United Airlines to Charge Obese People for Two Seats.

  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 16, 2009 1:10 PM GMT
    I think it is a good idea. You don't like it, put down the twinkies and get your fat ass in the gym. Unlike sexual preference, weight is a choice!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 16, 2009 1:16 PM GMT
    Well as usual, you bring up a good topic... very worthy of discussion and
    make some slightly warped comment.

    I don't have a problem with the basic idea of charging a greatly overweight person with an extra charge. I don't know if I'm comfortable with suggesting what that charge might be.. I think that if implemented, the action may well invite legal challenges and lots of bad press. I know I have flown next to an obese person and it isn't fun...

    But bijock.. to suggest that all overweight people are overweight by "choice"
    is really not only an uninformed statement, but is just pretty stupid.
    You really should think about what your going to post in advance and phrase it a little differently.
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    Apr 16, 2009 1:20 PM GMT
    Ignorance is a choice.
    You prove that often in your threads bjm icon_rolleyes.gif
  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 16, 2009 1:23 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidIgnorance is a choice.
    You prove that often in your threads bjm icon_rolleyes.gif


    too bad ugly isn't a choice because then you would be able to do something about the shit stain you call a face
  • Timbales

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    Apr 16, 2009 1:55 PM GMT
    Actually, their policy states:

    if a passenger cannot fit into a single seat, buckle their seatbelt with an additional seatbelt extension, or put the seat’s armrest down, the airline will ask that passenger to pay for an extra seat or stay behind.

    There are a lot of bulky, bodybuilder types that spill over into the seat next to them who will subject to this as well.
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    Apr 16, 2009 1:58 PM GMT
    'too bad ugly isn't a choice because then you would be able to do something about the shit stain you call a face'

    ...... thus proving BodyWork4's observation.
  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 16, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    meninlove said'too bad ugly isn't a choice because then you would be able to do something about the shit stain you call a face'

    ...... thus proving BodyWork4's observation.


    how so?
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:47 PM GMT
    I read this article yesterday and it didn't make any sense to me.

    The article says that if there is an empty seat on the plane, the large passenger would be allowed to move to that row free of charge and use the extra seat. Ok, that makes sense.

    It then goes on to say that if there are no empty seats (ie: the plane is full), the passenger would be charged for another seat at the same price as their original ticket.

    On the surface, that makes sense. BUT, if the plane is full (no empty seats) and you force the passenger to buy a second seat, they don't actually GET a second seat. How is that legal? You're making someone buy an extra seat on the plane when an extra seat doesn't actually exist. And, the people sitting next to this large passenger still have to sit next to them.

    I just don't get it.
  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 16, 2009 2:48 PM GMT
    halltd saidI read this article yesterday and it didn't make any sense to me.

    The article says that if there is an empty seat on the plane, the large passenger would be allowed to move to that row free of charge and use the extra seat. Ok, that makes sense.

    It then goes on to say that if there are no empty seats (ie: the plane is full), the passenger would be charged for another seat at the same price as their original ticket.

    On the surface, that makes sense. BUT, if the plane is full (no empty seats) and you force the passenger to buy a second seat, they don't actually GET a second seat. How is that legal? You're making someone buy an extra seat on the plane when an extra seat doesn't actually exist. And, the people sitting next to this large passenger still have to sit next to them.

    I just don't get it.


    I think that they have to buy another ticket and take the NEXT plane...
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    My grandfather was a co-founder of United Air Lines. He always advocated first class seating for obese people (in public statements on the subject). In private however, he wished they'd take the trains! Seriously - he understood that if you took up two seats - you should pay for two seats, and that seems reasonable and just.
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:54 PM GMT
    I wonder if this same rule will apply to Bodybuilders Like Tim said or people who are what very tall over 6ft 2 and up and need the extra leg room.

    Should they be subjected to the same form of bigotry! It's a ploy for the air lines to make more money in this depressed econonmy.

    It's terrible!icon_mad.gif I smell a class action suit!
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    The biggest bunch of bullshit in this discussion is that the airlines have shrunk the amount of space available to everyone. I'm 5'10 160 and have a difficult time getting comfortable in those damned seats. Anyone defending UA on this issue is a reactionary too quick to dismiss the abominable treatment the airlines offer in favor of jumping on the "it's fatty's fault" bandwagon. Fuck the airlines and demand larger seats.
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    I think they should just make them fly first class since those seats are bigger. The thing is weight for the majority can be controlled, whether through diet and exercise or through medical health issues. It is up to all of us to take care of ourselves in a way that we see fit and lets face it, some people just don't mind being fat or either just do not care to put forth the effort to be in better shape. With all that said I dont hold anything against overweight people even though I think in most cases its preventable, but at the same time im sure its not comfortable to sit beside a 400 lb guy on a coast to caost flight because sitting beside most average people is not even comfy. There should be another way around this but I thought this was common practice already.
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    Apr 16, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    And BTW, BodyWork4 is anything but ugly as his profile pics can testify. Calling someone ugly in response to being called out on your ignorance goes a long way in proving the first assertion. Until you can show us your own pretty face, you're ugly, and BW4 is not.
  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 16, 2009 3:01 PM GMT
    McGay saidAnd BTW, BodyWork4 is anything but ugly as his profile pics can testify. Calling someone ugly in response to being called out on your ignorance goes a long way in proving the first assertion. Until you can show us your own pretty face, you're ugly, and BW4 is not.


    ok, i am ugly then
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidMy grandfather was a co-founder of United Air Lines. He always advocated first class seating for obese people (in public statements on the subject). In private however, he wished they'd take the trains! Seriously - he understood that if you took up two seats - you should pay for two seats, and that seems reasonable and just.

