Chew on This... Why Gay Men Should go Vegetarian!

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    Nov 01, 2007 6:59 PM GMT




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    Check out this video for compelling reasons why gay men and all should go veg. It is not only ethical and environmentally friendly but reduces your risks for heart disease, cancer, obesity, cholesterol, and diabetes enormously. Not to mention, meat causes impotence and a vegetarian diet DOES prolong not only your general life but also your sexual life. Cheers.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:19 PM GMT
    We evolved with teeth meant for breaking down meat or tough substances.
    Reason enough to eat meat.

    I don't count "its not fair" "or animal pain" as worthy reasons not to eat meat. Do we care when a wolf eats a deer? Should be care?

    This video forgets the massive amounts of water that would be needed to irrigate crops such as the devastation that irrigation was caused to bodies of water like the Aral Sea.

    You might look into the the peoples of Northern Canada and Siberia. Groups of people eating the same diet for hundreds of years consisting mostly of raw meat. Oddly enough they have low rates of cancer or other big killer diseases or conditions.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:21 PM GMT
    Not to mention that overly satisfying feeling of sinking your teeth into a big juicy steak.

    When I grow up I wanna be a carnivore!
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:24 PM GMT
    Yawn.

    We're omnivores. I've yet to see a well conducted study to suggest otherwise.

    Also, many of those statements are simply false. Like reversal of heart disease and meat inherently making you fat.

    Also their numbers and explanations of cholesterol and heart attack are utter scientific garbage.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:26 PM GMT
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:51 PM GMT
    Here we go again!
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:52 PM GMT
    "This video forgets the massive amounts of water that would be needed to irrigate crops such as the devastation that irrigation was caused to bodies of water like the Aral Sea."

    Actually vegetarians use far less water and vegetation in order to farm crops. It takes far more water and vegetation to raise animals for meat.

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    As for the teeth argument, we are herbivores by nature. We are required to cook our meat, and we have evolved to be able to handle it. Our teeth are short and thin and are designed to chew, and grind nuts, seeds, vegetables, and fruits. Carnivorous animals have long sharp fangs designed to eat meat. So by nature we are designed to be vegetarian.


    As for vegan diets reducing diseases being B.S. I'd recommend you check with http://www.pcrm.org and the American Dietary Association which states that vegan diets if well planned are one of the healthiest things you can do to your body.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:54 PM GMT
    In addition our disgestive tracts are long, and meat rots in our body. Animals designed to eat meat have short digestive tracts which quickly process their prey.

    Look I am just pointing out facts, if you choose not to be vegetarian that is your perogative. I am not looking to attack anyones choices, just merely point out what in my opinion is the healthiest and most ethical choice.
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    Nov 01, 2007 7:57 PM GMT
    ^ thanks for being cool about it. The last guy that tried to push this on us was a bit aggressive.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
    owl that would not be my intention. I would be lying if I said its not my goal to change peoples minds but that is the goal of every activist and cause. I try not to judge the actions of others, people are people.

    You can be a meat-eater and be a wonderful human being.
    You can be a vegetarian and be a horrible human being.

    Diet does not define who you are, it is the general picture.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:07 PM GMT
    This is all great in theory, but I know as a veg I'll be hungry too often. When I am hungry I am at the same time needy, dim-witted, bitchy, scatter-brained, and unmotivated.

    Margaret Cho said it best: “And especially, especially, don't f*ck with vegans. Do not look vegans in the eye. If you get into an argument with a vegan, say "I'm wrong", and run away as fast as you can. Do not f*ck with vegans because they will f*ck you up... BECAUSE THEY'RE HUNGRY.”
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:10 PM GMT
    Rugger it is true that when first adapting to a vegetarian diet people are "hungry" and have cravings. Honestly, your body adjusts and once you find the plethora of options on a veg diet your body appreciates all the nutrients you are getting and you can be more satisfied without feeling hungry. When I am hungry I can eat tons of stuff and sometimes I can go most of the day eating nothing.

    http://www.goveg.com/order.asp
    I'd recommend ordering that free veg starter kit for tips if you are interesting in learning more or giving it a shot.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:17 PM GMT
    hi! i have been a vegeterian for more than two years, im a lacto ovo vegeterian wich means that i eat eggs and drink milk, i think that being a vegeterian has been one of the best choices i made in my life, my body has changed, i feel and look better.

    for all those people that say that we are omnivorous and we should not stop eating meet. should do more reaserch about it, im not trying to convince everybody but if you have more information about vegeterianism then you can make a better choice.

    there are a lot of health problems related to meet and also lets not forget the treatment of animals, and again we are not tigers or lions, we have choices and the ability to make conscious desicions.

    people in general are not very good at giving its all about takig, taking from nature, animals and people, we need to stop thinking about us for bit and think about other in this case animals.

