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bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

MunchingZombie saidThis is not a personal attack, but I think the hostility you see isn't towards bi guys in general, but you specifically.

MunchingZombie saidThis is not a personal attack, but I think the hostility you see isn't towards bi guys in general, but you specifically.

SurrealLife saidMy impression is some gay guys believe bi-sexuals are not being entirely truthful about their sexual orientation. At one time it was common for gay men to make their sexual orientation more acceptable to straight society by saying they were bi-sexual. The "I am not like them" attitude. You see a similar reaction from so-called str8-acting guys.

I personally believe that bi-sexuality is more common than most people believe, and that a significant minority of straight and gay guys are potentially bi-sexual. But society exerts subtle and sometimes not so subtle pressure for people to pick one.

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Mycro saidI think it's because gay men are just as human as straight men. There are gay men who bash bi men. There are "masculine" gay men who bash "feminine" gay men. There are younger gay men who bash older gay men. Etc.

Just because we're gay doesn't mean that we're any more enlightened than the rest of the world.

I try my best to be as tolerant as possible and that's all I expect from others. I don't always succeed, but I try. Some people on this site that aren't making the same effort.

beeker said

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Gee whiz, what a toughy...

People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.

Blackguy4you said

beeker said

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Gee whiz, what a toughy...

People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.

Of course it's arrogant BS of bitter people. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us

beeker said. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us ...The world holds no shortage of hypocrites.

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



Just being honest...

Blackguy4you said

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



Just being honest...

Oh I didn't look at his profile... Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site

jpopenb saidJust because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.

Blackguy4you said

jpopenb saidJust because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.

Funny you say that..

Yet when Prop 8 was passed in CA and the news reports said blacks were the primary cause of this happening: the gay community practically crucified the black community, arguing that as an oppressed minorty they should have known better. I wonder where you stood on this

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Blackguy4you said

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



Just being honest...

Oh I didn't look at his profile... Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site

it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.

Blackguy4you said

bijockmuscle said

Blackguy4you said

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



Just being honest...

Oh I didn't look at his profile... Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site

it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.

Perhaps they are not anti-bi so much as anti -men who are married and yet trolling for dick. It's not the same thing you know.

I would not consider myself anti-bi. But I think a man who is married to a woman and yet is looking for dick is lower than the scum of the earth

coolarmydude said...and many bi men are anti-gay because they don't want to appear to the str8 world that they're less masculine for liking to have sex with men.

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Blackguy4you said

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Blackguy4you said

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle, I have seen how gays and str8s both give bisexuals an unfair shake, but you can't possibly be serious on that being an issue with you when you, yourself, give reason for others to not trust you. You are the married cheater "on the DL" without a facepic. You have far greater personal issues than the generality of this thread you created.


Before you can set the record straight with others, you have to begin setting the record straight with yourself.



Just being honest...

Oh I didn't look at his profile... Well that certainly does now change things if he's talking about the treatment he has received from guys on this site

it's all a load of horse crap! Before anyone knew anything about me, i made a thread for bi guys to talk. It was immediately attacked by some anti-bi men, such as Calson, Body4work, McGay, etc., becuase i dared label myself as bi. Yes, I have made many a controversial post to these forums and yes some think my actions of lying to my wife as disgusting, but that doesn't change the fact that many gay men (whether on RJ or elsewhere) are anti-bi...that simple.

Perhaps they are not anti-bi so much as anti -men who are married and yet trolling for dick. It's not the same thing you know.

I would not consider myself anti-bi. But I think a man who is married to a woman and yet is looking for dick is lower than the scum of the earth

No one cares what you think of me...it is irrelevant and if you knew me, i am so not the type of person who gives a shit what others think of me...

However, that doesn't change the fact that before anyone knew i was married a bunch of anti-bi faggots attacked my thread...say what you want about me but the fact remains that many gay men are anti-bi

coolarmydude saidbijockmuscle said, "that is one of the most stupid things i have heard. So you are saying bi men say/do anti-gay things to appear more masculine??? Any examples??"


For starters, using the term "str8-acting". You know that one to be true. And even gay men use the term in order to come off as masculine.

Blackguy4you said

jpopenb saidJust because one can be considered a minority in one definition or another doesnt give us a pass as to being the most open-minded persons in the world. I have to admit when I first came out I held the same attitudes about Bi men. I thought they couldnt make a decision or they are trying to be separatists, etc. I also decided I didnt want to date bi men because I had the same fear mentioned here , " they might leave me for a woman." Having said that, do i openly interact with bi's : yes; Do I want to date a bi man: n; I fell in love with one would I resist it: no. So intolerance is not a clear issue it is a grey one.

Funny you say that..

Yet when Prop 8 was passed in CA and the news reports said blacks were the primary cause of this happening: the gay community practically crucified the black community, arguing that as an oppressed minorty they should have known better. I wonder where you stood on this

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

NNJfitandbi said

tafkalil saidOk. So I have another thing to say... I was speaking for myself on my reply. I was only agreeing with bijock because I can see what he's saying.

I can also see why people act like that towards you man. I mean, it's kinda like this... it's people like you who give other bisexuals a bad name. I mean come on! "married bi guy on the DL...always horny..." and "I am looking for discreet regular FWB or fuck buddy ". Seriously, dude? That is some kind of fucked up. Does your wife know? I bet money that she doesn't.

So many people think that bi guys are just in it for the sex, and you are living proof of that. Can't you just take what you have and be happy? If you're not getting what you want from your wife, just tell her. You don't have to lie to her about shit, go sleep with men behind her back, and possibly give her an STD, or worse, HIV/AIDS. You should really think about this more man.

i don't know bimusclejock at all

but how do you know how careful he is, how often (if at all) he plays, or what

people in relationships, gay and straight, have sex with other people

I'm not defending the practice, but jeez, he's not doing anything different than a zillion other people on the planet

stop judging the man -- the practice you may not agree with, fine, but i simply refuse to believe that most of the moralists here haven't ever had sex when they were in a relationship with others

stop casting stones -- the ones who do are usually the biggest whores and crooks anyway

Sundancerguy saidIf a man has a photo that cuts off his face, he's undoubtedly still in the closet, which may be seen as one form of closed mindedness. A man may think he's a real man if he has big muscles, but in my opinion, the real man is he who can show himself and his true nature whether on a website or in person in all situations. Namaste.

