Male Rape in the Middle East

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    Nov 01, 2007 7:42 AM GMT
    Interesting case of male rape in the UAE: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/world/middleeast/01dubai.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    From things i have heard here, this goes on a lot more than reported and the police and have a very real anti-gay bias. Reminds me how scary this part of the world can be.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:03 AM GMT
    I've always wondered (honestly) about this topic. What if somebody (anywhere) gets raped by someone of the same sex? I've heard little of the legal remedies and how something like this goes over in the courts.

    And how many times this happens (with a hookup gone wrong) and is never reported.....
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    Nov 01, 2007 10:59 AM GMT
    I hear about a few of these rapes in this part of the world but they are rarely ever reported in the press. Not sure if it is a cultural thing but the receiver or rapee is considered homosexual but the rapist is not seen as such and this affects the police bias.

    I have myself met some extremely aggressive types here who would have tried to force themselves if not for the fact that i am a fairly decent size and avoid dangerous out of the way locations.
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    Nov 01, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    I know this a bit off topic, but I'll throw it out there anyway. From what I understand if you sexually harass someone of the opposite gender at work and the same gender, its no longer sexual harassment cause it doesn't single out any one gender. There was a case where a boss made advances to a woman and here husband, and the verdict was that the boss got away with it. Or something ridiculous like that. Any lawyers know what I'm talking about, I remember this vaguely from a Business Law class I took.
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    Nov 01, 2007 6:41 PM GMT
    Just a quick note:

    In the US, the legal possibility of male-on-male rape varies by state. Some states define rape purely as a heterosexual possibility, often defining females as the only potential rape victims. Some other states open not only for same-sex rape, but also non-penile rape; for example, I believe Florida defines rape as the involuntary penetration of an orifice, regardless of sex or means of entry.

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    Yes, technically that could define some seemingly non-rape occurences (stuffing someone's mouth with food for example) as rape; I suspect that the potential court would show enough jurisprudence to toss such a definition out of court.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:42 PM GMT
    it happens a lot more than ever reported. I have a Psychologist friend here in San Diego that ONLY deals with veterans returning from iraq and afghan that have been raped in one way or another.

    Very depressing some of the stories he has told me.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:55 PM GMT
    I guess there is a bizarre (though not valid, of course) sort of homophobic logic about it. The cops threaten to charge the victim with homosexuality, for reporting the rape. Meanwhile, the nutcases in the editorial pages here are claiming that gay rights means legalized rape of children. I suppose that you could say it's more or less consistent anyway.
  • hash420623

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    Nov 03, 2007 12:48 AM GMT
    Being from a country like Bahrain, we are no different. But it occurs less here than other countries. It occurs more in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Palestine and Sudan.
    Rape victims don't go to the police bcoz they would be treated as follows:
    1. the police would scorn them
    2. In some cases, even the police rape them too.
    3. The family disowns the victim for making his problem public.

    It has happened many times where men have forced themsleves on me. I just play along and tell them that let's do it somewhere more romantic and when they let their guard down and give them the slip. If you are a tough guy, then give these idiots the old uppercut and a kick in the balls. That will straighten them out.

    Try to aviod going with you don't know to lonely places. Meet them in a public area. And don't even walk on lonely roads, you are inviting trouble.
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    Nov 03, 2007 9:12 AM GMT
    what is it like for you zoot in dubai? is there an underground gay community?
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    Nov 03, 2007 10:44 AM GMT
    Male rape is vastly under reported everywhere, even here in the US.

    Victims are made to feel that it is their fault, or that they are somehow not masculine for 'allowing' it to happen.

    Law enforcement and prosecutors are usually incredibly unsympathetic at best.

    A Columbia University study back in the early ninties estimated that as many as half of the male street runaways and street kids in Manhattan had been raped by a close friend or family member before the age of 14. It turned out to be one of the top reasons for the kids to run away in the first place.

    The HRC has done blind surveys of mental health counselors and studies that show that male rape among adults may be almost as prevalent as female rape; yet it is almost never reported.

