WTF? Amazon homophobic???!!!

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    Apr 13, 2009 3:07 AM GMT
    Apparently Amazon has decided that GLBT books and dvds are "adult material" and therefore we should be protected from this type of material. Has anyone here experienced anything like this?
    I just emailed them and received this automated response that it's a bug they are working out, yet when I searched the word "homosexual" I come up with all these "pray the gay away" bestseller books. Here's a letter someone on livejournal wrote Amazon.

    TO: ecr@amazon.com

    SUBJECT: Unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable.

    To whom it may concern,

    I am writing to inform you that I will not be ordering from Amazon until such time as you cease excluding GLBT and other "adult" material from appearing in bestseller and search lists, and until their sales rankings have been restored.

    I have been very pleased with Amazon until now. This pleasure has been reflected in the amount of money I and my husband spend with Amazon. I'll wait while you go look at the numbers.

    See them?

    You aren't getting any more of it until you start treating us like adults.

    Your backwards policies are censoring the appearance GLBT books on bestseller, search, and ranking lists, as well as negative affecting heterosexual adult erotica as well. It is also negatively affecting YA novels that treat with the subject sympathetically -- books that, far from "corrupting," could arguably do a great deal of good to a child suffering a crisis of sexual identity. None of this is acceptable.

    You, through someone called "Ashlyn D," claim this is "in consideration for [your] entire customer base."

    How utterly revolting, patronizing, and stupid. For shame!

    I do not need such consideration. No adult needs such consideration. Are we children? Do squalling infants make up the majority of your customer base? Do you honestly believe that grown men and women need to be protected from the gay and lesbian menace? Are you truly that shortsighted, backwards, and stupid? Disappointing. Disappointing and nauseating.

    Yet I, and people like me, are not being treated like humans, but more like something the cat accidentally did outside the box and which now needs to be covered over or flushed away. Therefore I don't believe I need to be part of your "entire customer base."

    I will be announcing on my online journal, which as of this morning has 1,495 subscribers, that they should not be part of your customer base, either.

    If the lowest common denominator is all you cater to, the lowest common denominator is all you will be left with. If you truly think your "entire customer base" is composed of morons and bigots and pearl-clutching ninnies, I am just as glad not to be a part of it, and I suspect my good readers, being people of conscience and intelligence, will agree.

    And apparently, your message to us would be "good riddance." That's pretty much the only way I can interpret this flagrant display of bigotry and privilege: as a great, flashing sign that says "FAGS NOT WELCOME."

    Well, we're gone, along with all our heterosexual allies; gone until such time as you reverse this disgusting and pointless practice. I look forward to hearing that you have done so.

    I also hope that you will be thoughtful enough to provide an apology, since gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people are, in fact, moral human beings with functioning emotions, and who really do not care to have our interests marginalized or swept under the rug like some sort of revolting secret.

    If you have an explanation for this pathetic foolishness, I should like to hear that, too. Feel free to respond. I would love to know how you plan to defend this nonsense. Please be very specific about what you fear will happen if people run across GLBT titles in searches and lists. Also, since the literature needs to be hidden away, I would like to know just how dangerous and corrupting and horrible you consider me to be.

    Emphatically and disgustedly yours,

    Amanda A. Gannon

    Here's the link to that livejournal post.

    http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/394008.html

    What does anyone think? Is this bigotry? An honest glitch? Or have the fucking fundies taken over Amazon?

  • Apr 13, 2009 6:25 AM GMT
    Thanks for bringing this stupidity to our attention. I'll check it out.
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    Apr 13, 2009 6:32 AM GMT
    See forum topic:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/489061/
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    Apr 13, 2009 6:41 AM GMT
    I seriously need to get a sheet of plexiglass over my monitor so when I read something like this I stop breaking my monitor with my head slamming into the computer.

    -slam
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    Apr 13, 2009 1:39 PM GMT
    Amazon Rank
    amazon rank
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): amazon ranked


    1. To censor and exclude on the basis of adult content in literature (except for Playboy, Penthouse, dogfighting and graphic novels depicting incest orgies).
    2. To make changes based on inconsistent applications of standards, logic and common sense.