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    Nov 01, 2007 8:19 PM GMT
    We don't have to cook meat to eat it. People have been reating raw meat for much of history. Unfortunatly due to modern science and pollution we have problems with disease in meat. No reasons why we should still stop eating meat.

    Glad your not being aggresive on this. But I still question how eating meat is less ethical than choosing to abstain from meat.

    Livestock does need both plants and water, yet both have the same water abuse issues. Both still use massive amounts of water, switching to grains only would still consume and pollute.

    Its like a single person considering a hummer vs a turbo station wagon. The wagon might pollute less but its still causing its share of pollution while consuming gas. Yet we can't live our modern suburban lives without one or the other.

    As for other subjects grains are still subject to genetic modification, harmful pestisides, and poor labor conditions in many of the worlds fields. Not a big improvment over livestock.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:20 PM GMT
    Thanks Owl....there was no pushing, the aggression came when you swooped down to be insulting...but that is done and over with.

    trance...if we were meant to eat meet we wouldn't need to tenderize or cook most of it. We do not have the muscle ability to chase an animal down nor the human capability to rip into the side of an animal and eat. Those are true meat eaters. Just because our bodies are capable of digesting (Slowly and not without consequences) does not mean it is needed for survival or full potential. There are down falls to both Vegetarian and Eating meat...however, the down falls lie greater with Meat eaters because of the above mentioned diseases.

    Also, for most Vegetarians here I think it's a case against factory farming and massive impacts on the environment. Even Hilary Clinton is making an effort towards that. There is nothing WRONG with eating meat...I think the author of this post was attempting to let you guys know the health benefits of opting for non meat diets. Yet I see debate has sparked.....yet again. Notice though, it hasn't come from the vegetarians.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:21 PM GMT
    We have the abilty to evolve and use tools to kill and cut up meat.

    And we still have the teeth. we CAN eat raw meat.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:23 PM GMT
    Oh and Trance it takes 46 gallons of fresh water to make a pound of meat.

    It takes 15 gallons to make 10 pounds of Grains.

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    Nov 01, 2007 8:24 PM GMT
    Is that an average? and where did that come from?

    If it state "Hillary Clinton is on a chinese payroll" does that mean its a fact?
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:25 PM GMT
    Using tools does not mean genetic evolving. It just makes things easier.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:27 PM GMT
    Becoming Vegitarian

    by Vesanto Melina and Brenda Davis

    May 2003

    They have the sources from which the facts stated in the book (one of which is the gallons of water used) in the bibliography towards the back.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:27 PM GMT
    The ability to use a tool is evolution of how we can manipulate the world around us and process.

    I'm getting a little to into this, I'm sorry for coming off as rude, but I'm just trying to defend agaisnt this viewpoint that eating meat is less ethical than being a vegen.

    As for to book I'm sure its well documented, but there will always be books that will say meat is better for the enviroment than grains.

    All in how you look at it. There are to many considerations to be able to say Veggies > meat
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:31 PM GMT
    Ok...

    I would be happy to discuss actual scientific articles.

    But that site... is garbage. Utter garbage.

    Half the "reasons" aren't reasons at all.

    Many of them are flat wrong. For example, meat does not make you fat. End of discussion. You can get just as fat off veggies as you can off meat.

    Also, lowering your cholesterol will NOT guarantee you don't have a heart attack, that is not only wrong it's a *dangerous* assumption.

    Give me something worth debating and I'll happily discuss it. Give me a propaganda site without good references and a bunch of crap... well not so much.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:33 PM GMT
    well, as I stated, I think the ethics he refers come from Factory Farming.

    Naturally raised animals products would be much better suited than factory farming.

    "Slaughter House" Gail A. Eisnitz can put that into perspective for you.

    A Pig as a mental competency greater than a dog and 3 year old child. They recognize and feel abuse. Those are where the ethics come in...would you shove an electric rod up a child's ass to stun then before boiling them alive? no. (least I'd hope not).

    So eating meat isn't at question with some ethics (more extreme people it would) but how the animal is treated alive and the means in which they are killed.
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:35 PM GMT
    DiverScience-

    I have a very large list of literature on the subject if you so feel inclined I can give you the list and allow you to take the measures into doing research for yourself.

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    Nov 01, 2007 8:38 PM GMT
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    oh also...meat is higher in saturated fat and veggies are all cholesterol free. yes, there are veggies that can make you fat, but because of most of the fiber content (which meat has none) lowers your appetite thus can lower your need to consume more.

    Yes, there is no way to avoid all diseases but there are ways in REDUCING the risk in which you put yourself. Like, a smoker and a non smoker...both can get lung cancer but the smoker has an increased risk.