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tafkalil saidOk. So I have another thing to say... I was speaking for myself on my reply. I was only agreeing with bijock because I can see what he's saying.

I can also see why people act like that towards you man. I mean, it's kinda like this... it's people like you who give other bisexuals a bad name. I mean come on! "married bi guy on the DL...always horny..." and "I am looking for discreet regular FWB or fuck buddy ". Seriously, dude? That is some kind of fucked up. Does your wife know? I bet money that she doesn't.

So many people think that bi guys are just in it for the sex, and you are living proof of that. Can't you just take what you have and be happy? If you're not getting what you want from your wife, just tell her. You don't have to lie to her about shit, go sleep with men behind her back, and possibly give her an STD, or worse, HIV/AIDS. You should really think about this more man.

i don't know bimusclejock at all

but how do you know how careful he is, how often (if at all) he plays, or what

people in relationships, gay and straight, have sex with other people

I'm not defending the practice, but jeez, he's not doing anything different than a zillion other people on the planet

stop judging the man -- the practice you may not agree with, fine, but i simply refuse to believe that most of the moralists here haven't ever had sex when they were in a relationship with others

stop casting stones -- the ones who do are usually the biggest whores and crooks anyway

I have never had sex with someone else when I was in a relationship It is not done That defeats the purpose of my being in a relationship(speaking only for myself) For frig sake he took an oath to love honor etc etc! Is freaking nothing sacred anymore And exactly where do you draw the line? I like how people love to throw out the "judgmental red herring"
Does his wife know? Suppose he has children, will he be able to tell them about this

I have nothing against bi-men who are dating men and women without a commitment. But don't tell me you go and get married and still expect to get a free pass. You gots to be joking

I don't think I said anyone gets a free pass. I said some people are hypocritical. I don't know you at all. You may or may not be.

All I know is that you said that married guys who cheat on their wives are lower than scum, or some such thing. You're talking about 70 per cent of married guys, probably, and probably 90 per cent of gay guys in relationships. I think it's great that you live true to your principles. But I'm telling you, man, you might want to soften your rhetoric before you start condemning people.

You ever heard of Tolstoy, Flaubert, or how about Updike? Um, they wrote novels about marriage -- and you know what, now that there's gay marriage, there are going to be a shitload of gay cuckolds.

Of course, cheating is wrong. But maybe not as wrong as lying about your HIV status, or not getting tested, or using drugs and fucking god-knows-who unsafely, or taking loads and then denying it because some really hot guy needs assurances that you're safe. Or any of the hundreds of deceptions that are part of sex all the fucking time. Maybe it is worse. I don't know. But I'm not the one telling people they are scum of the earth.

I'm just saying I don't think there are too many superior people out there, just a lot of folks who claim to be because it makes them feel better. And then, in private moments, they remember the terrible things they did, too.

NNJfitandbi saidIndividuals make mistakes. And I have no problem condemning moral practices. But you are condemning people.

And I bet you have skeletons in your own closet.

And yeah, i think it's worse to lie about your HIV status so someone will have sex with you than to cheat on a life partner and practice safe sex. The first is taking a risk with someone else's life. It's an easy question for me.

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tafkalil saidOk. So I have another thing to say... I was speaking for myself on my reply. I was only agreeing with bijock because I can see what he's saying.

I can also see why people act like that towards you man. I mean, it's kinda like this... it's people like you who give other bisexuals a bad name. I mean come on! "married bi guy on the DL...always horny..." and "I am looking for discreet regular FWB or fuck buddy ". Seriously, dude? That is some kind of fucked up. Does your wife know? I bet money that she doesn't.

So many people think that bi guys are just in it for the sex, and you are living proof of that. Can't you just take what you have and be happy? If you're not getting what you want from your wife, just tell her. You don't have to lie to her about shit, go sleep with men behind her back, and possibly give her an STD, or worse, HIV/AIDS. You should really think about this more man.

i don't know bimusclejock at all

but how do you know how careful he is, how often (if at all) he plays, or what

people in relationships, gay and straight, have sex with other people

I'm not defending the practice, but jeez, he's not doing anything different than a zillion other people on the planet

stop judging the man -- the practice you may not agree with, fine, but i simply refuse to believe that most of the moralists here haven't ever had sex when they were in a relationship with others

stop casting stones -- the ones who do are usually the biggest whores and crooks anyway

I have never had sex with someone else when I was in a relationship It is not done That defeats the purpose of my being in a relationship(speaking only for myself) For frig sake he took an oath to love honor etc etc! Is freaking nothing sacred anymore And exactly where do you draw the line? I like how people love to throw out the "judgmental red herring"
Does his wife know? Suppose he has children, will he be able to tell them about this

I have nothing against bi-men who are dating men and women without a commitment. But don't tell me you go and get married and still expect to get a free pass. You gots to be joking

I don't think I said anyone gets a free pass. I said some people are hypocritical. I don't know you at all. You may or may not be.

All I know is that you said that married guys who cheat on their wives are lower than scum, or some such thing. You're talking about 70 per cent of married guys, probably, and probably 90 per cent of gay guys in relationships. I think it's great that you live true to your principles. But I'm telling you, man, you might want to soften your rhetoric before you start condemning people.

You ever heard of Tolstoy, Flaubert, or how about Updike? Um, they wrote novels about marriage -- and you know what, now that there's gay marriage, there are going to be a shitload of gay cuckolds.