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    Nov 04, 2007 3:42 AM GMT
    hmmm... I dont know about the rest of the world, but here in the South everyone has a gun strapped to their belt or ankle. If you're in a place that doesnt allow guns (which is rare around here) then of course you're going to have your knife in your pocket or shoe. So that's probably why I've never heard of men getting raped around here. Because the raper will get a very startling bullet between the eyes. Also the police will look the other way in some parts of the south, if it's a case like that. They just ask that you bury the body well. icon_wink.gif You probably think I'm kidding, but I'm not. Down here if they want a problem gone, they dont have any concerns with you getting rid of it for them. Anyway, just be careful, cause there are a lot of freaks out there.
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    Dec 28, 2007 8:32 PM GMT
    oooh, there's more!!!

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740&page=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJGh4LF5fE&feature=related

    the verdict:
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/world/middleeast/13dubai.html


    the action:
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    http://boycottdubai.com/english/index_E.php

    yes, that's dubai for you...
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    Dec 28, 2007 9:03 PM GMT
    i've been covering male rape in muslim countries for the lgbt newspaper i work for. for those of you who don't know: a teen from switzerland (i believe) was gang raped by three men, 2 of whom were former prisoners (and 1 of whom was known to be hiv+). the boy and his mother have been persuing legal action, but not without suffering ill treatment from the local authorities. the boy and his family have had to leave the u.a.e. because of a threat that the victim could be charged with homosexual activity and put into jail himself. the perpetrators have been arrested and put back into jail; however, this happened only as a result of intense international pressue.

    in a related story, a woman in saudi arabia was sentenced to 100 lashes after she was gang raped. she was in a car with a male adult who was not her immediate relative. this is illegal in arabia. both the man and woman were assaulted; however, the man is not known to have filed a complaint. the woman was originally sentenced to 50 lashes for being alone with a man; however, upon filing a complaint her sentence was expanded for drawing international attention to herself rather than allowing the internal authorities to reconsider.

    is it underreported? of course. what would be the point of admitting you're a victim of sexual assault only to be further abused by the authorities?

    as for the notion that male rape doesn't happen in the South, i am a rape survivor myself. it does happen, but it is underreported for the same reasons mentioned above. i was told men can't be raped, except by other men related as first cousins or closer. there you have it. the problem isn't only the assault, but also the lack of support and action. in retrospect i wish i'd had a gun or knife strapped to my leg, but unfortunately that wasn't the case.
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    Feb 26, 2008 9:36 AM GMT
    DUH ! arab culture always has problems in all issues ...

    trust me I know.. they think that if a guy is top in male-on-male sex then he's not gay at all ..the fact that he's attracted to guys is'nt the case , it's just the position .. icon_confused.gif

    They need to learn more about the outside world ..
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    Feb 26, 2008 6:33 PM GMT
    hash420623 saidBeing from a country like Bahrain, we are no different. But it occurs less here than other countries. It occurs more in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Palestine and Sudan.
    Rape victims don't go to the police bcoz they would be treated as follows:
    1. the police would scorn them
    2. In some cases, even the police rape them too.
    3. The family disowns the victim for making his problem public.

    It has happened many times where men have forced themsleves on me. I just play along and tell them that let's do it somewhere more romantic and when they let their guard down and give them the slip. If you are a tough guy, then give these idiots the old uppercut and a kick in the balls. That will straighten them out.

    Try to aviod going with you don't know to lonely places. Meet them in a public area. And don't even walk on lonely roads, you are inviting trouble.



    Yes Habibi you are so right also here in Turkey although they are more liberal and there are lots of gays here well closet ones that is!
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    Feb 26, 2008 6:40 PM GMT
    Well, I don't know about the other parts of the world.. but it does happen here in the south. It's awful in any case.
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    Feb 26, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
    The thing about all these discussion is that they're missing a central point about rape: rape is about POWER over the victim and very little about sex. Yes, there are sex pervs who rape for sexual excitement/fulfillment - but deep down the root of their sexual urge is about non-sexual issues relating to power/control/etc.

