Do any others feel that many gay RJ members are just as closed-minded as their str8 oppressors???

  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 06, 2009 1:07 PM GMT
    So many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
    My impression is some gay guys believe bi-sexuals are not being entirely truthful about their sexual orientation. At one time it was common for gay men to make their sexual orientation more acceptable to straight society by saying they were bi-sexual. The "I am not like them" attitude. You see a similar reaction from so-called str8-acting guys.

    I personally believe that bi-sexuality is more common than most people believe, and that a significant minority of straight and gay guys are potentially bi-sexual. But society exerts subtle and sometimes not so subtle pressure for people to pick one.
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:16 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???


    Close minded only with regards to bi? I think more intolerant than many heteros on lots of subjects.
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:18 PM GMT
    This is not a personal attack, but I think the hostility you see isn't towards bi guys in general, but you specifically.
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidThis is not a personal attack, but I think the hostility you see isn't towards bi guys in general, but you specifically.


    quote for truth.
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidThis is not a personal attack, but I think the hostility you see isn't towards bi guys in general, but you specifically.


    actually my very first forum topic seeking to form a thread for just bi guys was when I first noticed it...there was no attack or anything and the hostility was totally uncalled for. Since then, yes, I have posted some controversial threads but the hostility towards bi's is still very present in RJ
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:25 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidMy impression is some gay guys believe bi-sexuals are not being entirely truthful about their sexual orientation. At one time it was common for gay men to make their sexual orientation more acceptable to straight society by saying they were bi-sexual. The "I am not like them" attitude. You see a similar reaction from so-called str8-acting guys.

    I personally believe that bi-sexuality is more common than most people believe, and that a significant minority of straight and gay guys are potentially bi-sexual. But society exerts subtle and sometimes not so subtle pressure for people to pick one.

    I agree with you, and would add this, at least based on my own feelings and the views of my gay friends:

    Gay men fear bi men might dump them for women. It's bad enough we sometimes have to worry about rivalry from other men to keep our guy, but do we want to be competing with women, too? And how do we contend with that, if our bi BF is lusting after tits and pussy? Going the RuPaul route prolly won't win him back.

    So that bi men may be viewed as unreliable lovers & partners by gay men. I think most of us want somebody who's committed to staying on our team, and not becoming a free agent.
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    Apr 06, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    Who are the str8 oppressors?
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    Apr 06, 2009 2:41 PM GMT
    I think it's because gay men are just as human as straight men. There are gay men who bash bi men. There are "masculine" gay men who bash "feminine" gay men. There are younger gay men who bash older gay men. Etc.

    Just because we're gay doesn't mean that we're any more enlightened than the rest of the world.

    I try my best to be as tolerant as possible and that's all I expect from others. I don't always succeed, but I try. Some people on this site that aren't making the same effort.
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    Apr 06, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???


    Gee whiz, what a toughy...

    People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

    I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.
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    Apr 06, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    Mycro saidI think it's because gay men are just as human as straight men. There are gay men who bash bi men. There are "masculine" gay men who bash "feminine" gay men. There are younger gay men who bash older gay men. Etc.

    Just because we're gay doesn't mean that we're any more enlightened than the rest of the world.

    I try my best to be as tolerant as possible and that's all I expect from others. I don't always succeed, but I try. Some people on this site that aren't making the same effort.


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    Apr 06, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    beeker said
    bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???


    Gee whiz, what a toughy...

    People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

    I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.


    Of course it's arrogant BS of bitter people. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
    we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us
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    Apr 06, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    beeker said
    bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???


    Gee whiz, what a toughy...

    People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

    I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.


    Of course it's arrogant BS of bitter people. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
    we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us


    So very true and so very unfortunate that those expectations are held in vain.

    People have a long way to go before they can supersede their own egos. The world holds no shortage of hypocrites.
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    Apr 06, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
    beeker said. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
    we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us ...The world holds no shortage of hypocrites.
    I would have to agree with you here. I've observed an interesting conflict between what gays want and what gays give. Although the intention is often good, I've found that they remain the same in their failures of tolerance, understanding and equality despite what they often say. What it has proven to me is that they really are not any different than others in that realm.

    The issue of being bi is one of confusion but I have to say that I think it's because it's a term used frequently by guys working on finding themselves. I do think there are truly bi guys but unlike SurrealLife, I don't think they are common but I think the majority use that "area" as a safe place until they can accept who they are. I know I did. Just my opinion of course.
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    Maybe it's just cuz some bi-men give all the rest a bad name. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    Yes... icon_sad.gif
  • Rookz

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    Apr 06, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
    Well Caslon, a bad seed does give everyone else of their category a bad name.

    And to the original poster, why does it have to be RJ members versus in comparison to st8 oppressors? You're comparing a small specific group to a large broad audience which does not make sense.
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


    Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



    Just being honest...
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:33 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


    Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



    Just being honest...


    Oh I didn't look at his profile...icon_exclaim.gif Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    Just because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


    Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



    Just being honest...


    Oh I didn't look at his profile...icon_exclaim.gif Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site


    it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.
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    Apr 06, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
    jpopenb saidJust because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.


    Funny you say that..

    Yet when Prop 8 was passed in CA and the news reports said blacks were the primary cause of this happening: the gay community practically crucified the black community, arguing that as an oppressed minorty they should have known better. I wonder where you stood on thisicon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 06, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    jpopenb saidJust because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.


    Funny you say that..

    Yet when Prop 8 was passed in CA and the news reports said blacks were the primary cause of this happening: the gay community practically crucified the black community, arguing that as an oppressed minorty they should have known better. I wonder where you stood on thisicon_exclaim.gif


    I am all for gay marriage...but that is totally irrelevant to this thread
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    bijockmuscle said
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    coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


    Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



    Just being honest...


    Oh I didn't look at his profile...icon_exclaim.gif Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site


    it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.



    Perhaps they are not anti-bi so much as anti -men who are married and yet trolling for dick. It's not the same thing you know.

    I would not consider myself anti-bi. But I think a man who is married to a woman and yet is looking for dick is lower than the scum of the earthicon_exclaim.gif
  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 06, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    bijockmuscle said
    Blackguy4you said
    coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


    Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



    Just being honest...


    Oh I didn't look at his profile...icon_exclaim.gif Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site


    it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.



    Perhaps they are not anti-bi so much as anti -men who are married and yet trolling for dick. It's not the same thing you know.

    I would not consider myself anti-bi. But I think a man who is married to a woman and yet is looking for dick is lower than the scum of the earthicon_exclaim.gif


    No one cares what you think of me...it is irrelevant and if you knew me, i am so not the type of person who gives a shit what others think of me...

    However, that doesn't change the fact that before anyone knew i was married a bunch of anti-bi faggots attacked my thread...say what you want about me but the fact remains that many gay men are anti-bi