    My respects to your grandfather, and to you. I have been forced to sit in Coach with obese passengers, who squeezed me out of my own seat. Usually I fly First Class where this is not a problem, but sometimes First Class is full and Coach is my only choice.

    Obese people should fly in the luggage compartment, and not impose upon the passengers. Being grossly fat is a self-inflicted wound that should not be inflicted upon other passengers. If you wanna weigh as much as 2 people, then buy 2 tickets. End of issue.
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:08 PM GMT
    Bijock.

    Bigotry, disdain and apparent hatred towards over weight people is a bit of shock.

    Especially since you felt that we were expressing bigotry and hatred towards you in your post regarding your bisexuality. WOW!

    Your earlier words are not only very hurtful towards anyone who struggles with their weight on a daily basis it also speak to the level of intelect and humanity or the lack there of.



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    Apr 16, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    its a great idea bc they really do take up 2 seats, and if they didnt sell that seat they would sell it to sum1 else and it woudl be very very uncomfortable with that person
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    Actually, in light of the way that some airlines are charging for you to check baggage and are very swift to put excess baggage charges on you, I wouldn´t mind a total weight limit: person and luggage. OK I would loose out to the 140lb skinnies, but I can cope. THey can´t lift heavy bags anyway

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    Or maybe even better. You can only take bags on the plane that you can lift unaided for a 50 m walk...

    (muahahahah)




    OK. Not being serious.
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    One of the Canadian airlines (Westjet I believe) tried to do this and it was overturned by the courts.

    It makes economic sense since the airline cannot fill a revenue generating seat due to a person taking up so much room. Airlines are really struggling to generate revenue due to the current economic climate so I am not surprised that United Airlines is trying to do this. But they run the risk of being seen as "mean-spirited".

    I agree with McGay that airline seats are more cramped. Since the 1960s the seat pitch (the distance from the seat in front of you) has decreased from about 34" to as low as 31" in economy.

    Furthermore, airlines are flying smaller regional jets between cities when they used to fly the larger 727s, 737s and Airbuses. The seating in regional jets is definitely more cramped.

    The problem with obese passengers though is not their height but their width! I don't think passenger seats in the regular airliners have gotten narrower, but I could be wrong. One thing for sure, obesity is far more common than it was 30 or 40 years ago.
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    Should people with thyroid illnesses be punished or just those with self inflicted obesity? Is the idea to punish people or to make things comfortable for passengers? If we're punishing people, what do we do about smelly people, gassy people who probably brought their gas on themselves? Do we keep people off the plane who are sneezing and coughing? What about crosseyed people? You can't really tell if they're looking at you and that could be scary, like a terrorist.

    You do realize, too, don't you, that's it's the ticketing agents who get to determine who's overweight. If Karen Carpenter were to come back to life and give up her musical career to become a high-powered human obesity detecting ticketing agent, none of us would escape the double fare.

    Make the damned seats bigger!
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:13 PM GMT
    can skinny people pay less? i'm willing to give up and inch or two.
  • jeepguySD

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    Apr 16, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    I fly a lot... too much in fact. While I agree that the airlines have made the seats too small even for "normal" sized people, those who are truly obese create problems for others on the aircraft.

    I once flew from San Diego to Chicago, a long flight, in which the woman in the seat next to me was so fat that she could not put the armrest down, and her ass and thighs took up at least a quarter of my of my seat if not more. I was pretty skinny at the time, only 126 lbs, and yet it was impossible for me to get comfortable. No matter how I sat in my own seat I could not avoid her rubbing against me. It was not fair to me nor anyone else who might sit next to her.

    Someone like her should buy two tickets and occupy two seats. One would hope they would do so voluntarily just for their own comfort and to be considerate of others. But if they don't, airlines should be able to force them to.

    But maybe, to soothe those offended by the perceived persecution of fat people, all airlines should simply base fares on body weight... period. More weight = more fuel burned by the aircraft. Charge by fuel comsumption rather than the same price for all, and make seat assigments according to ass size. Just a thought.
  • David0728

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    Apr 16, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    I'm kind in between regarding this topic. When I was flying back to Cleveland from Vegas I had to sit next to this very heavy-set woman and it was so awkward. The handrest was up and her body was pressed against mine the whole time. It was very uncomfortable because her one thigh was more than twice the size as mine. But she was very nice and we did talk a little bit on the way home, so that made it better. If she was overweight and a bitch I would've been upset, but she was nice.
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    Apr 16, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    What about a 250 bb should he have to by and extra seat or a guy who is over 6ft 5 or maybe 7 feet. Should they have to buy extra ticket?

    This is just stupid! The level of bigotry here.icon_rolleyes.gif