e-Mails (and RealJock mail) - Private or Not?

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    Nov 01, 2007 11:36 AM GMT
    This topic extends beyond "All Things Gay", but of the forum groups available here at RealJock, this group seems the most appropriate.

    My question is:

    Should one consider e-mails (and RealJock mails) as private or public correspondence?

    My personal view is that the contents of e-mails should not be shared with others (e.g. quoted in a forum) without the explicit permission from the sender (or with implicit permission, such as sending a "news letter" type correspondence to be shared among a family, group, etc.).
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    Nov 01, 2007 12:40 PM GMT
    I think standard netiquette is to regard private email as private and not to be publicly posted unless there is permission to do so. However, it's acceptable, in my opinion and the opinion of many others, to publicly post abusive private email.
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    Nov 01, 2007 12:49 PM GMT
    I would say unless you explicitly tell the person that you want your message kept confidential, then it is ok to publish it. But even then you had better know that the person will respect your wishes. The only real thing that is protecting your email message is that nobody else would care! ... icon_lol.gif

    I need to amend my posting...I would expect an email to be kept private in polite society. I am just saying that you cant be sure once you sent it what will happen to it. Just keep your emails boring and you wont have any trouble. ... icon_biggrin.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 01, 2007 1:01 PM GMT
    I'm kind of with Paradox with this one.... Its private between parties unless and until both parties agree to it becoming public (unless threatening, etc).
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    Nov 01, 2007 1:33 PM GMT
    mmm. Be aware that even with both parties agreeing to use proper etiquette, there are still plenty of nice folks out there who know how to read someone else's emails...and they generally aren't of a character to use proper etiquette when posting the contents.

    My vote is no, emails and RJMs should be considered private unless the other person says they aren't.
  • Laurence

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    Nov 01, 2007 1:53 PM GMT
    I'm with Paradox on this.

    Emails should be treated as private between sender and receiver.

    However if the sender gets abusive and steps over the line, then they shouldn't be too upset if the receiver makes the content of the email public.

    Lozx
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    Nov 01, 2007 4:00 PM GMT
    I've quoted emails sent to me by someone in the Forums once, but only as a defense as to what he was saying about me. It wasn't abusive but it was truthful. He never said he was offened by it, so I take it from his silence that he was fine with it.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:35 PM GMT
    Probably a different level of things, but in science, it's occasionally allowed to cite "personal correspondence" as a basis for a quotation or attribution. However, this is generally regarded as hearsay, because the person quoted has not made a public disclosure of the information.

    The only time that I recall following up on one of these "personal correspondence" citations, the person cited told me that in fact the citing author had completely distorted the facts, and the claim in question (still widely reported in the popular press) was a complete fabrication.

    Um... in other words, it's kind of a gray area. Very gray.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Nov 01, 2007 9:02 PM GMT
    I am in the same camp or in the same region as PDSurfer and Paradox.

    I consider personal e-mails I receive to be private and not quotable for any public setting without express permission. I expect the same as well (though I tend to write e-mails with the awareness that they might be accidentally or intentionally leaked). Even if the citation is benign, I do not like it when others try to make my case for me; if I want to get involved in a particular discussion, I will do so personally.

    If I have received info via e-mail that I believe is pertient to a discussion, I will at most allude to it. If I receive abuse e-mail, I report it to the relevant authorities (most likely the webmaster).

    Quoting private e-correspondence in a public/semi-public forum is (to me) like secretly taping an in-person conversation and then playing it for a public audience.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 02, 2007 9:43 AM GMT
    It's not really polite to post what other guys say in an email but it's not copyrighted material either
    ... a bit of electronic journalistic advice
    never write down in an email or in a handwritten letter either what you wouldn't want posted for the world to see
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    Nov 02, 2007 10:14 AM GMT
    it certainly isn't polite but manners are the 2nd casualty of war.

