Why the segragation as opposed to integration?

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    Apr 16, 2009 3:49 AM GMT
    I find it baffeling sometimes how much we strive to integrate ourselves within a community's fabric, yet find all of these requests of creating gay dorms, gay travel, gay boutiques, gay hotels, etc... why is it that we want to segragate ourselves from a community, regardless of its levels of tolerance, when all what we want, hypothetically, is to be treated normally like any other human being?
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    Apr 16, 2009 4:55 AM GMT
    Those of like mind like to congregate, and if the group is gay you don't have to ask yourself 'is he gay?' and you aren't likely to get shit no matter how outrageously gay you act.
    I suppose that works for an orgy boat, but as for the rest.. strength in numbers?

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    Apr 16, 2009 5:27 AM GMT

    Maybe because we aren't integrated yet and on top of that, we will always be a community of our own and have our individual culture in tack. It's like ethnic groups like Asian, Hispanic, Italian, Greek, Black; they represent a part of society, but are an indivudal accepted part of society and are allowed to be recognizably ethnic and flaunt their culture. We are us and should stay us, but strive for acceptance of "us", so we can integrate into society. Changing to be more like society would make us something not us and if that is what integration means, why isn't any other group doing that?

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    Apr 16, 2009 6:39 AM GMT
    I think that until our society fully accepts, whether on their own or through law, us a gays and lesbians secondarily, our primary focus will continue to be a fight to be seen as equal. Meanwhile, there is really nothing wrong with the existence of gay hotels, shops, stores, etc. In fact, I wish I could find a doctor who is gay and a dentist who is gay instead of having to go through the 'interview' process to find out if they would have an issue with having a patient who is gay. I had once said that gay marriage would not see the light of day in my lifetime. I was wrong about that. I hope I am wrong about society with us as well.
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    Apr 16, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
    Thank you gentlemen for your replies.
    I hope I haven't caused any unintended offense through my post.

    Though I do admire GuiltyGear's response, I have to say that you can't simply compare ethnic backgrounds with sexual orientations. They are of different categories. Regardless, should I want to get along with the scenario, I would argue back and say that such different cultures DO coexist, and hence the name: multicultural pot.

    I am not saying we should go with the flow, the crowd or whatever force that is pushing human kind towards its fate, but there comes the question of when is too much segragation and when is it not enough integration? Where are the limits? When are boundaries diluted for a positive outcome and to what degree they should be diluted?

    I am sorry I'm babeling in here, but I just thought I would share my thoughts, as I don't I'm alone in this dilemma.

    Thank you
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    Apr 16, 2009 8:13 AM GMT
    honestly, I think the idea of a gay dorm would be cool because then you can meet so many different gay people, I sometimes find it hard to meet other gay guys, nothing to do with segregation
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    Apr 16, 2009 8:22 AM GMT

    I SAID they coexist. If we are talking about social integration: sexual orientation is exactly like an ethnic group. We are are a community and come with our own culture and definable characteristics. much like an ethnic group we are subject to discrimination and right now, are figthing for all of our rights. Could you define a difference?

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    Apr 16, 2009 9:29 AM GMT
    i agree - the idea of gay dorms is a good one and gay resorts sound like so much more fun than normal ones - and who says we can't do this and be a part of 'mainstream society'
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    Apr 17, 2009 7:28 AM GMT
    As well as the complaints about straight people going into gay bars. icon_razz.gif

    It's threatening to the older generations I think, because they have always lived on the fringes of acceptable society. Being gay can also be viewed as a status which differentiates you from the herd.
    Personally, I can't wait for the day when two guys making out in a predominantly straight pub is just acceptable and normal as a heterosexual couple in a gay bar.