"National Organization for Marriage" Ad

  • Rookz

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    Apr 08, 2009 10:43 PM GMT
    I am glad that our right to marry is blossoming around the country, but it's a rocky road ahead of us gentlemen. Please watch the video uploaded by Courage Campaign showing the "National Organization for Marriage" ad which threatens our rights, equality, and freedom.

    https://secure.couragecampaign.org/page/contribute/TurnFearIntoHope

    If you can participate in anyway, it would be appreciated. Or if anyone can feature the video here in RJ, that would be perfect.

    Thank you.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Apr 08, 2009 11:11 PM GMT
    We're the ones with the "rainbow coalition", douchefaces.

    I don't understand this ad at all. How are advocates bringing the issue into their lives, when it only affects same-sex couples. We're taking away their freedom?
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    Apr 08, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
    This is the new typical Christian bullcrap that's out lately - get the blacks against us by saying that we are trying to compare our struggle to theirs; get the young religious nuts brainwashed that we are after their little kids and the same old song and dance. That's never going to end. Don't give them any press and they'll eventually shut up. They're looking for media exposure - nothing else.

    I hate to get into this but I will...we are putting the cart way before the horse here. I want to see gay marriage legalized too. I got excited when I heard about Iowa and Vermont. I felt a surge of energy that finally this is happening. Then I was brought back down to earth when listening to a few of my gay acquaintances, who come from very different backgrounds, describing their relationships, or lack of ever finding one. And that hope that I had, reminded me of the last fifteen years of stories just like the ones I heard - let's get real here. We need to learn how to have sustainable relationships before we are able to get married. I know, the point is to have the option to get married - I get that. But what's the point of having that right to get married if one can not find anyone to marry? This will not be the magic wand that will suddenly enlighten gay men to accept one another and rid all of us of our pickiness and high expectations of a potential partner; it will not get rid of the pesky reminder of sexual incompatibility that the majority of us discover after meeting (no second date on that one - or even a follow up phone call saying 'sorry, but...). We have to develop some kind of communication skills that are above that of a 9th grade girl - until that happens, and it's going to take a LOT of work - there will be so few people benefitting from gay marriage that hardly anyone is going to show up to support it - because they know, they've been living it for the last two or three decades, that the relationships that are going on between men just don't make it that long (don't tell me about the ones that have lasted 40 years or so, I know of those too, but that is not the norm or even close).

    I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what makes our relationships fail after such a short time. Lack of trying? Loss of interest? Unprepared for the rough roads relationships will eventually face? I don't know. I just know what I've seen, and at this point in time, it's not enough to convince me that the majority of us are ready. We are basically prostituting ourselves online in profiles on so many sites implying that we look good enough to be loved, that we are starving for some kind of affection and attention, why isn't it happening, etc...we fail to realize that we are only a very small percentage of people in society and when that is all you have to choose from in terms of dating, it's going to be a long wait. You are going to have to compromise on some things. This is not something you can buy your way out of or design as if you're custom making something. Gay men are human beings with flaws and insecurities and sometimes horrendous baggage from childhood that for whatever reason other gay men seem to be the hardest critics of - again, that floors me. Are our experiences almost too close to home that it scares us to get too close to each other?

    I've been waiting for years to find someone to fall in love with and hopefully someday benefit from these marriage gains we are making - but only because we are truly in love and want to spend our lives together (and understand what that means - and how much work it will take and how special that will be) - not 'do it because it's legal now'. And that's the feeling I am getting from a lot of guys...I fear that we are headed for a divorce rate of over 90% if that's the reason for getting married. We HAVE to evaluate our priorities, and what we are really looking for in another man and what being married would be like before anything else. Even though we are a very small percentage of society, all of us are a vocal group if we believe in something. The problem with gay marriage is that you've got a few people in the gay community who are very passionate about gay marriage, and a ton of people who have tried so hard to find someone and it never happened, and even talking about the possibility is too painful and they don't want to hear about it. In order for this to be an issue that the majority of the gay community really believes in, you have to get them talking, you have to care enough about them to listen to their stories and understand where they're coming from before you just shut them out and call them bitter. They didn't get that way by themselves.

    In order for society to take our relationships and potential marriages seriously, WE have to do the same. Until that happens, the only places you are going to see gay marriage legal are in these dinky little states where nothing else happens.
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    Apr 08, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    "my freedom will be taken away"

    Hey guys, no-one sent me the memo that said we want to abolish straight marriage.

    "I will have no choice"

    WHAT? She´ll be forced to marry a lesbian? We shouldn´t be supporting that...

    "Coming together in love to protect marriage"

    Oh and there was me thinking that they were odiously trying to prevent it by forcing their ideology on others.


    They have taken the language and are trying to redefine it. It´s incredibly stupid and plays on fear.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Apr 08, 2009 11:26 PM GMT
    I especially don't understand the doctor. Does she not want to treat gay people, or only gay married people? Is this about impregnating lesbians? Is it worse for the children if they're legally married?
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    Apr 08, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    These bigots expect gays to keep their sexuality in the closet, why can't they just keep their religion in church?
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    Apr 08, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    DuluthMN said I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what makes our relationships fail after such a short time. Lack of trying? Loss of interest? Unprepared for the rough roads relationships will eventually face? I don't know.

    When the relationships of straight people fail, there is a lot of pressure and support that comes from society: churches, family members, laws regarding children, etc. A lot of these relationships end anyway, but some number of them are saved, either by intervention, or that the mere fact of the complications of splitting up induce some people to work harder at saving their marriages than they might otherwise do.

    Now look at us. A tiny percentage of Americans support our marriages. A much larger number tolerate them, but would hardly lift a finger to save any of us from divorce. The remainder of the country actively opposes and/or despises us.

    And you think our marriages would fail because we're too immature and flighty, and that first we need to shape up our act? How about the other way around? There needs to be the same social safety net for us that exist for straight folk, so that when the road gets rocky there are many good reasons to work on the relationship. Right now, there are very few.


    This.

    And Duluth... your profile at the moment does not, erm, inspire contact.
  • ep83

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    Apr 08, 2009 11:34 PM GMT
    lostboyWHAT? She´ll be forced to marry a lesbian? We shouldn´t be supporting that...


    Yes, hadn't you heard? Massachusetts Supreme Court Orders All Citizens To Gay Marry.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 09, 2009 12:05 AM GMT
    I think that,finally, people of all walks will resoundingly reject stupidity in politics.


    Let them be dumb. If this is all they got, then our workload got a lot easier.
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    Apr 09, 2009 1:13 AM GMT

    Hey withHonor,

    I'll bet that ad is why the religious right down there is trying to kill hate crime legislation.....


    -Doug

    PS why don't they attend to their own house of cards - the divorce rate nearing 50%, which is really a threat as it becomes easier to do and a very accepted practice. Oh wait, that would be work, and it's easier just to labast another group than look at their own messes....
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    Apr 09, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    Fear and loathing in California. I had to view it a few times to make sure I was seeing and hearing what was coming at me. Rainbow coalition? Whatever...Yes, there is a gathering storm. And it's not what they might expect. Shall we resurrect the Weather Girls and let it start raining men?
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    Apr 09, 2009 3:34 AM GMT
    rainbow coalition hahahaha is this for or against gay marriage?????? I feel like it's so ridiculous it could be interpreted as sarcasm, lol.