Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol

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    Apr 17, 2009 1:34 AM GMT
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    Apr 17, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    Its already been done AND made into a totally awesome vid!

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    Apr 17, 2009 4:04 AM GMT
    Well not that I agree wth what happened to the pastor but if he had nothing to hide why not let them search.All law enforcement are tought that anyone that refuses a search is likely hiding something so if you have nothing to hide let them search.
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    Apr 17, 2009 4:19 AM GMT
    I feel bad for the guy; he was right to stand up for his liberties and it's despicable how he was treated. But watching the video on the YouTube site and reading some of the commentary left by others, I find it equally alarming how many reicht-wingers are saying his story is "proof" of how corrupt Obama is. Apparently they've slept through the last 7 years during which government agencies' powers (to search and investigate and presume guilt) have grown exponentially through authoritarian fear-mongering post 9/11, and it wasn't under the current administration. Now government-sponsored bullies who've been on a two-term bender of power-abuse, believing that no one would question them, are carrying on the *exact* same way but suddenly it's the fault of an administration that's like 2 months old. Really shows how blinded a lot of people are by fanatical ideology.
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    Apr 17, 2009 4:32 AM GMT
    Tiller66 saidWell not that I agree wth what happened to the pastor but if he had nothing to hide why not let them search.All law enforcement are tought that anyone that refuses a search is likely hiding something so if you have nothing to hide let them search.



    That's the kind of talk that presumes guilt. Innocent, self-respecting people of conscience should feel free to refuse to be searched if they're doing nothing wrong. The authorities that want to do the searching should have to transparently justify why a particular person is being singled out, and absolutely, they should be willing and able to reproduce whatever it is that aroused their suspicion. So if it's a sniffer dog signaling something, they shouldn't hesitate to bring the dog back and have it do its thing again in front of the other agency's officers and the 'suspect.'

    If the law says you are free to go about your business without being arbitrarily detained or searched, then they have to be able to give you a damned good reason to infringe on that freedom. And the surest way to lose it is to surrender it out of submission to authority to "prove" how innocent you are.
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
    well from the video, there was no reason to conduct a search. Once I was driving in the middle of no where across the west plains and it was about 3am,
    out of the middle of no where, in the distance, came a car light, speeding in my direction, as he got close to me, I sped up to over a 100mph, I was scared of this situation, after many miles, the car was a police car, and finally put on the lights, I slowed down, but refused to roll down my window or get out of the car, I cracked the car window and showed my license and reg. and he took the flash light and looked inside the car and trunk, thought I was a late night drug smuggler. He was actually pretty cool about it since my record it clean and I obviously did not fit the areas drug or crime profile, fortunately, he let me go. But I told him there was no way I was getting out of the car and if he had a problem he could call some of my family on the Detroit police depart. and that he should not be chasing me and scaring me like that as well. If he was not the police and I got out of the car, I would not be here writing this. So stand up , but have a clean record, is the moral.
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    Hmmm shame...prolly figured he was gay...I guess it's good to see how the str8 worlds rights get stepped on...look how they CRY!!

    I did comment on his youtube page. I mean he should be more OBEDIENT....now, when he sees the judge he can BEG for forgiveness.....

    At the boarder check point...you fool...turn the other cheek and get it kicked in like a good pussy preacher!!
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    Apr 17, 2009 7:23 AM GMT
    Will this be used as a weapon in the complaints about "Christian Bashing"? You bet it will, regardless of the fact that this was terribly insignificant compared to what's been happening to 'lesser mortals' way before this.

    Does the fact that he is a Baptist pastor make his voice louder? Is it an issue because he was supposed to be 'immune' to it? Where was he on incidents NOT involving men of the cloth?
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    Apr 18, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    Tiller66 saidWell not that I agree wth what happened to the pastor but if he had nothing to hide why not let them search.All law enforcement are tought that anyone that refuses a search is likely hiding something so if you have nothing to hide let them search.


    Hell no, Tiller! I say tell the officer to kind fo!
    Refusing to surrender right of protection against unlawful search = assaulted by police. Welcome to the Police State.

    They don't have the right to search you, but they damn well try to intimidate you into allowing a search or sway with clever little lines such as 'If you have nothing to hide you won't mind, right?'

    Remember, when a cop looks at you he sees Enemy. If you don't have a badge you're just another potential threat, nothing but a dirty civilian.

    You never consent to a search under any circumstances. When a cop's gaze pauses on you, he's thinking 'How can I fuck him over?' Not specifically, but that is the outcome when he throws your ass in county.

    ... I'm not a criminal, honest. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 18, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
    Maybe I'm a "bad human being" but I feel no sympathy for this guy.

    Where does he get off assuming that the rules don't apply to him? That somehow, being a man of god [falacy] he is so righteous as-to avoid a search.

    They should've continued their beatings until his jaw was wired shut, to spare Youtube some bandwidth a la this video. (I say this with love)
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    Apr 18, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    Cry me a freaking river!!!!!!!!!!!!!!icon_razz.gif

    Have none of you ever heard the term DWBicon_exclaim.gif

    This is a lot more commonicon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 18, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    What a stupendous asshole this guy is. It looks as if the christian taliban is ramping it up in the US. I regularly tune in to the focus on the family radio station on Sirius/XM. If you're only getting your perspective of things from major media outlets on tv and the web, you'd be in for a real eye opener if you spent a couple of hours listening to this shit. This bozo is simply serving up some of the same tea they served at those assinine tea parties on the 15th.

    "You never consent to a search under any circumstances."

    Try that bullshit at an airport.
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    Apr 18, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
    ucla_matta saidMaybe I'm a "bad human being" but I feel no sympathy for this guy.


    You're not a bad person... sometimes when people do things that don't make sense we wonder why we should feel sorry for them. He could have easily answered their questions and gone on his way. We don't have the benefit of the purported border patrol video or a "Rodney King" type video.

    The larger issue is the abuse of power. If this guy's story is true, and he was not violent or verbally assaulting, AND these border patrol agents were lying about the dog, then those agents should be fired and prosecuted for bad conduct and battery, period. I can't imagine a court that would uphold such behavior. Again, I speak from generality without all the facts.

    When we entrust someone with doing their job to protect us, and someone refuses to cooperate out of spite, it automatically sends a red flag. I believe reasonable people with nothing to hide could easily cooperate. This guy seemed more intent on making a spiteful statement of his 4th Amendment rights, and he can, but it was unnecessary.

    Legally, I would be interested in the outcome.

    EDIT: Yeah, I'd say he is an ass. I am being too polite icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 18, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    Assuming that his story happened the way he suggests it does...The "pastor" is an ass. He claimed to be beaten. The only visible injury is the gash in his head which happens when you are face planted into the ground for resisting arrest. This is posted on you tube the next day. No swelling and no bruises. Heads bleed. The time to protest police action is in the courts, not out in the field when the incident is in progress.