Obama and the man who prayed out the gay

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    Oct 29, 2007 9:31 AM GMT
    Hmm. I think I'll stick to Hillary.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/27/obama.gospel/index.html
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    Oct 29, 2007 12:58 PM GMT
    Comes as no surprise to me! I'm still on the fence. I will wait and see how the a couple of the primaries go.


    The nature of Politics! Bill did it with "Don Ask Don't Tell" and Arnold did it when he promise to sign a comprehensive "Gay Rights Bill" in to law during his recall bid to oust. Gray Davis in California.

    This comes at no surprise.
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    Oct 29, 2007 2:40 PM GMT
    Politics as usual. Trust none of them.

    Instead,

    Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
    Ooh, theyre red, white and blue.
    And when the band plays hail to the chief,
    Ooh, they point the cannon at you, lord,

    It aint me, it aint me, I aint no senators son, son.
    It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, no,

    Yeah!
    Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
    Lord, dont they help themselves, oh.
    But when the taxman comes to the door,
    Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

    It aint me, it aint me, I aint no millionaires son, no.
    It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, no.

    Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
    Ooh, they send you down to war, lord,
    And when you ask them, how much should we give?
    Ooh, they only answer more! more! more! yoh,

    It aint me, it aint me, I aint no military son, son.
    It aint me, it aint me; I aint no fortunate one, one.

    It aint me, it aint me, I aint no fortunate one, no no no,
    It aint me, it aint me, I aint no fortunate son, no no no,
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    Oct 29, 2007 3:18 PM GMT
    Obama is too inexperienced.

    If Gore runs, I am for him. Otherwise, I will back Hillary (or whoever is the Dem candidate)
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    Oct 29, 2007 3:47 PM GMT
    the link didn't work. what did the article say? I'm all for Obama icon_smile.gif so any bad news is not good to me.
  • MarkX

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    Oct 29, 2007 4:21 PM GMT
    I did a Google search and came up with this. The only difference in the URL is that it includes today's date.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/29/obama-supporter-god-delivered-me-from-homosexuality/

    You may have to cut-and-paste.
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    Oct 29, 2007 6:04 PM GMT
    VOTE Hilary
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    Oct 29, 2007 6:15 PM GMT
    I STILL maintain that Mickey Mouse would make a much better president than any of the current candidates...
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    Oct 29, 2007 6:31 PM GMT
    I like how at the end of the article Oprah is thrown into the mess...
  • cacti

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    Oct 29, 2007 7:10 PM GMT
    Considering we live in a country where the interests of large business greatly outweighs the needs of the people, I don't know how anyone can trust someone(Hillary) who takes money from these people and their lobbyists. Just because she's a democrat and against the war(in Iraq) doesn't mean she's a woman for the people. Hell, she's not even against taking military action against Iran... very scary considering Russia is now buddy-buddy with Iran, and have warned the US not to take military action.

    I'm not one to tell people to vote for, and I still need to do a lot more research on my own before I come to any conclusion, but right now John Edwards is running an amazing campaign IMO.
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:18 PM GMT
    Obama Bin Laden made a mistake, that's all. Plus, he was just trying to get money.

    I think he has a lot of good things to say, but he's too inexperienced and I rather go with a sure thing. He, as a black man, is most assuredly NOT a sure thing in this country.

    Hillary is the best option, as she is most likely to pull through at this point (but we still have a year, so who knows). She's a little nuts, but at least the Clinton Administration were able to look smart while they were doing these "bad things" the neo-cons like to point out.

    I think that Obama is just trying to pander to whomever is complaining at the moment, like a true politician. Plus, we all know it's celebrity for ugly, rich people. So, who cares who he hangs out with.
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:21 PM GMT
    actually I understand taking military action in Iran. It has nothing to do with oil, its all about the dollar. They started or are starting to trade oil in euros as opposed to dollars and its actually cheaper now to buy with their exchange. Some would argue thats why we went to war with Iraq. The thing is the problem isn't the oil itself, but the fact that until now everyone traded with the dollar which made our economy the strongest in the world, but now, if people start trading with euros and it catches on, the value of the dollar with continue to plummet and it will effect our economy at home like you wont believe. Say goodbye to the first world!!!!... Or at least thats what the theory is...
  • cacti

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    Oct 29, 2007 7:25 PM GMT
    I get that, but is it worth going to war with Russia too?

