Gay Marriage?: You've Already Lost!

  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 09, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
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    Apr 09, 2009 4:07 AM GMT
    what a fantastic man and what a fantastic story!!
  • Delivis

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    Apr 09, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
    Good on him.
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    Apr 09, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    oh that gave me chills! ... icon_biggrin.gif



    I wonder if the opponents to gay marriage realize that they are going to go down in history like the proponents of racism and slavery.

    Listen to the lady in this vid. She argues how when the gov't legalizes gay marriage, it means that the gov't will being teaching your children ideas contrary to your views and tell you that what you believe is not right. Now zip back 150 years in America and substitute a discussion on slavery and substitute the right to believe in slavery into her arguments. The same reasoning could have been used as an argument against abolishing slavery, but she doesnt see it ......I wish a moderator would call that out sometime...these people truly have already lost and they are totally bankrupt of arguments.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30114722#30114722
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    Apr 09, 2009 4:16 AM GMT
    A republican with a lesbian daughter sees the light. Thank you very much. Newt Gingrich might want to take a page from this guy. Outstanding!icon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 09, 2009 4:23 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidA republican with a lesbian daughter sees the light. Thank you very much. Newt Gingrich might want to take a page from this guy. Outstanding!icon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif

    And VP Cheney
  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 09, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    Caslon10000 saidoh that gave me chills! ...
    Psyche!!!
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    Apr 09, 2009 5:13 AM GMT
    I'm paralyzed with hope.
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    Apr 09, 2009 5:22 AM GMT
    That women attaches way too much transcendental qualities to the biological function of a man and woman union.
  • stevendust

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    Apr 09, 2009 5:23 AM GMT
    BradySF saidI'm paralyzed with hope.
    Chills, paralyzed, all of the above. I commend that man.
  • ASUbusy

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    Apr 09, 2009 5:26 AM GMT
    how fantastic! the first thread i have seen on this site that excites me!icon_lol.gif
  • metta

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    Apr 09, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    Conservative Cal Thomas on gay marriage: The battle is over

    It's bitter and filled with the same ol anti-gay rhetoric....

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    To those on the political and religious right who are intent on continuing the battle to preserve “traditional marriage” in a nation that is rapidly discarding its traditions, I would ask this question: What poses a greater threat to our remaining moral underpinnings? Is it two homosexuals living together, or is it the number of heterosexuals who are divorcing and the increasing number of children born to unmarried women, now at nearly 40 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention?

    Most of those who are disturbed about same-sex marriage are not as exercised about preserving heterosexual marriage. That’s because it doesn’t raise money and won’t get them on TV. Some preachers would rather demonize gays than oppose heterosexuals who violate their vows by divorcing, often causing harm to their children. That’s because so many in their congregations have been divorced and preaching against divorce might cause some to leave and take their contributions with them.

    The battle over same-sex marriage is on the way to being lost. For conservatives who still have faith in the political system to reverse the momentum, you are—to recall Harold Hill—“closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge.

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    http://www.worldmag.com/webextra/15243
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    Apr 09, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    Good timing, and great point. He points out something that is just finally coming to light in this battle - Generation. The only common thread in supporters versus opponents is generation. The younger crowd doesn't care if gays have the right to marry, and most if they had to choose one or the other would choose to support the right to gay marriage.

    I have to say, I've never had so much respect for the way a politician made his point. He had attitude and grace. I just want to give him a GIANT hug!!!
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    Apr 09, 2009 5:43 AM GMT
    These beacons of hope are nice even if we still have a way to go. The key is the younger generation that perhaps have been exposed a little more to gay people even if in stereotypes and TV shows.

    The message is come out and be known when you have opportunity. Make friends with non-gays and when the time is right, let them know. Gays may be diverse and come from different backgrounds, but we all have the same desires for love and freedom. There will always be people that hate, but knowledge and truth will ultimately win.

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    Apr 09, 2009 5:45 AM GMT
    Good for him and good for his daughter!
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    Apr 09, 2009 6:12 AM GMT
    How powerfully eloquent! ...The simple declaration and wisdom of one gereation "coming of age and power" informing the elder generation that its time is at an end! The Daughter is BRILLIANT and "dad" NEEDS to be PROUD to no end of his daughter...BRAVO! Now spread that word to the bigots and curmudgeons in congress and in the other state houses that the next generation will be taking power and they are serving notice that things will be different....icon_eek.gif
  • inmidair

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    Apr 09, 2009 6:14 AM GMT
    100 years ago, you couldn't marry someone of a different ethnicity.

    300 years ago, your wife was property and arrived with a bundle of goods from her family.

    But 2000 years ago, I could have married another man and lived peacefully in any major culture in the world.

    So you can see, I'm all for "traditional" marriage.

    (Persecution of queer people didn't begin until the Roman emperor Constantine in the year 300 or so, and he did it as a way of solidifying his power as the first Christian emperor. I highly recommend Louis Crompton's "Homosexuality and Civilization", a fascinating read.)
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    Apr 09, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    inmidair said100 years ago, you couldn't marry someone of a different ethnicity.

    300 years ago, your wife was property and arrived with a bundle of goods from her family.

    But 2000 years ago, I could have married another man and lived peacefully in any major culture in the world.

    So you can see, I'm all for "traditional" marriage.

    (Persecution of queer people didn't begin until the Roman emperor Constantine in the year 300 or so, and he did it as a way of solidifying his power as the first Christian emperor. I highly recommend Louis Crompton's "Homosexuality and Civilization", a fascinating read.)
    I am looking for good gay history books .. but you can also go here (where it started - well sort of)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history* 342 – The first law against homosexual marriage was promulgated by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans. [11]

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    Apr 09, 2009 9:28 AM GMT
    Now, if he would only come to the cocervo town I am in and speak. It would be nice to hold hands, kis and just be normal...I wonder how many life times it will take for me....do feel I can do that!icon_question.gif?
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    Apr 09, 2009 9:45 AM GMT
    Unfortunately there is more to that convo:
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    Apr 09, 2009 9:59 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidUnfortunately there is more to that convo:

    Putting it in context only made Gronstal's reply more poignant. There are going to be old men like in this video who are going to still rant against the change in society, but the refusal to join him in front of all the other senator, I would think will isolate his attitude and make other senators more likely to see the trend of the future and go with it.
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    Apr 09, 2009 10:09 AM GMT
    Caslon10000 said
    Putting it in context only made Gronstal's reply more poignant. There are going to be old men like in this video who are going to still rant against the change in society, but the refusal to join him in front of all the other senator, I would think will isolate his attitude and make other senators more likely to see the trend of the future and go with it.


    I just wish Gronstal would have responded... and if he did, I wish we could have heard it. It it important to respond to that anti-gay marriage legislator... I hope someone responded.
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    Apr 09, 2009 11:07 AM GMT
    Thank you very much for posting this. While it does not affect me directly, it is VERY encouraging.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 09, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    A very outstanding political leader and a great American in my book. We definitely need many more politicians like the governor of Iowa. icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 09, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    Wow!