    Etymology: from 12 April 2009 removal of sales rank figures from books on Amazon.com containing sexual, erotic, romantic, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered or queer content, rendering them impossible to find through basic search functions at the top of Amazon.com's website. Titles stripped of their sales rankings include "Bastard Out of Carolina," "Lady Chatterley's Lover," prominent romance novels, GLBTQ fiction novels, YA books, and narratives about gay people.

    Example of usage: "I tried to do a report on Lady Chatterley's Lover for English Lit, but my teacher amazon ranked me and I got an F on grounds that it was obscene."

    Alternate usage: "My girlfriend wanted to preserve her virginity, and I was happy to respect that, then she amazon ranked and decided anal sex was okay."

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    Apr 13, 2009 2:07 PM GMT
    Sounds like a glitch to me
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    Apr 13, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    luvjunkie saidApparently Amazon has decided that GLBT books and dvds are "adult material" and therefore we should be protected from this type of material. Has anyone here experienced anything like this?
    I just emailed them and received this automated response that it's a bug they are working out, yet when I searched the word "homosexual" I come up with all these "pray the gay away" bestseller books. Here's a letter someone on livejournal wrote Amazon.

    TO: ecr@amazon.com

    SUBJECT: Unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable.

    To whom it may concern,

    I am writing to inform you that I will not be ordering from Amazon until such time as you cease excluding GLBT and other "adult" material from appearing in bestseller and search lists, and until their sales rankings have been restored.

    I have been very pleased with Amazon until now. This pleasure has been reflected in the amount of money I and my husband spend with Amazon. I'll wait while you go look at the numbers.

    See them?

    You aren't getting any more of it until you start treating us like adults.

    Your backwards policies are censoring the appearance GLBT books on bestseller, search, and ranking lists, as well as negative affecting heterosexual adult erotica as well. It is also negatively affecting YA novels that treat with the subject sympathetically -- books that, far from "corrupting," could arguably do a great deal of good to a child suffering a crisis of sexual identity. None of this is acceptable.

    You, through someone called "Ashlyn D," claim this is "in consideration for [your] entire customer base."

    How utterly revolting, patronizing, and stupid. For shame!

    I do not need such consideration. No adult needs such consideration. Are we children? Do squalling infants make up the majority of your customer base? Do you honestly believe that grown men and women need to be protected from the gay and lesbian menace? Are you truly that shortsighted, backwards, and stupid? Disappointing. Disappointing and nauseating.

    Yet I, and people like me, are not being treated like humans, but more like something the cat accidentally did outside the box and which now needs to be covered over or flushed away. Therefore I don't believe I need to be part of your "entire customer base."

    I will be announcing on my online journal, which as of this morning has 1,495 subscribers, that they should not be part of your customer base, either.

    If the lowest common denominator is all you cater to, the lowest common denominator is all you will be left with. If you truly think your "entire customer base" is composed of morons and bigots and pearl-clutching ninnies, I am just as glad not to be a part of it, and I suspect my good readers, being people of conscience and intelligence, will agree.

    And apparently, your message to us would be "good riddance." That's pretty much the only way I can interpret this flagrant display of bigotry and privilege: as a great, flashing sign that says "FAGS NOT WELCOME."

    Well, we're gone, along with all our heterosexual allies; gone until such time as you reverse this disgusting and pointless practice. I look forward to hearing that you have done so.

    I also hope that you will be thoughtful enough to provide an apology, since gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people are, in fact, moral human beings with functioning emotions, and who really do not care to have our interests marginalized or swept under the rug like some sort of revolting secret.

    If you have an explanation for this pathetic foolishness, I should like to hear that, too. Feel free to respond. I would love to know how you plan to defend this nonsense. Please be very specific about what you fear will happen if people run across GLBT titles in searches and lists. Also, since the literature needs to be hidden away, I would like to know just how dangerous and corrupting and horrible you consider me to be.

