Man responding to biased CNN reporter

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    Apr 17, 2009 10:18 AM GMT


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    Apr 17, 2009 10:24 AM GMT
    incase you didn't see the video he's talking about, here it is:



    the whole point of these tea parties was for people of all political parties to come together and protest against big gov't spending. because BOTH parties are guilty of this. we need to get back to true reagan conservative valeus.
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    Apr 17, 2009 10:47 AM GMT
    Reagan conservative values?

    He ballooned the size of the federal government, especially the military and security apparatus. He cut taxes but then realized he was going to run a huge deficit and signed the biggest tax increase in post war history.

    Here is a chart of the government's intake and expenditures. Over half go to the military and non-military national security (customs, FBI, CIA, border control, etc.). Most of the rest go to services - disease control, NASA, highways, safe drinking water and food, infrastructure, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Post office, Education, Energy, research and development, etc,

    You talk about wanting smaller government: Go through there and tell us exactly what parts of government should be cut? It's time to step up to the plate and be specific.
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    Apr 17, 2009 2:40 PM GMT
    You, sir, have just wasted 10 mins. of my precious time.

    Your shallow attempt at hiding your dislike of the current administration by icing it with "because BOTH parties are guilty of this" bullshit has been noted.

    True Reagan conservative values?

    Please do us all a favor, and get schooled before you start flame baiting.

    *edit - And after years of watching perpetually biased "reporting" from CNBC and my favorite fair and balanced broadcast journalists and producers over at Fox News (sarcasm intended there), I found the CNN slip-up to be nothing more than a refreshing blip on the radar.
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    Apr 17, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    Tapper saidYou, sir, have just wasted 10 mins. of my precious time.

    Your shallow attempt at hiding your dislike of the current administration by icing it with "because BOTH parties are guilty of this" bullshit has been noted.

    True Reagan conservative values?

    Please do us all a favor, and get schooled before you start flame baiting.

    *edit - And after years of watching perpetually biased "reporting" from CNBC and my favorite fair and balanced broadcast journalists and producers over at Fox News (sarcasm intended there), I found the CNN slip-up to be nothing more than a refreshing blip on the radar.



    it's true. bush, as well as other republicans did engage in a lot of gov't spending which totally goes against the conservative ideology. we need to weed the fiscally irresponsible ones out! i don't care what side of the coin you're on, anyone should be angry with all of the big gov't spending! the reason i brought up reagan is bc he was the last real conservative president we had. who believed that raising taxes on EVERYONE was wrong. you hurt business people, as well as the average american worker.
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    I remember the Reagan years and his "Trickle Down" economic plan. Big business got bigger and the little man go smaller and Reagan's conservative values caused him to wait 2 frigging years after he became aware of what we call today the HIV/AIDS epidemic to even utter the words to the nation and do something about American citizens dying. If these are the conservative values we are being asked to bring back, NO THANK YOU!
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidI remember the Reagan years and his "Trickle Down" economic plan. Big business got bigger and the little man go smaller and Reagan's conservative values caused him to wait 2 frigging years after he became aware of what we call today the HIV/AIDS epidemic to even utter the words to the nation and do something about American citizens dying. If these are the conservative values we are being asked to bring back, NO THANK YOU!

    Bravo!
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    Whenever the Republicans are caught in lies and contradictions, they fall back on the "both parties do it" defense.

    No, both parties don't do it. Republicans do it repeatedly. When Democrats in Congress have agreed to legislative compromises imposed by recalcitrant Republicans, in order to get at least something done, Republicans have turned around and unethically claimed that Democrats were to blame for these legislative decisions.

    The Republican strategy is: cooperate with us, or we will block everything. Do cooperate with us, and we will blame you for the results. A classic example of a pack with the Devil.
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:21 PM GMT
    jprichva saidThe teabaggers are SO full of shit.

    But that isn't what the teabaggers are about. This is the frustrated gasp of people who no longer control the political culture they think they're entitled to. Republicans think they have a God-given mandate to rule. It's sad, really.