Of course, cheating is wrong. But maybe not as wrong as lying about your HIV status, or not getting tested, or using drugs and fucking god-knows-who unsafely, or taking loads and then denying it because some really hot guy needs assurances that you're safe. Or any of the hundreds of deceptions that are part of sex all the fucking time. Maybe it is worse. I don't know. But I'm not the one telling people they are scum of the earth.

I'm just saying I don't think there are too many superior people out there, just a lot of folks who claim to be because it makes them feel better. And then, in private moments, they remember the terrible things they did, too.

Turn down the rhetoric Hell to da noYou've got a major problem

There was a time when a man's word was his bond. We've gone so far past that ideal that it's not even funny. I don't care if it is 100% of straight married guys and or 100% of gay guys! They are the scum of the earth


You may believe in a moralistic relativism - I don't. Any man gay or straight cheating on his committed partner is the scum of the earth I do however find I am more disgusted with a man who is married to a woman and yet trolling around for dick that goes beyond lowest of the low.

Not as wrong as lying about HIV status? Are you kidding me with this

Here's my point. And it's nothing like relativism, by the way. You seem to miss it. Individuals make mistakes. And I have no problem condemning moral practices. But you are condemning people.

And I bet you have skeletons in your own closet.

And yeah, i think it's worse to lie about your HIV status so someone will have sex with you than to cheat on a life partner and practice safe sex. The first is taking a risk with someone else's life. It's an easy question for me.

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tafkalil saidOk. So I have another thing to say... I was speaking for myself on my reply. I was only agreeing with bijock because I can see what he's saying.

I can also see why people act like that towards you man. I mean, it's kinda like this... it's people like you who give other bisexuals a bad name. I mean come on! "married bi guy on the DL...always horny..." and "I am looking for discreet regular FWB or fuck buddy ". Seriously, dude? That is some kind of fucked up. Does your wife know? I bet money that she doesn't.

So many people think that bi guys are just in it for the sex, and you are living proof of that. Can't you just take what you have and be happy? If you're not getting what you want from your wife, just tell her. You don't have to lie to her about shit, go sleep with men behind her back, and possibly give her an STD, or worse, HIV/AIDS. You should really think about this more man.

i don't know bimusclejock at all

but how do you know how careful he is, how often (if at all) he plays, or what

people in relationships, gay and straight, have sex with other people

I'm not defending the practice, but jeez, he's not doing anything different than a zillion other people on the planet

stop judging the man -- the practice you may not agree with, fine, but i simply refuse to believe that most of the moralists here haven't ever had sex when they were in a relationship with others

stop casting stones -- the ones who do are usually the biggest whores and crooks anyway

I have never had sex with someone else when I was in a relationship It is not done That defeats the purpose of my being in a relationship(speaking only for myself) For frig sake he took an oath to love honor etc etc! Is freaking nothing sacred anymore And exactly where do you draw the line? I like how people love to throw out the "judgmental red herring"
Does his wife know? Suppose he has children, will he be able to tell them about this

I have nothing against bi-men who are dating men and women without a commitment. But don't tell me you go and get married and still expect to get a free pass. You gots to be joking

I don't think I said anyone gets a free pass. I said some people are hypocritical. I don't know you at all. You may or may not be.

All I know is that you said that married guys who cheat on their wives are lower than scum, or some such thing. You're talking about 70 per cent of married guys, probably, and probably 90 per cent of gay guys in relationships. I think it's great that you live true to your principles. But I'm telling you, man, you might want to soften your rhetoric before you start condemning people.

You ever heard of Tolstoy, Flaubert, or how about Updike? Um, they wrote novels about marriage -- and you know what, now that there's gay marriage, there are going to be a shitload of gay cuckolds.

Of course, cheating is wrong. But maybe not as wrong as lying about your HIV status, or not getting tested, or using drugs and fucking god-knows-who unsafely, or taking loads and then denying it because some really hot guy needs assurances that you're safe. Or any of the hundreds of deceptions that are part of sex all the fucking time. Maybe it is worse. I don't know. But I'm not the one telling people they are scum of the earth.

I'm just saying I don't think there are too many superior people out there, just a lot of folks who claim to be because it makes them feel better. And then, in private moments, they remember the terrible things they did, too.

Turn down the rhetoric Hell to da noYou've got a major problem

There was a time when a man's word was his bond. We've gone so far past that ideal that it's not even funny. I don't care if it is 100% of straight married guys and or 100% of gay guys! They are the scum of the earth


You may believe in a moralistic relativism - I don't. Any man gay or straight cheating on his committed partner is the scum of the earth I do however find I am more disgusted with a man who is married to a woman and yet trolling around for dick that goes beyond lowest of the low.

Not as wrong as lying about HIV status? Are you kidding me with this

Here's my point. And it's nothing like relativism, by the way. You seem to miss it. Individuals make mistakes. And I have no problem condemning moral practices. But you are condemning people.

And I bet you have skeletons in your own closet.

And yeah, i think it's worse to lie about your HIV status so someone will have sex with you than to cheat on a life partner and practice safe sex. The first is taking a risk with someone else's life. It's an easy question for me.

Do you read what you are stating? Course we all make mistakes And btw since you have now stated that the OP has made a mistake, you by your very statement has judged him. So tell me, which mistake has the OP made Getting married or trolling for dick or not telling his wife that he's doing so? Or will it become a mistake only when he gets caught?

I have not missed it. You on the other hand want to be morally ambivalent and that doesn't work. You want to argue about having your cake and eating it as well. Hell no! Does his wife know that he's on the internet and probably other places looking for cock? How do you think she will feel if and when she finds out? Do you think she should be told so that she can make an informed decision about her life? If he has not told her, why hasn't he?

Dude, when you meet anyone it is your responsibility to protect your life. You always assume they are HIV POZ and act accordingly to protect your well being . The onus is upon you! I can't believe you are stating this sort of stuff in 2009. What they therefore tell you is irrelevant and thus does not rise to the same degree of seriousness. And what happens if this cheating partner brings stds or AIDS to the relationship?