    Emphatically and disgustedly yours,

    Amanda A. Gannon

    Here's the link to that livejournal post.

    http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/394008.html

    What does anyone think? Is this bigotry? An honest glitch? Or have the fucking fundies taken over Amazon?


    Amanda, you're a sensationalist, melodramatic, whiny bitch. Go fight for world hunger or help the thousands of homeless people you pass an eye over everyday on your way to work. And yes, you sound like a squalling child.

    Gay stuff has always come up in general searches on Amazon. I just did a search and the first page has a book JOY OF GAY SEX, three movies with men making out, a semi nude dude in rainbow boxers and angel wings, and a bunch of skin movies. And they have sales rankings.

    -500 on the emo whine.

    luv, you should really double check to see if someone is full of shit before you go agreeing with them.
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    Apr 13, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    Amazon claims it is a glitch they're working to fix:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/amazon-claims-glitch-caus_n_186054.html
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    Apr 13, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    This is also being discussed on this thread: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/489061/
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    Apr 13, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    gay threw up what appears to be gay fiction

    Strings Attached by Nick Nolan (Paperback - April 19, 2006)
    Buy new: $12.9920 Used & new from $10.45
    Get it by Tuesday, April 14 if you order in the next 2 hours and choose one-day shipping.
    Eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping.
    (41)
    Other Editions: Kindle Edition
    Excerpt - page 19: "... hadn't occurred to him until now that he also looked gay. ..."
    Surprise me! See a random page in this book.

    but homosexual

    A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi (Paperback - Oct 2002)
    Buy new: $17.00 $11.5635 Used & new from $7.55
    Get it by Tuesday, April 14 if you order in the next 6 hours and choose one-day shipping.
    Eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping.
    (180)
    Excerpt - page 20: "... 20 A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality Pasadena, California. I picked up the receiver and heard a ..."
    Surprise me! See a random page in this book.

    and the cue it gave was "homosexuality and the bible"
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    Apr 13, 2009 10:53 PM GMT
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    luvjunkie saidApparently Amazon has decided that GLBT books and dvds are "adult material" and therefore we should be protected from this type of material. Has anyone here experienced anything like this?
    I just emailed them and received this automated response that it's a bug they are working out, yet when I searched the word "homosexual" I come up with all these "pray the gay away" bestseller books. Here's a letter someone on livejournal wrote Amazon.

    Here's the link to that livejournal post.

    http://naamah-darling.livejournal.com/394008.html

    What does anyone think? Is this bigotry? An honest glitch? Or have the fucking fundies taken over Amazon?


    Amanda, you're a sensationalist, melodramatic, whiny bitch. Go fight for world hunger or help the thousands of homeless people you pass an eye over everyday on your way to work. And yes, you sound like a squalling child.

    Gay stuff has always come up in general searches on Amazon. I just did a search and the first page has a book JOY OF GAY SEX, three movies with men making out, a semi nude dude in rainbow boxers and angel wings, and a bunch of skin movies. And they have sales rankings.

    -500 on the emo whine.

    luv, you should really double check to see if someone is full of shit before you go agreeing with them.


    Dear whoeverthefuckyouare,

    your search may have been recent but my search for the gay section as of last night brought up everything EXCEPT the stuff I wanted to see, I did a search for John Barrowman's autobiography by searching for autobiography/gay, non-existant according to Amazon, then I searched for it by autobiography/theatre and there it was. They may have done damage control since I posted this topic, but fact remains, Amazon tried to do something on the sly. I noticed this a week ago when I went there to order the movie Trick. Also, FYI, Amanda is a prolific and published writer, and I think you as a gay man would feel grateful that someone other than a gay is crying foul on this. But, guys like you would rather slink away to post inflammatory refuse of this nature while keeping your identity secret, if it was left up to you censorship would run rampant and soon there would be no freespeaking of any sort. Go hide yourself amongst your straight kind and keep your nose out of gay goings on as apparently you're on the other side.