    Yes. The Republicans, failing at the polls, have become the party of obstruction & lies, even approaching treason. I have always suspected they were all about Party first, and People second, but this has proven it.
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    Apr 17, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    my mom remembers the reagan years much better than i do. she did very well, and she was and still is far from being rich. even when my dad left, she raised a family on her own, without the help of big brother gov't.

    moving on from reagan fierceness, how many of you actually watched the videos i posted? because that was my main point in this thread. he makes very good points about this reporter, not commentator, reporter. she needs to get fired, become a commentator or quit what's she's doing and become the speaker of the DNC. As mad as i get when i see this video, it also makes me happy. a lot of undecided moderates (like myself back in the day) watch this network. more and more people are waking up, and seeing the behavior of this "reporter" should really open the eyes of many undecided voters. that's why i'm happy to see this on CNN. because most msnbc viewers are lost causes. there up there with keith "bed wetter" olbermann.

    ok, i'm done. those that disagree can keep bashing me and this great cause. those that agree can PM me. have fun, guys.

    =)
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
    To be fair... most of the tea-baggers are not really (currently) complaining about the lapse of the bush tax cuts, but about the trillion dollar deficits that we will someday have to pay back with massive taxes AND govt. cuts... and quite frankly I'm kinda worried about that too...

    Aren't there any other democrats who are worried about this?
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    Where were these parties when Bush was driving us into this mess and spending our American dollars in Iraq? We still haven't gotten a drop of oil from that damn place.
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
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    moving on from reagan fierceness, how many of you actually watched the videos i posted? because that was my main point in this thread. he makes very good points about this reporter, not commentator, reporter. she needs to get fired, become a commentator or quit what's she's doing and become the speaker of the DNC. As mad as i get when i see this video, it also makes me happy. a lot of undecided moderates (like myself back in the day) watch this network. more and more people are waking up, and seeing the behavior of this "reporter" should really open the eyes of many undecided voters. that's why i'm happy to see this on CNN. because most msnbc viewers are lost causes. there up there with keith "bed wetter" olbermann.

    ok, i'm done. those that disagree can keep bashing me and this great cause. those that agree can PM me. have fun, guys.

    =)


    Well, we can tell by your remark about Keith Olbermann that you're clearly not unbiased.

    As to the reporter, I think she was doing a decent job under frightening circumstances. It was obvious that most of the people there were not so much looking to simply comment or answer her question, but rather wanted to grab the mic from her and use it to spout from a bully pulpit. The first thing a reporter learns is NEVER allow a subject to grab that mic, and NEVER allow the subject to ramble on. If that happens, the reporter has lost control of the interview. In many respects, a reporter is much like a prosecuting attorney: they must control the interview, ask VERY specific questions, and allow ONLY specific, succinct answers to those questions. Otherwise, you are simply becoming a mouthpiece for whomever you point your camera at, and allowing those subjects who can't (or won't) get to the point to waste the viewer's time and patience, not to mention failing to get a clear answer. In that respect, while a good reporter must avoid editorializing, said good reporter must also prevent the subject from doing the same, and as such, that good reporter has an obligation to facts and accuracy to directly, on-camera, challenge any claim made by the subject that could be found to be untrue or innaccurate.
    You could tell that most of those teabaggers were basically full of shit when it came to actually expressing, in a reasoning manner, why they were there. They were, instead, simply parroting sound bites that others have parrotted to them.

    Much the same way the National Organization for Marriage did with that stupid video about "A Storm is Coming." There were no facts, just fear wrapped in rhetoric and sound bites. This is a technique the Republicans (think Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" policy) are adept at. "Why cloud the issues with facts when we can foment emotional reactions instead?" That's been the Republican M.O. since they were pushing Reagan on us at the end of the '70's.

    I have to agree with jprvicha, above, in saying that you are way too young to remember what Reagan was really like. You see the Reagan era through a romantic, nostalgic point of view because you were just a child then, and Reagan was very effective at putting rose-colored glasses on much of America, especially the younger folks who had very little political savvy. I still see that today: many people of my age bracket simply hated the man because they were old enough to understand politics. But those who were children during his administration seem to see him as this wonderful American grandfather who gave us "Morning In America." It was all romantic drivel, designed to instill and revive patriotism while at the same time taking the real issues of the day (especially the social issues) and sweeping them under the rug. I was almost of voting age while he was still governor of California. Every voter I knew who actually had any brains about them detested the man, and that general distain followed him to The White House.
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    The GOP as we know it is dead. It will forever be remembered for it's last 30 years as the party of smoke-and-mirrors. But that stuff never lasts.