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tafkalil saidNNJfitandbi

I don't know how your morals are, but I was raised better than that. I've never cheated on anyone, and I never will. If you have, that's your own problem. I'm just tired of the guy trying to get sympathy on things, when he's being a fucking hypocrite. If it's not that obvious, then excuse me.. I'll try to dumb it down next time, ok?

Hey, I applaud you for never having cheated. You're 24. I hope you can say that when you're 60. You're headless, like me. So obviously your identity as a bi man isn't something you want to advertise. Deception and concealment are part of life. There are sometimes very good reasons not to disclose. Some of them are selfish, some aren't. People will judge you all the time for the choices you make.

Chuckystud, who has posted on this thread, believes that faceless profiles mean that the person has no integrity. Not worth shit to him.

If you identify as bi, there are people on realjock who will say that you in fact are gay, that you are deluding yourself, or, worse, that you hate yourself for beling gay. And if you love yourself, you will come out and embrace your true self.

There are people on realjock who think you're worthless because you don't have a perfect body. Or whatever reason.

I don't care whether bijockmuscle gets sympathy or not. I'm trying to point out that morality is ultimately very, very subjective. And we all make little compromises so that we can live with ourselves, and with others. My point isn't to encourage anyone to cheat on anyone else. My point is just that it's better to reserve judgment, or to keep one's feelings private.

Now, bijockmuscle invited the attacks by making his post. He craves attention here and loves to start these controversies. Fine. But the attacks are hollow and hypocritical. That's my point.

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tafkalil saidOk. So I have another thing to say... I was speaking for myself on my reply. I was only agreeing with bijock because I can see what he's saying.

I can also see why people act like that towards you man. I mean, it's kinda like this... it's people like you who give other bisexuals a bad name. I mean come on! "married bi guy on the DL...always horny..." and "I am looking for discreet regular FWB or fuck buddy ". Seriously, dude? That is some kind of fucked up. Does your wife know? I bet money that she doesn't.

So many people think that bi guys are just in it for the sex, and you are living proof of that. Can't you just take what you have and be happy? If you're not getting what you want from your wife, just tell her. You don't have to lie to her about shit, go sleep with men behind her back, and possibly give her an STD, or worse, HIV/AIDS. You should really think about this more man.

i don't know bimusclejock at all

but how do you know how careful he is, how often (if at all) he plays, or what

people in relationships, gay and straight, have sex with other people

I'm not defending the practice, but jeez, he's not doing anything different than a zillion other people on the planet

stop judging the man -- the practice you may not agree with, fine, but i simply refuse to believe that most of the moralists here haven't ever had sex when they were in a relationship with others

stop casting stones -- the ones who do are usually the biggest whores and crooks anyway

I have never had sex with someone else when I was in a relationship It is not done That defeats the purpose of my being in a relationship(speaking only for myself) For frig sake he took an oath to love honor etc etc! Is freaking nothing sacred anymore And exactly where do you draw the line? I like how people love to throw out the "judgmental red herring"
Does his wife know? Suppose he has children, will he be able to tell them about this

I have nothing against bi-men who are dating men and women without a commitment. But don't tell me you go and get married and still expect to get a free pass. You gots to be joking

I don't think I said anyone gets a free pass. I said some people are hypocritical. I don't know you at all. You may or may not be.

All I know is that you said that married guys who cheat on their wives are lower than scum, or some such thing. You're talking about 70 per cent of married guys, probably, and probably 90 per cent of gay guys in relationships. I think it's great that you live true to your principles. But I'm telling you, man, you might want to soften your rhetoric before you start condemning people.

You ever heard of Tolstoy, Flaubert, or how about Updike? Um, they wrote novels about marriage -- and you know what, now that there's gay marriage, there are going to be a shitload of gay cuckolds.

Of course, cheating is wrong. But maybe not as wrong as lying about your HIV status, or not getting tested, or using drugs and fucking god-knows-who unsafely, or taking loads and then denying it because some really hot guy needs assurances that you're safe. Or any of the hundreds of deceptions that are part of sex all the fucking time. Maybe it is worse. I don't know. But I'm not the one telling people they are scum of the earth.

I'm just saying I don't think there are too many superior people out there, just a lot of folks who claim to be because it makes them feel better. And then, in private moments, they remember the terrible things they did, too.

Turn down the rhetoric Hell to da noYou've got a major problem

There was a time when a man's word was his bond. We've gone so far past that ideal that it's not even funny. I don't care if it is 100% of straight married guys and or 100% of gay guys! They are the scum of the earth


You may believe in a moralistic relativism - I don't. Any man gay or straight cheating on his committed partner is the scum of the earth I do however find I am more disgusted with a man who is married to a woman and yet trolling around for dick that goes beyond lowest of the low.

Not as wrong as lying about HIV status? Are you kidding me with this

Here's my point. And it's nothing like relativism, by the way. You seem to miss it. Individuals make mistakes. And I have no problem condemning moral practices. But you are condemning people.

And I bet you have skeletons in your own closet.

And yeah, i think it's worse to lie about your HIV status so someone will have sex with you than to cheat on a life partner and practice safe sex. The first is taking a risk with someone else's life. It's an easy question for me.

Do you read what you are stating? Course we all make mistakes And btw since you have now stated that the OP has made a mistake, you by your very statement has judged him. So tell me, which mistake has the OP made Getting married or trolling for dick or not telling his wife that he's doing so? Or will it become a mistake only when he gets caught?

I have not missed it. You on the other hand want to be morally ambivalent and that doesn't work. You want to argue about having your cake and eating it as well. Hell no! Does his wife know that he's on the internet and probably other places looking for cock? How do you think she will feel if and when she finds out? Do you think she should be told so that she can make an informed decision about her life? If he has not told her, why hasn't he?

Dude, when you meet anyone it is your responsibility to protect your life. You always assume they are HIV POZ and act accordingly to protect your well being . The onus is upon you! I can't believe you are stating this sort of stuff in 2009. What they therefore tell you is irrelevant and thus does not rise to the same degree of seriousness. And what happens if this cheating partner brings stds or AIDS to the relationship?

