again.
You need to learn everything about your body and exercise that you can. You need to stay active. You need to stay positive, do resistance training, eat properly, rest properly, and be patient. If you're a whiny fat ass, no one will want anything to do with you. Even if you're a skinny whiny ass, no one will want anything to do with you.
Get up, take action, and change your lifestyle, instead of being such a little whiner. Stop it. It gains you no friends. It does not advance your goals. It is not energy that can help you or others.
I meet folks on a fairly regular basis who HAVE successfully changed their lives. They do it because they WANTED it. They learned a new way of living.
You're a big boy now, and you need take responsibility for your digits and behavior. Those are the facts of life.
Many folks, including me, are compassionate, but you are not on a path that even the most sympathetic can be supportive of.
ruggie said Well he won't take it from fat people either, so I guess he's not really looking for advice after all.
It's all for attention. He's just looking for someone to say "it's ok that you're fat and it's not your fault" by coming up with plans for deliberate failure and shooting down any attempts to correct his deluded perspective on health and weight loss.
I think a massive attitude adjustment is in order:
this is pretty much what my dad's cardiologist said after the heart attack except it was smoking and the doctor said "you can give up smoking or you can give up living your choice"
Yo-yo dieting is really a waste of time. It will leave you feeling worse.
Maybe with exercise you MIGHT manage a steady 3lb a week. But you didnīt get to your present weight in 6 months. There is no natural way of getting rid of it in 6 months.
Why do people who have never been there ALWAYS say that? Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement.
September 2005 - February 2006
210-140lbs
Averaging about 2.75lbs a week
I'm not sure why a regular person, unless they were extremely small, would wish to weigh 140 pounds. That being said it's very easy to drop 3 pounds a week if you're very active and not eating nearly enough. Over about 1.5 pounds a week, and without an anabolic agent, you'll lose LOTS of muscle, and you'll end up with a much slower metabolism at the end.
I was a kid...social conditioning.....skinny = good/has value to the world
Wow, you too? I've been nothing more than a # on a scale since the day I was born.
halltd saidYou've got to be the first person I've ever seen suggest to weigh yourself daily. Most trainers say to weigh yourself at MOST once per week for the very reason you said - your weight can vary daily.
When I became determined to gain weight I put my scale in front of my refrigerator and I weigh myself constantly. Yes, your weight will vary greatly over the day but if you do it enough you will get used to the changes and see how and what you need to do for your goals.
ruggie said Well he won't take it from fat people either, so I guess he's not really looking for advice after all.
It's all for attention. He's just looking for someone to say "it's ok that you're fat and it's not your fault" by coming up with plans for deliberate failure and shooting down any attempts to correct his deluded perspective on health and weight loss.
I think a massive attitude adjustment is in order:
Really? I guess I need some self-awareness because I completely missed that.
ruggie saidHow many pounds do you intend to remove in half a year?
150
1 pound of fat = 3,500 calories
150 in six months = 25lbs a month or 6.25 lbs a week
So you will need 3,125 daily calorie deficit
If the average male maintenance calories if 2,500 you will have to increase your exercise by 1,625 calories a day which for me would mean running a 10 min mile for about 12 miles (2 hours)
I'm if your what 320-350lbs, and if you have absolutely no energy from extreme calorie restriction it's going to take you twice as long.
SO...taking all of this into account you must run on a treadmill for 4 hours a day and eat nothing but zero calories foods ie living off of lettuce and diet coke
I'm all in favor of shooting for the stars and it still being an achievement if you make it halfway there but seriously if you think that you can do this your deluded
ruggie said Well he won't take it from fat people either, so I guess he's not really looking for advice after all.
It's all for attention. He's just looking for someone to say "it's ok that you're fat and it's not your fault" by coming up with plans for deliberate failure and shooting down any attempts to correct his deluded perspective on health and weight loss.
I think a massive attitude adjustment is in order:
Really? I guess I need some self-awareness because I completely missed that.
Doh! You really don't get it do you? LOL. Come now, you're not that short on brain matter. If you're a fattie, you are 10 times more likely to have catastrophic disease costing more than 100k. You're, like smokers, twice as likely to miss work than a regular person. You WILL die younger than a regular person. Study the graphic. Flex nailed it.
NoNameGuy saidIt wasn't easy, I wasn't perfect, but I did it.
Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!
I see Chris and Jeff gave me a way to undo TPI (Total Permanent Ignore).
Mr. NNG, you've been going on with this pissy attitude for nearly two years now, and I understand that you're half a world away, and of little consequence to me, but, you honestly, I feel, should seek a professional's help, rather than setting yourself up to hear what you already know.
Every gram of carbs bonds with one gram of water, and, as you initially de-carb, you drop a BUNCH of water.
More importantly, and I've said this repeatedly to you over the years, you need to modify your behavior, find something you enjoy, and go from there. Understand, you didn't get to be a fat pig overnight, and you won't get to be a regular person in a day, a week, or likely, even a month. It took years of bad behavior for you to get where you are, and it'll take considerable time to get you to be a regular person again.
You need to learn everything about your body and exercise that you can. You need to stay active. You need to stay positive, do resistance training, eat properly, rest properly, and be patient. If you're a whiny fat ass, no one will want anything to do with you. Even if you're a skinny whiny ass, no one will want anything to do with you.
Get up, take action, and change your lifestyle, instead of being such a little whiner. Stop it. It gains you no friends. It does not advance your goals. It is not energy that can help you or others.
I meet folks on a fairly regular basis who HAVE successfully changed their lives. They do it because they WANTED it. They learned a new way of living.
You're a big boy now, and you need take responsibility for your digits and behavior. Those are the facts of life.
Many folks, including me, are compassionate, but you are not on a path that even the most sympathetic can be supportive of.
There's a group of people in society that you feel the need to harass, shame, name-call, etc. as a way of projecting your own insecurities and I need professional help?! Puhleeze!
NoNameGuy saidIt wasn't easy, I wasn't perfect, but I did it.
Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!
I see Chris and Jeff gave me a way to undo TPI (Total Permanent Ignore).
Mr. NNG, you've been going on with this pissy attitude for nearly two years now, and I understand that you're half a world away, and of little consequence to me, but, you honestly, I feel, should seek a professional's help, rather than setting yourself up to hear what you already know.
Every gram of carbs bonds with one gram of water, and, as you initially de-carb, you drop a BUNCH of water.
More importantly, and I've said this repeatedly to you over the years, you need to modify your behavior, find something you enjoy, and go from there. Understand, you didn't get to be a fat pig overnight, and you won't get to be a regular person in a day, a week, or likely, even a month. It took years of bad behavior for you to get where you are, and it'll take considerable time to get you to be a regular person again.
You need to learn everything about your body and exercise that you can. You need to stay active. You need to stay positive, do resistance training, eat properly, rest properly, and be patient. If you're a whiny fat ass, no one will want anything to do with you. Even if you're a skinny whiny ass, no one will want anything to do with you.
Get up, take action, and change your lifestyle, instead of being such a little whiner. Stop it. It gains you no friends. It does not advance your goals. It is not energy that can help you or others.
I meet folks on a fairly regular basis who HAVE successfully changed their lives. They do it because they WANTED it. They learned a new way of living.
You're a big boy now, and you need take responsibility for your digits and behavior. Those are the facts of life.
Many folks, including me, are compassionate, but you are not on a path that even the most sympathetic can be supportive of.
There's a group of people in society that you feel the need to harass, shame, name-call, etc. as a way of projecting your own insecurities and I need professional help?! Puhleeze!
NoNameGuy, I have no time at all for Chucky and his name calling and insults and his constant need to boost his ego, but I have to say, there are a few guys on here that have really tried to help you, and encourage you to get to where you want to go, and all you seem to do is through it back in their faces. I wish you well, and hope you get to where you want to go, but you seriously need to change your attitude and get some manners.
NoNameGuy saidIt wasn't easy, I wasn't perfect, but I did it.
Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!
I see Chris and Jeff gave me a way to undo TPI (Total Permanent Ignore).
Mr. NNG, you've been going on with this pissy attitude for nearly two years now, and I understand that you're half a world away, and of little consequence to me, but, you honestly, I feel, should seek a professional's help, rather than setting yourself up to hear what you already know.
Every gram of carbs bonds with one gram of water, and, as you initially de-carb, you drop a BUNCH of water.