    People want real solutions now, not tricks, lies and fearmongering designed to benefit a handful of greedy assholes.
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    Apr 17, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    GOP stands for "Grand Old Party," but these days it should mean "Get Out, Please!"
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    Apr 17, 2009 7:48 PM GMT
    I'm kind of getting tired of all this. People who are not informed who just offer emotionally inflated opinions to solve situations that they do not really understand. Everyone just keeps pointing fingers and never seems to do any real research or care about the outcome of any situations... IT IS GETTING FUCKING OLD!
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    Apr 17, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    Chi-town's CNN repin that bias flava.


    like the guy in the first video said," susan, thank you for exposing CNN and the mainstreem media. you did us a favor, idiot".
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    Apr 17, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    While I am NO fan of the current administration, I have to say, there is no desire in me to return to Reagan era economics.

    The Reagan era was the era of neo-liberalism. This is not "free market" economics, but is radical, fundamentalist, proto-fascist, government mandated predatory capitalism.

    We are, today, witnessing the death of neo-liberalism. Why would we want to return to that.

    Admittedly, I find the direction we are being moved in (to solve the crisis) to be MUCH worse than neo-liberalism itself... but, that doesn't mean neo-liberalism is the solution. After all, it got us where we are today.

    We need NEW ideas, not old failed disasters.

    And the new ideas need to come from the people... NOT the financial, corporate, or political elite (that includes Obama, sorry).
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    Apr 17, 2009 8:54 PM GMT
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    MeOhMy said Admittedly, I find the direction we are being moved in (to solve the crisis) to be MUCH worse than neo-liberalism itself... but, that doesn't mean neo-liberalism is the solution. After all, it got us where we are today.

    Uhhh...what's this 'we' stuff, Canadian boy? icon_smile.gif


    No man is an Island... no Empire is isolated.
    I'm talkin' 'bout WORLD direction. Last i checked... Canada is still a part of the world icon_eek.gif

    it's okay. i forgive you.. you're American, and Americans produced THIS, so... i understand:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&feature=related

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    Apr 17, 2009 9:37 PM GMT
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    MeOhMy said it's okay. i forgive you.. you're American, and Americans produced THIS, so... i understand

    (ya know, I was just teasing you, 'cause I think you're so smart and all..)


    "... and like - such as... the Iraq... maps.... etc" icon_biggrin.gif

    don't worry. I know not ALL Americans share the same intellectual abilities as Miss South Carolina... although I'm sure several inanimate objects do.
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    Apr 17, 2009 10:13 PM GMT
    I LOVE this icon_confused.gif

    True Reagan Ideals
    And what are they exactly because if you don't realize it
    Your Living those "TRUE REAGAN IDEALS" down right now

    The There's no government like a dead government way of thinking
    No Unions
    Murder the Schools by starving them to death and THEN Blame the teachers
    Align yourself with the Christian Taliban like Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts
    When thousands of Gay Men were dying of AIDS you NEVER even say the words for the 8 years you're in office?
    Sowed the seeds of the deregulation we're so much enjoying right at this moment

    So tell me pray tell .... what were those ideals we should be loving so much?
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    Apr 17, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
    John Stewart of the Daily show had this to offer HA!

    Take a gander :-)

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    Apr 17, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
    justinono saidJohn Stewart of the Daily show had this to offer HA!

    Take a gander :-)



    Jon Stewart is a funny dude
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    Apr 17, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
    BJJMMAFighter saidI'm kind of getting tired of all this. People who are not informed who just offer emotionally inflated opinions to solve situations that they do not really understand. Everyone just keeps pointing fingers and never seems to do any real research or care about the outcome of any situations... IT IS GETTING FUCKING OLD!



    Wow good thing I got a nap. That was a little nuts! I was loosing it there....so F ing tired. Anyway I wonder if Rush Limbaugh gets enough sleep?... because we all know he is not that angry because he didn't get enough to eat!
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    Apr 17, 2009 11:42 PM GMT
    GQjock saidI LOVE this icon_confused.gif

    True Reagan Ideals
    And what are they exactly because if you don't realize it
    Your Living those "TRUE REAGAN IDEALS" down right now

    The There's no government like a dead government way of thinking
    No Unions
    Murder the Schools by starving them to death and THEN Blame the teachers
    Align yourself with the Christian Taliban like Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts
    When thousands of Gay Men were dying of AIDS you NEVER even say the words for the 8 years you're in office?
    Sowed the seeds of the deregulation we're so much enjoying right at this moment


    oh,i like that much better! where do i sign up?