Thank you! I couldn't have said it better myself!

Of course you assume someone is positive. That doesn't excuse the lie. Condoms break. If someone is positive and lies about it to have sex, he is concealing life-threatening informati

beeker said

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Gee whiz, what a toughy...

People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.

MuscleToronto saidWhat is a "FWB"?

1) fuck-work-buddy

2) fucking white boy

3) female workout buddy

4) freaky white buddy

5) fucking woman-boy

...

??

dancerjack saidwell, over the past 2 years i've said this multiple times on realjock: i really appreciate bisexual men. i like the way bisexual people can find beauty in either sex, and not only know it is beautiful, but have the ability to fall in love with people regardless of their pipes. i am rather jealous. i know a beautiful woman when i see one, but i simply don't respond sexually (usually). so, to all our bisexual brothers and sisters in the lgBt (note: there IS a b in that acronym), keep on lovin'

davidhotdude saidIm not headless
Im bisexual
Im married
I have 2 kids
My wife knows and has always known
I have messed about with guys
My wife knows bout this too
Life is more complicated than a ot of you guys seem to think...

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Blackguy4you said

beeker said

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Gee whiz, what a toughy...

People have and always will have strong and differing views. Being gay doesn't confer any special saintly attributes or wisdom, nor does it detract. Just as fallible, just as noble.

I know a lot of gays think that simply because they are gay they are better than the other people, those breeders and such. It's just arrogant bullshit of bitter souls.

Of course it's arrogant BS of bitter people. The thing is though, that I would expect better from gay guys since we are part of a discriminated group. Yet,
we often turn around and do the same thing to others that we are pissed about when done to us

bostudent87 saidin answer to the original question, for me, I would get scared of bi guys; it's like they are so horny that they are attracted to either sex (no offense); I could never date a bi guy cause I would constantly be wondering if he felt like he made the right decision in being with a guy, I wouldnt want him to get bored and go after a woman; also, it would be hard enough dealing with a guy checking out other guys when he's dating you, but with a bi guy you would have to worry about him checking out girls too (i agree with redvespa)

looknrnd said

Mycro saidI think it's because gay men are just as human as straight men. There are gay men who bash bi men. There are "masculine" gay men who bash "feminine" gay men. There are younger gay men who bash older gay men. Etc.

Just because we're gay doesn't mean that we're any more enlightened than the rest of the world.

I try my best to be as tolerant as possible and that's all I expect from others. I don't always succeed, but I try. Some people on this site that aren't making the same effort.

AYYYYYYYYYMEN!!!!!!!!

Ducky45 saidESM-

Question: Are you the only he's dating or does he have a girl friend and does she know about you?

I had to put my popcorn down for the second join the game again.

coolarmydude saidbernd said, "Cheaters don't get much love here either. It must make those miserable creatures from the moral superiority feel fabulous to discover someone to look down on. But everyone needs to come to terms with his actions by themselves, and judging someone's life and character from the few scraps of text and pics on RJ is premature (or is that immature?) and never correct. I don't know the OP at all, but his being honest with others on RJ and declaring he is on the DL is not something a coward would do."


You're right. It's not cowardice. It's selfishness!

I also like how YOU chastise those of us "miserable creatures from the moral superiority" who judge and then go on saying you "don't know the OP at all" blah blah blah...like you know any one of us from the "few scraps of text and pics on RJ."


File under H for hypocrite!

bernd said

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

Hey, we're gay! We judge! That's what we do

Reading through the thread I haven't found anything that people dislike that applies only to bi guys or us gay superior beings apply only to bi guys.

Most here dislike people who try to make themselves look more masculine by slapping on labels like straight-acting and such. Some also think that 'bi' is used to that end. Whatever. It certainly doesn't work with me. I hate labels and wish men who have sex with men would stop using them. Yeah, I know and I want a pony, too. There is so much relativity to all labels, that people should ask follow up questions when they feel offended, but it's so much easier to trash someone else. But asking for clarification could sometimes result in making a new friend.

Cheaters don't get much love here either. It must make those miserable creatures from the moral superiority feel fabulous to discover someone to look down on. But everyone needs to come to terms with his actions by themselves, and judging someone's life and character from the few scraps of text and pics on RJ is premature (or is that immature?) and never correct.
I don't know the OP at all, but his being honest with others on RJ and declaring he is on the DL is not something a coward would do.

KissingPro saidWhy do some guys here feel compelled to classify and put people in a box? Let people do whatever the fuck they want.

meninlove said

NNJfitandbi said, "This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. Are you on this guy's side? It's one thing for a friend or confidant to make this kind of a statement in private to someone. Then it means something. But you don't even know him yet publicly condemn him -- having appointed yourself judge and executioner. You're not holding him to account since you don't know anything about him. You're just mouthing off."

We said, "Here the zillion dollar question: DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW?

If she does, fine.
Is she doesn't, YOU are the reason that Bis get such a bad rap.


IF




A) We have no probs with Bis, in fact, think they are blessed to have a wider range of choices than the rest of us: BUT the op in this thread has said that people here don't like him and he's hiding behind the word Bi as the reason.
B) We've heard the use of DL among Bis that ARE out to their partners, women and men both (but then, this is Canada) and they refer to DL in regards to family, work, friends etc. The spouse is the only one who knows.

AGAIN THAT'S 100% OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!


bijockmuscle is apparently cheating, which puts his wife in physical danger. For many with bad past experiences, Bi equals cheating. Bi is not cheating.

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

KissingPro saidWhy do some guys here feel compelled to classify and put people in a box? Let people do whatever the fuck they want.

What boots it Isn't that the whole issue. gay guys are doing exactly what they want to do- by having nothing to do with a bi-married man on the DL- and this is somehow upsetting to him and others

WTF

Sir, you also miss the point. I don't think he is protesting that you want nothing to do with him. I think he's protesting that you are coming down so hard on him. If you find married men on the DL distasteful, that's cool. Don't have any truck with them.

bijockmuscle saidSo many of them have a thing against bi guys...what is up with that???

meninlove said


bijockmuscle, in your profile you did say you are married and on the 'DL'.