More importantly, and I've said this repeatedly to you over the years, you need to modify your behavior, find something you enjoy, and go from there. Understand, you didn't get to be a fat pig overnight, and you won't get to be a regular person in a day, a week, or likely, even a month. It took years of bad behavior for you to get where you are, and it'll take considerable time to get you to be a regular person again.
You need to learn everything about your body and exercise that you can. You need to stay active. You need to stay positive, do resistance training, eat properly, rest properly, and be patient. If you're a whiny fat ass, no one will want anything to do with you. Even if you're a skinny whiny ass, no one will want anything to do with you.
Get up, take action, and change your lifestyle, instead of being such a little whiner. Stop it. It gains you no friends. It does not advance your goals. It is not energy that can help you or others.
I meet folks on a fairly regular basis who HAVE successfully changed their lives. They do it because they WANTED it. They learned a new way of living.
You're a big boy now, and you need take responsibility for your digits and behavior. Those are the facts of life.
Many folks, including me, are compassionate, but you are not on a path that even the most sympathetic can be supportive of.
There's a group of people in society that you feel the need to harass, shame, name-call, etc. as a way of projecting your own insecurities and I need professional help?! Puhleeze!
That's why folks are not behind you. You have a really bad attitude. I certainly don't recall calling you a name. You may be a fattie; that describes you adeptly. You're also a whiner, and have been for years, which is also accurate.
If you continue as you are, you'll continue to fail.
I have emails from former fatties praising my views. I don't care that you don't like them, and, if you'd shape up, you'd advance, but, you refuse to.
Noname... Psychiatrist, go see one!... I am not a skinny boy all my life, in the previous thread you started, I told you how I went from 255/260 down to 180 in a matter of about 6 to 8 months... 150 lbs in 6 months is a bit much for your goal. Why is it 6 months? Why cant it be by the end of 2009 I will be at a healthier weight and slowly let the rest come off in time. I still dont know why I am replying to this post. You have replied to everyone all over again with a pisspoor attitude. Thats great you see 8 lbs go in the week, but, you can't expect that everyweek. My suggestion DONT GET ON A SCALE!...Do what you are doing, exercise and eat healthy and make sure to get around 1800 to 2200 calories a day or else your body will cease to burn fat as efficiently as it can. I would after a month get on the scale... get a body tape measure and measure your chest, stomach(around belly button), your thighs. You should see loss in these, you might not see weight loss on a scale but u can see body composition loss.. Best of luck. I wont give any more advice to you. I have done so in the past and you ignore and bash it. So do what you are doing.
That is why it really doesn't matter whether the person making the statement has personally experienced significant weight loss or not. What qualifies you to speak knowledgeably about what works and what doesn't is understanding nutrition and exercise physiology, not a personal history of weight loss. Just as I don't have to have worked as a mortician to tell you how embalming works, I don't need to have lost 150 pounds to tell you how people do that in a healthy manner. People who have actually done so are more qualified to speak about how hard it is to do, but not automatically more qualified to say how to do it well.
"Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!" says all too much.
That is why it really doesn't matter whether the person making the statement has personally experienced significant weight loss or not. What qualifies you to speak knowledgeably about what works and what doesn't is understanding nutrition and exercise physiology, not a personal history of weight loss. Just as I don't have to have worked as a mortician to tell you how embalming works, I don't need to have lost 150 pounds to tell you how people do that in a healthy manner. People who have actually done so are more qualified to speak about how hard it is to do, but not automatically more qualified to say how to do it well.
"Fuck healthy weightloss! I'll worry about being healthy later!" says all too much.
You don't get it.
Oh, I think he does.
Here's another thread, right here on RJ, from a former fatass, that might give you some guidance.
notsoomuch23 saidNoname... Psychiatrist, go see one!... I am not a skinny boy all my life, in the previous thread you started, I told you how I went from 255/260 down to 180 in a matter of about 6 to 8 months... 150 lbs in 6 months is a bit much for your goal. Why is it 6 months? Why cant it be by the end of 2009 I will be at a healthier weight and slowly let the rest come off in time. I still dont know why I am replying to this post. You have replied to everyone all over again with a pisspoor attitude. Thats great you see 8 lbs go in the week, but, you can't expect that everyweek. My suggestion DONT GET ON A SCALE!...Do what you are doing, exercise and eat healthy and make sure to get around 1800 to 2200 calories a day or else your body will cease to burn fat as efficiently as it can. I would after a month get on the scale... get a body tape measure and measure your chest, stomach(around belly button), your thighs. You should see loss in these, you might not see weight loss on a scale but u can see body composition loss.. Best of luck. I wont give any more advice to you. I have done so in the past and you ignore and bash it. So do what you are doing.