    Hell - look at how many belittle the role of a bottom in male-male sex. Same as we do women. Submissive, passive, etc etc. As if it's somehow lesser and thus a negative. It's all about a pecking order. And rather sad.
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    Feb 28, 2008 9:08 AM GMT
    PhxAriz08:
    Arab Culture? I think you mean the Arab politics or their rules. Arab Culture is awesome. I love the Levantine Arab culture from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Palestine the best compare to Arabian Gulf Culture and North African Arab culture.
    Not true, if they see guy have sex with other man, they will consider him "gay."



    Culture....
    and I don't mean that all the arabs are ignorants in this issue .. some of them are very open minded ..it depends on the area... but in the community that I live in ..oh (Bad luck ..)
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    Feb 28, 2008 9:26 AM GMT
    Arabs are full of issues. Fact.
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    Feb 28, 2008 12:07 PM GMT
    The veiling and seclusion of women in the middle east has its effects.

    Men basically grow up and bond more with men, with little incidental contact with women (since a woman alone with a man is a crime). The women are viewed simply as things of pleasure and procreation.

    It's no wonder, a young boy would look so appetizing to them. icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 28, 2008 12:34 PM GMT
    Sedative14 saidThe veiling and seclusion of women in the middle east has its effects.

    Men basically grow up and bond more with men, with little incidental contact with women (since a woman alone with a man is a crime). The women are viewed simply as things of pleasure and procreation.

    It's no wonder, a young boy would look so appetizing to them. icon_neutral.gif


    If you have the least idea of what they do to these little boys... *cringe*
  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 28, 2008 12:49 PM GMT
    I was a sexually abuse (I dont like to considered myself rape victim) at 19 after accepting a ride from a stranger I meet in an adult bookstore. This happen in good old USA. Of course , I was partially to blame for being so trusting, naive and stupid. I think I go thru the detail of what happen in one of the earlier thread. My point is, even in USA with law and regulation I do not report it to the police. What I gonna say, some guy rape me in the wood, I am gay and that why I follow him expecting to have sex. Embarrased myself further among those policeman.

    If a victim do not report it in United States, what make you think some rape victim in a country in Middle East that outlaw homosexuality want to make public such thing. You learn your lesson and move on...

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    Feb 28, 2008 12:57 PM GMT
    zakariahzol said

    If a victim do not report it in United States, what make you think some rape victim in a country in Middle East that outlaw homosexuality want to make public such thing. You learn your lesson and move on...



    It's got something to do with this place's disillusioned concept of Utopia that makes a huge difference. icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 28, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    About the Saudi woman, she was sentenced to whipping not because she was raped but because she was alone in a car with a man who was neither her husband nor a male relative. Sick & twisted, yes. Fortunately the international community managed to pressure the Saudi judiciary to drop the charge. Hopefully this woman created a precedent for all other women not to accept this type of barbaric injustice.
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    In other news, Arab cultures (and men) are beautiful = language, food, music, dance (dabke anyone?)

    Arab societies...ignorant, backwards, paradoxical, and intolerant are only a few words that can describe it.

    I have been to Dubai, and the treatment of many Gulf Arab locals to outside nationalities (I'm Iraqi) mixed with the superiority complexes and the status quo's take on sexuality is outright disturbing and a perfect recipe for the sort of crime committed against Alexandre and what happened afterwards.

    Here's a mini-documentary about one Arabic society: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEfVs6qaLSA
    and this is in Lebanon, considered the most liberal Arabic country!

    Not to generalize of course, I've been exposed to many great people from the PhArz08's Levant Arabs since that is who I am "closer" to, surprised to know how many of them have no issue with homosexuals and can differentiate between rape, power, and sex (mind you this is from my experience in the USA). Those from the Francaphone North African countries also tend to me more open to the west and western concepts. I've talked to some nice Gulf Arabs on this site as well.


    Unfortunately, the bottom line is:

    zimatar saidArabs are full of issues. Fact.