So.....being on the DL can also mean that your wife IS aware of what you do with men, but you're not out with it publicly, due to reasons such as job or extended family etc.

That's 100% OK.


Here the zillion dollar question: DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW?

If she does, fine.
Is she doesn't, YOU are the reason that Bis get such a bad rap.

Guy101 saidNNJ....you pose a good question: Is it people that he makes feel uncomfortable or is it himself that he feels uncomfortable with?

Guy101 saidLOL. Then tell your wife about your secret life and you won't have to be discreet and the "DL" anymore.

You're funny.

bijockmuscle said

Guy101 saidNNJ....you pose a good question: Is it people that he makes feel uncomfortable or is it himself that he feels uncomfortable with?

beleive me when i say this...I am 100% fine with who i am

Caslon10000 said

bijockmuscle said

Guy101 saidNNJ....you pose a good question: Is it people that he makes feel uncomfortable or is it himself that he feels uncomfortable with?

beleive me when i say this...I am 100% fine with who i am

Yeah but what about the people around you? ... oh that's right, your wife doesnt know and probably the guys you ratted on dont know it was you.

Guy101 saidHahahaha.

You're one of those guys who likes to have his cake and eat it too.

Clearly you are not fine with yourself if you have to live a life of secrecy. That just doesn't add up. I bet you would trip balls though if you found out your wife was doing something on the side though.

Again, you're funny.

Cheating bad no matter how you slice it.
being bi doesn't make you insincere. That really depends on the individual and having sex in public isn't a bad thing. It really all depends on the location.

McGay saidUnless you're a secret agent man, then living a double life in secrecy, well, ok, maybe "shame" was inappropriate, maybe, but I don't think so.

Which of these sentences sounds truer:

Honey, I didn't tell you I was gay/bi because I was afraid to lose you.

or

Honey, I didn't tell you I was gay/bi because I was afraid I'd lose everyone.

NNJfitandbi said

phemt saidOne reason cheating is wrong is because is it unfair. By cheating you are allowing yourself to have sex with other people while the other person thinks he/she is playing by the orignal monogamist agreement. I can unstand an one time "accident", but to repeatively cheat and to know you will do so in future is out right WRONG! It Dosn't matter if you are bi, str8 or gay.Not only are you lying to your partner but you are playing double standards. Maybe your partner also has desires to have sex with other people, but has not acted on it because he/she is playing by the rules you orginally agreed on (i.e., monogamist relationship).

This is exactly true. It is clear-headed and not hysterical. It doesn't make the claim that cheating is something that no sane person would do, or that to do so makes someone beneath the scum of the earth. Cheating is wrong, unfair, hurtful, all of those things. It risks emotional pain and is a breach of trust.

So are many, many, many other things that people do in relationships. (Arguably, a spouse who cheats safely is endangering his spouse less than if he drinks and drives with her, or talks on a cell phone or texts while driving.) They are all wrong, terrible, hurtful. And yet people stay together despite them.

My gripe with some of the posters here (and it's only some) is that they create this bogeyman and know nothing whatsoever of his circumstances. Marriage has barely existed in the gay world. As more and more gay people have married families with children, gay people will better understand what is wrong about cheating on a lawful spouse, just what a private violation it is, just how hurtful, just how awful. And just how human.

But you can't -- you shouldn't -- just walk out on a marriage. So you have to deal with these things. And I'm just not prepared to say that anyone who commits adultery is beneath contempt. If true, then beneath contempt are a bunch of my friends, coworkers, relatives, etc. And me, too. And I'm telling you now, it means a bunch of everyone's friends, coworkers, relatives.

What I think we have here, more than anything, is anger at bisexual men because for some people, they bring up issues, just like gay people bring up issues for homophobic men. For some reason, the sexuality of others can elicit very emotional responses in people, and turn ordinarily good people into self-righteous prigs.

My contention: the reaction to bisexuality among some gays is of a piece with homophobia. Both are emotional, and not based on reason. They come from a primitive, self-defensive, fearful place within us.

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

phemt saidOne reason cheating is wrong is because is it unfair. By cheating you are allowing yourself to have sex with other people while the other person thinks he/she is playing by the orignal monogamist agreement. I can unstand an one time "accident", but to repeatively cheat and to know you will do so in future is out right WRONG! It Dosn't matter if you are bi, str8 or gay.Not only are you lying to your partner but you are playing double standards. Maybe your partner also has desires to have sex with other people, but has not acted on it because he/she is playing by the rules you orginally agreed on (i.e., monogamist relationship).

This is exactly true. It is clear-headed and not hysterical. It doesn't make the claim that cheating is something that no sane person would do, or that to do so makes someone beneath the scum of the earth. Cheating is wrong, unfair, hurtful, all of those things. It risks emotional pain and is a breach of trust.

So are many, many, many other things that people do in relationships. (Arguably, a spouse who cheats safely is endangering his spouse less than if he drinks and drives with her, or talks on a cell phone or texts while driving.) They are all wrong, terrible, hurtful. And yet people stay together despite them.

My gripe with some of the posters here (and it's only some) is that they create this bogeyman and know nothing whatsoever of his circumstances. Marriage has barely existed in the gay world. As more and more gay people have married families with children, gay people will better understand what is wrong about cheating on a lawful spouse, just what a private violation it is, just how hurtful, just how awful. And just how human.

But you can't -- you shouldn't -- just walk out on a marriage. So you have to deal with these things. And I'm just not prepared to say that anyone who commits adultery is beneath contempt. If true, then beneath contempt are a bunch of my friends, coworkers, relatives, etc. And me, too. And I'm telling you now, it means a bunch of everyone's friends, coworkers, relatives.