If I don't get it, then explain what you're convinced I don't get. And, in the process, answer the question that keeps being asked of you: what, in the paragraphs of advice you've been given, do you object to?
It's easier to just say that no one understands than it to deal with advice that isn't what you want to hear.
If I don't get it, then explain what you're convinced I don't get. And, in the process, answer the question that keeps being asked of you: what, in the paragraphs of advice you've been given, do you object to?
It's easier to just say that no one understands than it to deal with advice that isn't what you want to hear.
When did I say I objected to it? It wasn't the plan I objected to, it was the abuse I received.
You objected to it when you said that it wasn't fast enough and that people like me just didn't get it because we don't know what it's like. I can't give you the exact quote because you've since had the thread removed (thereby making that advice no longer available to anyone because you didn't like some of the responses in the thread; I had someone message me to say that he found the advice useful and would be following it himself, but let's hope he printed it out because it's gone now), but you asked for advice on how to lose something like 150 pounds in 6 months. We told you that that rate of weight loss was neither healthy nor sustainable, and then I gave you reams of specific actions to take, and several of us offered to help you adjust your diet if you'd take the time and effort to record your normal food consumption. We asked if you were capable of doing a number of different types of activity, as your foot surgery ruled out running and a staph infection ruled out swimming. You didn't respond to any of that, but you did respond to the posts you found insulting.
I stand by my post: anecdote does not equal data. You don't have to have personally done something to know how it's done. Experience does not necessarily grant knowledge, nor is it the only path to knowledge. You probably have to have done something to be able to speak informatively on how easy or difficult it is, but experience is not a requirement to be able to say whether it's healthy. It's the same way that I can tell you that if you're diabetic you need to carefully monitor your blood sugar and calibrate your insulin injections or else you risk severe medical problems up to and including death. I don't need to be diabetic to know that, any more than I need to have lost 150 pounds to know what the data show is the healthy, sustainable way to do so.
Here you go... I made a copy - it is/was great advice! I thought it might disappear!
MSUBioNerd Apr 02, 2009 8:33 PM GM
NoNameGuy, the advice that's been given to you in the past has been very consistent. You've decided that you didn't like it, and didn't follow it, and haven't gotten the results you wanted. It's understandable that people get frustrated telling you what you need to do, and having you not do it.
That being said, the major points once again.
Weight loss happens when calories in - calories out is a negative number. Your ideal number per day is about -500. That will be a pound of fat a week, which is about as fast as you can hope to sustain without your metabolism slowing down drastically because your body switches into starvation mode. I know you want to lose weight faster than that, but if you try to operate on a daily calorie deficit of anything more than about 500, your metabolism will slow and/or your body will look to your muscles as a source of energy, instead of just your fat deposits. You won't get the results you want in the long term.
Your first assignment is to write down everything you eat or drink for the next week. Everything. That means figuring out portion sizes as well. Be completely honest in this; if you're not, you're only hurting yourself. Once you do this, you can figure out your daily caloric needs. Most likely, you'll be looking to eat 300 fewer in a day, and burn 200 more than you have been. How much is 300 calories? 2 slices of bread and 1 ounce of cheese. Less than 1 of those bags of junk food sold right near the cash register at a convenience store or a grocery store. Less than a muffin from a coffee shop. Most tall frappuccinos from Starbucks. 1 cup of ice cream. Is there any item on that list where you could not eat it in a day and not feel like you're starving?
If you're unable/unwilling to pay a real nutritionist, there are people on this site who will be willing to help you adjust your diet and exercise program. If you actually write down everything you've eaten or drunk for a week, including all the portion sizes, I'll volunteer to help you figure out what you can change. The caveat is, whoever you go to for advice, you actually need to listen to. Most people will be willing to adjust things if you have specific things you would want to change, but you'll have to accept that there will be some changes to what you're used to eating. "I really don't like green peppers, is there some other vegetable I could use in their place?" is a perfectly reasonable thing to say; "The only vegetables I'll eat are potatoes and corn" is not.
