Former KKK member Makes Powerful Apologies for His Actions in the Past.

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    Apr 05, 2009 9:08 AM GMT
    If you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology
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    Apr 05, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidIf you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology


    I honestly don't know how I feel about this. Gonna have to give it some thought.
    I'm certainly amazed that he's now been given the hero moniker. hmmmmmm on second thought, perhaps not after all
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 05, 2009 2:15 PM GMT
    I'm not entirely sure about this guy. His atonement is more about his salvation than it is about the Black community's justice.

    It reminds me of how many die-hard Republicans whore out Israel in the name of their own heavenly salvation.
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    Apr 05, 2009 2:18 PM GMT


    This didn't impress me...

    "And I found out there is no way I could be saved and get to heaven and still not like blacks."

    So, it seems this is just his modus operandi for avoiding a hell he obviously believes in and fears he's going to..fear can be an amazing motivator, but does not confer sincerity.


    -Doug

    PS I think beating a black man senseless in '61 is doing something bad to someone.
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    Apr 05, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    This didn't impress me...

    "And I found out there is no way I could be saved and get to heaven and still not like blacks."

    So, it seems this is just his modus operandi for avoiding a hell he obviously believes in and fears he's going to..fear can be an amazing motivator, but does not confer sincerity.


    -Doug

    PS I think beating a black man senseless in '61 is doing something bad to someone.


    That's it - I just don't feel the sincerity. But who am I to sayicon_confused.gif
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    Apr 05, 2009 2:29 PM GMT

    Hey, you're exactly the one of the ones entitled to say!
  • Klutch84

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    Apr 05, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    I think it's bullshit, but eh... He won't get straight to heaven tho. He'll go through Purgatory and ascend his way into Heaven slowly. Sure as hell beats Dante's Inferno of Hell.
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    Apr 05, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
    Nothing there is motivated from the heart, he's just being a little bitch.
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    Apr 05, 2009 4:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Hey, you're exactly the one of the ones entitled to say!


    yeah true, but i would like to think that i can take the high road and say that "i forgive him". that it's a good thing he eventually came to his senses. i just get the impression though that if he didn't have failing health ...icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 05, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    I have never seen a more perfect use for the saying:
    "A leopard never changes his spots."
    That kind of blind hatred is in him permanently. He can pretend, maybe even fool himself into believing it, but deep down....it's there. Waiting for the "right" moment.
    That is as believable as a repuGlican embracing the Gay community and being in favour of Us having all the rights as the breeder world.

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    Apr 05, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    I can forgive all! I suppose it could take time, and I'd never forget, but forgive I could do for anyone and more importantly it's about doing it for yourself!
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidIf you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology


    Let's see if any of our racist RJ members can follow his example. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    Speaking of Rev. Phelps, I would never forgive him for the horrible things he's said about us.

    He came to my campus when we were putting on The Laramie Project, and he stayed in town for a few days, camped out at our performing arts building with his little cronies for the first couple of performances.

    It was actually kind of unifying, so many college students with anti-phelps buttons on our backpacks to protest his protest. But silver lining aside, I do not like that man or respect him.

    I don't actively think about him, and I don't wish him some horrible tragedy, but I would not accept an apology from him. And I don't think that makes me a bad person for not being forgiving.
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
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    cjcscuba1984 saidIf you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology


    Let's see if any of our racist RJ members can follow his example. icon_rolleyes.gif


    racist members on hereicon_question.gificon_exclaim.gif say it's not soicon_razz.gificon_surprised.gif
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    I can't say whether his apology is genuine, but when you are foreseeing that you will shortly be meeting your maker, remorse would be a good virtue to exhibiticon_confused.gif
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:40 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    meninlove said

    This didn't impress me...

    "And I found out there is no way I could be saved and get to heaven and still not like blacks."


    That's it - I just don't feel the sincerity. But who am I to sayicon_confused.gif


    Well I didn't see that quote lol. hmmm I'd probably have to meet him in person to tell whether or not he is sincere.
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:42 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 said
    Blackguy4you said
    meninlove said

    This didn't impress me...

    "And I found out there is no way I could be saved and get to heaven and still not like blacks."