What I think we have here, more than anything, is anger at bisexual men because for some people, they bring up issues, just like gay people bring up issues for homophobic men. For some reason, the sexuality of others can elicit very emotional responses in people, and turn ordinarily good people into self-righteous prigs.

My contention: the reaction to bisexuality among some gays is of a piece with homophobia. Both are emotional, and not based on reason. They come from a primitive, self-defensive, fearful place within us.

This is such a bunch of bull that I don't even know where to begin
Let me say this - There is no excuse for cheating None!

Give me a break. Who is excusing cheating?

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

phemt saidOne reason cheating is wrong is because is it unfair. By cheating you are allowing yourself to have sex with other people while the other person thinks he/she is playing by the orignal monogamist agreement. I can unstand an one time "accident", but to repeatively cheat and to know you will do so in future is out right WRONG! It Dosn't matter if you are bi, str8 or gay.Not only are you lying to your partner but you are playing double standards. Maybe your partner also has desires to have sex with other people, but has not acted on it because he/she is playing by the rules you orginally agreed on (i.e., monogamist relationship).

This is exactly true. It is clear-headed and not hysterical. It doesn't make the claim that cheating is something that no sane person would do, or that to do so makes someone beneath the scum of the earth. Cheating is wrong, unfair, hurtful, all of those things. It risks emotional pain and is a breach of trust.

So are many, many, many other things that people do in relationships. (Arguably, a spouse who cheats safely is endangering his spouse less than if he drinks and drives with her, or talks on a cell phone or texts while driving.) They are all wrong, terrible, hurtful. And yet people stay together despite them.

My gripe with some of the posters here (and it's only some) is that they create this bogeyman and know nothing whatsoever of his circumstances. Marriage has barely existed in the gay world. As more and more gay people have married families with children, gay people will better understand what is wrong about cheating on a lawful spouse, just what a private violation it is, just how hurtful, just how awful. And just how human.

But you can't -- you shouldn't -- just walk out on a marriage. So you have to deal with these things. And I'm just not prepared to say that anyone who commits adultery is beneath contempt. If true, then beneath contempt are a bunch of my friends, coworkers, relatives, etc. And me, too. And I'm telling you now, it means a bunch of everyone's friends, coworkers, relatives.

What I think we have here, more than anything, is anger at bisexual men because for some people, they bring up issues, just like gay people bring up issues for homophobic men. For some reason, the sexuality of others can elicit very emotional responses in people, and turn ordinarily good people into self-righteous prigs.

My contention: the reaction to bisexuality among some gays is of a piece with homophobia. Both are emotional, and not based on reason. They come from a primitive, self-defensive, fearful place within us.

This is such a bunch of bull that I don't even know where to begin
Let me say this - There is no excuse for cheating None!

Give me a break. Who is excusing cheating?

You are! Read your posts!

Not too carefully.

bijockmuscle saidbefore anyone knew i was married a bunch of anti-bi faggots attacked my thread...

bijockmuscle saidlet's sum up the old troll Caslon:
Cheating = bad
Being bi = insincere

Ducky45 saidPatti-

Did you even read the topic? It has nothing to do with str8 people at all. That may be how you are treated in Australia being guy in America is quite diffrent.

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

phemt saidOne reason cheating is wrong is because is it unfair. By cheating you are allowing yourself to have sex with other people while the other person thinks he/she is playing by the orignal monogamist agreement. I can unstand an one time "accident", but to repeatively cheat and to know you will do so in future is out right WRONG! It Dosn't matter if you are bi, str8 or gay.Not only are you lying to your partner but you are playing double standards. Maybe your partner also has desires to have sex with other people, but has not acted on it because he/she is playing by the rules you orginally agreed on (i.e., monogamist relationship).

This is exactly true. It is clear-headed and not hysterical. It doesn't make the claim that cheating is something that no sane person would do, or that to do so makes someone beneath the scum of the earth. Cheating is wrong, unfair, hurtful, all of those things. It risks emotional pain and is a breach of trust.

So are many, many, many other things that people do in relationships. (Arguably, a spouse who cheats safely is endangering his spouse less than if he drinks and drives with her, or talks on a cell phone or texts while driving.) They are all wrong, terrible, hurtful. And yet people stay together despite them.

My gripe with some of the posters here (and it's only some) is that they create this bogeyman and know nothing whatsoever of his circumstances. Marriage has barely existed in the gay world. As more and more gay people have married families with children, gay people will better understand what is wrong about cheating on a lawful spouse, just what a private violation it is, just how hurtful, just how awful. And just how human.

But you can't -- you shouldn't -- just walk out on a marriage. So you have to deal with these things. And I'm just not prepared to say that anyone who commits adultery is beneath contempt. If true, then beneath contempt are a bunch of my friends, coworkers, relatives, etc. And me, too. And I'm telling you now, it means a bunch of everyone's friends, coworkers, relatives.

What I think we have here, more than anything, is anger at bisexual men because for some people, they bring up issues, just like gay people bring up issues for homophobic men. For some reason, the sexuality of others can elicit very emotional responses in people, and turn ordinarily good people into self-righteous prigs.

My contention: the reaction to bisexuality among some gays is of a piece with homophobia. Both are emotional, and not based on reason. They come from a primitive, self-defensive, fearful place within us.

This is such a bunch of bull that I don't even know where to begin
Let me say this - There is no excuse for cheating None!

Give me a break. Who is excusing cheating?

You are! Read your posts!

Not too carefully.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enuff on my earlier post. So let me rephrase

You are! Read your own posts and you will clearly see what I'm talking about about when I said you are attempting to justify cheating

See, you miss the point again and again and again. Things are black and white to you. I'm not justifying anything. I'm trying to point out that there are contexts for things, and that it's really not anyone's business to judge a man based on imperfect behavior. I read a book once by a rabbi to who told a woman to have an extramarrital affair. I'm sure you would say she was "scum." She certainly was deceiving her husband. But guess what, if you looked at her situation compassionately, you could see why she did what she did, and with the rabbi's blessing.