As a first step toward fixing your diet, focus on eating more slowly, with smaller portions, at more regular intervals throughout the day. It's tempting to think that skipping a meal will help. It won't Make sure you get some protein in each meal, as that will lead to more stable blood sugar than relying just on carbohydrates, and that will help out not only your weight loss but also your diabetes.
Instead of focusing on what you're not allowed to eat, start out by consciously eating at least something each day which you know is good for you. Spend the $20-$30 it would cost to get a vegetable steamer and steam a package of frozen vegetables each day, at least until the fresh produce of the summer comes out. Broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, and spinach are always really cheap in the frozen vegetable section of the market. Squash, asparagus, and okra all go on sale at times too. Keep at it and you'll actually start to like some things you didn't in the past. Flavor your vegetables with spices like garlic or pepper, instead of butter of cheese sauces; it's amazing how much better green beans taste with a little pepper than when they're plain.
Once you're used to doing that, there are plenty of very easy substitutions you can make. 100% whole grain breads and pastas in place of white ones; long grain, brown, and wild rice in place of white rice; skim or 1% milk instead of 2% or whole; whole fruit (not juice and not dried) when you want something sweet; egg whites in place of whole eggs. In reality, scrambled egg whites are very filling for how few calories they contain, and they take very little time to cook. If you need a condiment, look into salsa or mustard instead of ketchup or mayo.
Cook your own food; you'll know what you put in it. You may feel like you're too busy to. You're not; I've gone periods working 70 hours each week for months at a time and still only eaten out something like once every two weeks. 5 minutes of effort in the morning sticking things into a Crockpot will give you a hot meal as soon as you walk in the door in the evening. Another 5 minutes with a blender can give you a very healthy smoothie if you're the sort who just doesn't like to eat a breakfast. The scrambled eggs mentioned above can go from ingredients in your fridge to food on your table in less than 10 minutes. You can also make large batches of food just a couple times a week, and then have leftovers for lunch or the next night's dinner. You can make a large pot of soup or chili, store the extra in portion-sized plastic containers, and have soup ready to just be reheated on the stove or in the microwave.
Don't have food in your house which you know you shouldn't be eating. Some people can handle that, but from your past I'd say that you'll find it easier to simply not buy the potato chips in the first place than to only eat 10 of them in a day.
Foot surgery and a staph infection would pretty much rule out running and swimming. I would also probably avoid things like jumping rope. However, between walking, elliptical machines, bicycles, handbikes, and stairs, there has to be some form of cardio exercise you can do. The typical person burns 100 calories a mile walking, and can walk 2 miles in about half an hour.
Fitness and health are not linear. There are times when you'll make a lot more progress than what we're saying is to be expected, and you'll feel great and that we're clueless. There will be times when you don't see any changes, and those will be frustrating. It's also completely normal. The key is finding some method of making yourself stick with it even when you don't feel like it. So, ask yourself: "What makes me most likely to stick with something unpleasant?" Maybe you like the satisfaction of seeing the effort you put in, and you'd benefit from buying a big piece of poster board, drawing out a calendar, and literally giving yourself a gold star every day you follow your diet (on one piece) and your exercise plan (on another). Maybe you like seeing your improvements, so you should chart your progress so you can see how far you've come. Maybe you're more externally motivated, so you'd do best by posting your progress every week and knowing that others will make comments so you need to have something to show for the week. Maybe you take responsibility for others easier than you do for yourself, and having a dog will make you take it for a walk a couple times a day even when you don't want to. It doesn't matter which route you pick, just as long as you're honest enough to figure out what works for you and do it.
Is this advice that you'll listen to this time, or have I wasted my time writing it out again?
Anyone encouraging you to loose weight in a dangerous way shouldn't be giving you any advice. You need to be focused on your body composition, not just how many pounds you weigh. You didn't loose eight pounds of fat.
I really do like that you are setting a deadline to get results. It is the cornerstone of my own program. You can do this and you can do this a better way. You just need a solid nutrition program and a fitness program that you can do that will make you feel good.
This journey of transformation that you want shouldn't be hell. It should be a fantastic experience that lets you enjoy life in ways you haven't before. It should also be something sustainable. Let me be someone here who can support you. I can relate to what you are going through, look at my profile, I was there myself.
I really admire your desire and effort to transform. With that type of determination you could be the hottest stud on here.