    are we talking about the, 'i'd like to suck your cock big boy', type of email or the, 'i'm a christian and i'd like to see you hung drawn and quartered and burn in hell fire for being a commpassionate liberal' type of email? (i've had both :lolicon_smile.gif

    like caslon says i'm not sure anyone would be interested in reading private sex talk but as crimthann says it is sometimes, sadly, necessary to quote defamation of character or the ramblings of the feeble.
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Nov 03, 2007 8:10 PM GMT
    I have never had a personal e-mail of mine posted so it is easy for me to say it is not confidential, and I have a confidential statement on my e-mail under my signature that reads."Caution: The information contained in this internet/facsimile message may be privileged, confidential, sensitive or other non-public information not intended for disclosure to anyone other than the intended recipient. Do not disseminate this message without the approval of the sender. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message."

    I have seen people post e-mails that have been sent to them and it appeared appropriate, but again it was not my e-mail. I always consider the chance that what I write may get out.

    Other than for issues related to plagiarism I do not think anything stops someone from posting or publishing your sent e-mails.

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    Nov 03, 2007 9:54 PM GMT
    I think all email is private correspondence, whether RJ or conventional email. I understand the intent in posting abusive content linked to the name of the abuser, but there is a wide variance in what people consider abusive. I noted that this happened recently on one of the forums.

    While I was pleased the person's abusiveness was "outed" to the group, I really didn't think that should have been made public.

    I think quoting the email without listing the source is OK, though. But, then, of course, its effectiveness as a punishment to the abuser goes away if his name is not linked.

    Anyway, I say keep all private correspondence private. Paraphrase if you want....but keep the actual mail private.

    John
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    Nov 03, 2007 10:25 PM GMT
    I've had to deal with this in my work, since I get a good bit of enraged email. The viewpoint of my lawyer is that if a reader responds personally to something that was written publicly, it is fair game for disclosure.

    This is actually being discussed nationally now because of an email exchange between Glenn Greenwald of Salon and the public information officer who works directly under Gen. Petraeus.

    Do you seriously think if someone writes you hate mail in response to something you've written publicly and ends it with "this email is for your eyes only," you are obligated to honor his stipulation?

    If you don't want to be embarassed, don't write crazy-ass personal mail to people.
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    Nov 03, 2007 11:26 PM GMT
    OW: "...Do you seriously think if someone writes you hate mail in response to something you've written publicly and ends it with "this email is for your eyes only," you are obligated to honor his stipulation?..."

    Oh, if the issue is something you've written publically, as opposed to a private email exchange, then I'd agree with you.

    I see the difference. Yes the "Forums" can be considered "public". However, I still think that relying on the judgment of someone on what is abusive or not is a grey area. Clearly, somethings are abusive, and would be considered as such by any rational person.

    And, I also agree with another poster that one should be extremely careful about what one says in a letter or an email. Even if the "rules of the game" are that such information be not disclosed, it could very well be disclosed by another.

    I've been bitten by that particular bug before, deeply, on my ass, with the result that I came out inadvertently by email to 150 or so colleagues...years ago.

    John
  • Kyawhtinlatt

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    Jun 08, 2011 10:49 AM GMT
    ObsceneWish saidI've had to deal with this in my work, since I get a good bit of enraged email. The viewpoint of my lawyer is that if a reader responds personally to something that was written publicly, it is fair game for disclosure.

    This is actually being discussed nationally now because of an email exchange between Glenn Greenwald of Salon and the public information officer who works directly under Gen. Petraeus.

    Do you seriously think if someone writes you hate mail in response to something you've written publicly and ends it with "this email is for your eyes only," you are obligated to honor his stipulation?
    Hi!how r u?I want to friend with u.
    If you don't want to be embara ssed, don't write crazy-ass personal mail to people.
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    Jun 08, 2011 10:59 AM GMT
    Well this can go both ways.

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    Jun 08, 2011 11:07 AM GMT
    PDSurfer saidMy personal view is that the contents of e-mails should not be shared with others (e.g. quoted in a forum) without the explicit permission from the sender (or with implicit permission, such as sending a "news letter" type correspondence to be shared among a family, group, etc.).

    I agree with you!..... but you forgot to include picsicon_smile.gif