If he was cheating on you, I guess I could understand your anger. But he's not. And you sound like a fool to me.

coolarmydude saidbernd, I know my response was harsh, but your comment left me with the urge to give you the middle finger.

Caslon10000 saidI dont have any problem with bis...that never even was an issue that occurred to me until this site. ....I dont care if the bi guys cheat on their wives. It's their lives and their relationships. .....But when a guy starts ratting out other guys....when he doesnt mind his own business as he would have others mind theirs, then I dont see any reason not to call him on his peccadilloes or to cut him any slack.

cjcscuba1984 said"Bi" guys are sick sex-crazed perverts who can't decide which hole they like to stick their tiny dick in best. There is no such thing as bisexuals... just people ashamed to be gay. It is sad. They are hurting our chances for equal rights--pick a side and move on! Stop this, "I like both sexes I just can't decide," crap! Pussies.

I am not sure if you are serious If you are please read and inform yourself about the "Kinsey scale of sexual orientation". You seriously sound as ignorant as when fundamentist claim homosexuality is a choice!



















just kidding of course lol

Caslon10000I don't have any problem with bis...that never even was an issue that occurred to me until this site. ....I don't care if the bi guys cheat on their wives. It's their lives and their relationships. .....But when a guy starts ratting out other guys....when he doesn't mind his own business as he would have others mind theirs, then I don't see any reason not to call him on his peccadilloes or to cut him any slack.

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

Blackguy4you said

NNJfitandbi said

phemt saidOne reason cheating is wrong is because is it unfair. By cheating you are allowing yourself to have sex with other people while the other person thinks he/she is playing by the orignal monogamist agreement. I can unstand an one time "accident", but to repeatively cheat and to know you will do so in future is out right WRONG! It Dosn't matter if you are bi, str8 or gay.Not only are you lying to your partner but you are playing double standards. Maybe your partner also has desires to have sex with other people, but has not acted on it because he/she is playing by the rules you orginally agreed on (i.e., monogamist relationship).

This is exactly true. It is clear-headed and not hysterical. It doesn't make the claim that cheating is something that no sane person would do, or that to do so makes someone beneath the scum of the earth. Cheating is wrong, unfair, hurtful, all of those things. It risks emotional pain and is a breach of trust.

So are many, many, many other things that people do in relationships. (Arguably, a spouse who cheats safely is endangering his spouse less than if he drinks and drives with her, or talks on a cell phone or texts while driving.) They are all wrong, terrible, hurtful. And yet people stay together despite them.

My gripe with some of the posters here (and it's only some) is that they create this bogeyman and know nothing whatsoever of his circumstances. Marriage has barely existed in the gay world. As more and more gay people have married families with children, gay people will better understand what is wrong about cheating on a lawful spouse, just what a private violation it is, just how hurtful, just how awful. And just how human.

But you can't -- you shouldn't -- just walk out on a marriage. So you have to deal with these things. And I'm just not prepared to say that anyone who commits adultery is beneath contempt. If true, then beneath contempt are a bunch of my friends, coworkers, relatives, etc. And me, too. And I'm telling you now, it means a bunch of everyone's friends, coworkers, relatives.

What I think we have here, more than anything, is anger at bisexual men because for some people, they bring up issues, just like gay people bring up issues for homophobic men. For some reason, the sexuality of others can elicit very emotional responses in people, and turn ordinarily good people into self-righteous prigs.

My contention: the reaction to bisexuality among some gays is of a piece with homophobia. Both are emotional, and not based on reason. They come from a primitive, self-defensive, fearful place within us.

This is such a bunch of bull that I don't even know where to begin
Let me say this - There is no excuse for cheating None!

Give me a break. Who is excusing cheating?

You are! Read your posts!

Not too carefully.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enuff on my earlier post. So let me rephrase

You are! Read your own posts and you will clearly see what I'm talking about about when I said you are attempting to justify cheating

See, you miss the point again and again and again. Things are black and white to you. I'm not justifying anything. I'm trying to point out that there are contexts for things, and that it's really not anyone's business to judge a man based on imperfect behavior. I read a book once by a rabbi to who told a woman to have an extramarrital affair. I'm sure you would say she was "scum." She certainly was deceiving her husband. But guess what, if you looked at her situation compassionately, you could see why she did what she did, and with the rabbi's blessing.

If he was cheating on you, I guess I could understand your anger. But he's not. And you sound like a fool to me.

Dude - gosh darn it you've now gone and done it!!!!!!!!!

There's no other way around it- you are an unmitigated ass. Happy now? We've now both descended to name calling. Let's give each other a pat on the back.

You claim that you are not justifying cheating yet in your very next sentence you do exactly that explicitly or infer your agreement implicitly. Case in point your statement about the woman and the rabbi. You idiot - can't you reason?

Cheaters are the scum of the earth And there is no justification for it! There I've said it again. Come to think of it… I have them only a little higher than child molesters Hence, I've indicated my interest in the topic. What's yours? The way you have defended this I can only but assume you are one of the ilk. Is that it? Are you so up in arms because you too are going around looking for cock and you have a wife at home totally unaware of your activities ? My, how brave of you! If it was such an ok thing to do, why not tell her then?

You are bi-sexual and want to screw both men and women - I couldn't care less.
You don't however get married and still go around cum dumping without the person to whom you are married being made aware that you are doing so. Frigging gutless to do so. A deceiful coward!

Hoist with his own petard. We should put Martin Luther King, Bill Cosby, Bill Clinton, JFK, FDR, and other luminaries in Rikers with the child molesters. These men are scum. They cheated on their wives.

Nurse, our patient needs his thorazine.

Guy101 saidPreach it Caslon10000

NNJ. I wanna know what book it you read with the rabbi telling a woman to have extramarital affairs. That is interesting to me because it's arabbi telling a woman to do this.

Also I don't care what type of situation the woman was in you can never justiy cheating and it is definitely one of those things that no one ever wants done to them.Bar none. Period dot.

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