    That's it - I just don't feel the sincerity. But who am I to sayicon_confused.gif


    Well I didn't see that quote lol. hmmm I'd probably have to meet him in person to tell whether or not he is sincere.


    true that
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    An apology is better than its opposite. But methinks this comes a bit late, after a lifetime of racial hatred and oppression, and even actual criminal activity. Death-bed conversions are always suspect.
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    Apr 05, 2009 6:50 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidAn apology is better than its opposite. But methinks this comes a bit late, after a lifetime of racial hatred and oppression, and even actual criminal activity. Death-bed conversions are always suspect.
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    is that because we are cynical, that we think no one is redeemable?
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    Red_Vespa saidAn apology is better than its opposite. But methinks this comes a bit late, after a lifetime of racial hatred and oppression, and even actual criminal activity. Death-bed conversions are always suspect.
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    is that because we are cynical, that we think no one is redeemable?

    Good point. People are indeed redeemable, and I don't rule out that possibility. But they may also be driven by purely selfish reasons, wanting a last-minute pass for a lifetime of sin. How sincere then is their conversion?

    This is a man who hurt & terrorized countless Black people for most of his life, by his own admission. I might be more impressed if his redemption had come much earlier, in good health and with more years ahead of him, able to undo the wrongs he caused as his penance, rather than as death was staring him in the face. He's all repentant as he prepares to meet his Maker, but why not when he was meeting his fellow man?
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 05, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    It's like a Catholic saying with the mis-guided notion that he can do this or that sin and it's okay because they're going to Confession on Saturday. icon_rolleyes.gif ...really?
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    Red_Vespa said
    Blackguy4you said
    Red_Vespa saidAn apology is better than its opposite. But methinks this comes a bit late, after a lifetime of racial hatred and oppression, and even actual criminal activity. Death-bed conversions are always suspect.
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    is that because we are cynical, that we think no one is redeemable?

    Good point. People are indeed redeemable, and I don't rule out that possibility. But they may also be driven by purely selfish reasons, wanting a last-minute pass for a lifetime of sin. How sincere then is their conversion?

    This is a man who hurt & terrorized countless Black people for most of his life, by his own admission. I might be more impressed if his redemption had come much earlier, in good health and with more years ahead of him, able to undo the wrongs he caused as his penance, rather than as death was staring him in the face. He's all repentant as he prepares to meet his Maker, but why not when he was meeting his fellow man?


    so as a black man, if i were to say i forgive him - am i being sincere or because it makes me look good to be able to take the high road.

    and the question then becomes - will i be called a hero?
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    Apr 05, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    Maverick75 said
    cjcscuba1984 saidIf you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology


    Let's see if any of our racist RJ members can follow his example. icon_rolleyes.gif


    racist members on hereicon_question.gificon_exclaim.gif say it's not soicon_razz.gificon_surprised.gif


    Uh yeah, where have you been?
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 05, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    But theologically speaking, it doesn't matter whether anyone of us is convinced or not whether the sinner is repentant. It's what's in the sinner's own heart if they are truly repentant and it is stictly reserved for God's Judgement.

    Lacking the Power to Forgive, regardless of circumstances, leaves the slighted unworthy of any forgiveness for any transgressions of their own, no matter how slight or how great the transgression.
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    Apr 05, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Shifty84 said
    Blackguy4you said
    Maverick75 said
    cjcscuba1984 saidIf you are sensitive... get the tissues.

    I wondered at first if he was truely sorry for his actions, or just worried about going to Hell after he has died. After reading more... I believe his apology could be quite sincere. Black folks of the world... do you forgive him? I don't feel he has don anything bad to my people specifically... but he helped temporaily damage US society. To that I can forgive him.

    What if Fred Phelps did thet same thing and said the same things. Could you forgive him if he publicly apologizes to the nation. I think I could--despite all the tears I have shed while reading his website.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/one_man_s_apology


    Let's see if any of our racist RJ members can follow his example. icon_rolleyes.gif


    racist members on hereicon_question.gificon_exclaim.gif say it's not soicon_razz.gificon_surprised.gif


    Uh yeah, where have you been?


    hmmm i only joined RJ exactly a month ago actually. and well, i was just being a bit facetious. icon_razz.gif. i'm not that naive to think that bigotry would not exist here as well. shucks bigotry is often most virulent in the gay community