    There's a lot we can fix here at home to help our economy rather than ravaging another country. I don't think war is ever the answer for gaining economic stance.
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:32 PM GMT
    Vote Hillary! icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:34 PM GMT
    oh and cacti

    go to hillaryclinton.com and see her top 10 goals as president. almost all of them she has been working towards as a senator. (So i don't think they are empty campaign promisies)

    she values the homefront
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:34 PM GMT
    Cacti,

    None of the candidates are clean when it comes to taking money from big business. Take a look at the OpenSecrets page for Edwards and you'll see that, while he may be better than the others, he's still taking money from big businesses like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup (and lots and lots of money from lawyers).

    OpenSecrets Campaign Finance Information for John Edwards

    I guess the question would be whether you can make a judgment on a candidate based on how much more or less money he's taking from big business than the other guys or gals, even though he's still taking money from them. I tend not to worry about that kind of thing so much, but I don't actually think our national leaders should necessarily make decisions based on popular opinion and it seems to me like that's what concern about campaign finance often rests on (I'm a Burkean in that way).
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 29, 2007 7:51 PM GMT
    Hillary has a snowbals chance in hell of winning. What did she do for NYC during 911- Squat compaired to Rudy. She is a fake and a phonyicon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif

    What a waste of campaign money as well!! She should put it toward the state she claims to love--NOT
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    Oct 29, 2007 7:59 PM GMT
    That is, of course, assuming either of the candidates wins the nomination (something that I think is far more up in the air right now than a lot of people are assuming, considering the polls in Iowa).

    Assuming that both do win, however, Hillary is currently running ahead of or at a dead heat with Giuliani in most polls of potential candidate matchups.

    Clinton vs. Giuliani

    I'm just not sure Giuliani can win a race based solely on his mayoral performance during September 11, 2001. He's a bit of a one-trick pony if you ask me. But then, I also think he's a douche.
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    Oct 29, 2007 8:01 PM GMT
    Obama has staffers that take care of stuff for him like that, so he probably had no idea. He is distancing himself from it, so get over it.

    Also, it isn't just about experience, but about who your cabinet is. And I think he could assemble a great bi-partisan cabinet that would be far better than hillary.

    And on top of all that, Hillary is a republican in dems clothing. She sold out on health care and now the plan she has is lacking. If you are going to vote for a neo-con, just change to the republican ticket.
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    Oct 29, 2007 8:22 PM GMT
    ya'll have some strong convictions when it comes to politics.

    the question remains, are you guys doing anything to pursue or change the government, or just talk smack about it?

    we have to give them props, no one person sees the same thing or experiences it as another person. No one candidate will ever be 100 percent perfect.
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    Oct 29, 2007 8:24 PM GMT
    I will vote for Edwards before I vote for Hilary.

    The reason is strategic. The right wing seems too excited and certain about the idea of Hilary being the nominee. It's like they WANT her to run... meaning, I suspect, they have all kinds of plans up their sleeve on how to run against her. I don't trust it.
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    Oct 29, 2007 8:27 PM GMT
    All I know is that Ireland has a female president and my family from there says they can't even consider another man running their country.
  • cacti

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    Oct 29, 2007 8:42 PM GMT
    Chewy, you're absolutely right that no one is 100% clean... but in comparison he comes out far better IMO. Unfortunately there is never going to be a perfect candidate.

    I'm not sure exactly how telling these stats are, but on the presidential index page you can see the total amount of money spent for each candidate as well as their debts. These particular numbers stuck out to me.

    Clinton, Hillary- total raised: $90,935,788 debts: $2,347,486

    Obama, Barack- total raised: $80,256,427 debts: $1,409,740

    Edwards, John- total raised: $30,329,152 debts: $0



    Romney, Mitt- total raised: $62,829,069 debts: $17,350,000

    Giuliani, Rudy- total raised: $47,253,521 debts: $169,256

    McCain, John- total raised: $32,124,785 debts: $1,730,691
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 29, 2007 9:52 PM GMT
    Douche or not he is far from a one trick pony- I guess you are not up on his numerous visits to the middle east!! What he has done and is doing to find a peaceful solution there. he is also the most concerned runner on homeland security and knows far more on the topic than any other candidates thus far.

    Obama didn't need Obama girl to crush his campaign he is too young!!

    Mit now there's the douche bag.
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    Oct 29, 2007 9:55 PM GMT
    I'm voting for Stephen Colbert.