Animal Rights & Spirituality?

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    Nov 01, 2007 8:03 PM GMT




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    This is an undercover video of several slaughterhouses. Please do not respond to this thread in order to create division. I simply want to hear from people who have opinions on the video or who express animal rights passions as part of their broader spirituality?

    I personally find being vegan to be very spiritually cleansing and awakening. I feel it helps me be more compassionate and in turn I am a happier person.

    How does animal rights fit in your spiritual self?
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    Nov 01, 2007 8:34 PM GMT
    A pack of wolves stalk and kill a sick moose.

    A human chain leads a healthy chicken into a burger somewhere.

    No difference to me. We live. We eat. Often we kill too eat. Thats life.
  • fryblock

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    Nov 01, 2007 9:11 PM GMT
    im vegan.

    however, im also an animal science major in a farming area, so our curriculums and learning strategies/examples are based on livestock. just so you know, im pre-vet.

    with that said, this semester i am working with swine, and know about other livestock as well, but only know about big factories on the swine side. because of that, i skipped straight to the pig part of the video so i could possibly shed some light on that subject.

    i do not agree with most practices of any part of these industries, but i do understand the reasoning behind what is done. also, the smithfield farms and packing plant is not like what is in the video.

    we have university farms which we raise, sell, and teach with. we have about 70 sows/gilts and maybe less than 10 boars(we do artificial insemination). where to begin...the crates you see the pigs in are for the protection of the litter. pig will fight and could injure others and cause abortions. the next crates you see them in are also protection for the newly born pigs. they are designed so that the sow cannot lay down quickly. a mother laying on her litter is the number one cause of death. ear notches are for identification. tail docking is so pigs wont bite other tails, causing injury or infection. teeth clipping if also to prevent injuries. castration is because intact boar meat smells foul when being cooked. after weaning, the sows are moved into pens, 4 or less per pen and they have enough room. this is the end of the small farm.

    ive been to smithfield farms. this is where i get into large, industrial factory farms. this was for a field trip in our swine class. pig health is the number one responsibility. they do not mistreat or beat them. they do kill pigs if they will not be suitable for market, but they do not keep them in pain or in a bad condition in hopes it will be able to produce something.

    i didnt watch the slaughter part because i honestly never want to relive that experience. if you give me a few points that they said, i can give you what i saw.



    again, i completely do not agree with the industry or most of what they do, but i have to suck it up until i get into graduate vet school, so i learn and understand what goes on.
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    Nov 01, 2007 9:13 PM GMT
    There is lots of flaw in your philosophy.

    First off when animals hunt for food they immediately eat their prey and only take what they need.

    We use animals for food (more than we need), fashion, animal testing, and entertainment.

    Second, we raise animals in factory farms for months at a time in horrendous conditions, where they cannot move, are burned, skinned alive, beaten, and force fed, obviously different techniques for different animals.

    So while a pack of wolves do indeed hunt down an animal in a vicscious manner, it cannot be compared with the prolonged horrors that we engage in towards animals.

    In addition we are more evolved and smarter than other animals which should lead us to being more compassionate to others, including lower species.
  • DiverScience

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    Nov 01, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    I grew up on a small farm.

    Killing animals that I had raised and cared for by hand was part of the circle of life. It was my responsibility to ensure that their time here was as comfortable and enjoyable as possible. And when it was time for them to be eaten, I was there to watch, and later I did the deed myself with as much compassion and care for pain as possible.

    I try to do the same for the plants I grow.

    Yes, it's part of my spirituality. I believe that I am part of the circle of life and that eating meat is fine as part of my role in the world. I also believe that as much as I can I need to attempt to ensure the quality of life of those animals which give their lives for me.
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    Nov 01, 2007 11:59 PM GMT
    "First off when animals hunt for food they immediately eat their prey and only take what they need."

    Raccoons will gleefully kill all the chickens in a chicken coop just for the hell of it. Coyotes will take down a small calf and eat very little of it before moving on.
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    Nov 02, 2007 12:26 AM GMT
    Why does our intelligence mean we should show compassion.

    I show compassion to those I care about. The reality is emotion is nothing more than a chemical process undertaken with the goal of getting something in return. There is no true compassion.

    A debate built on emotion isn't very good. Emotion is more the tool of the catholic church.
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    Nov 02, 2007 12:37 AM GMT
    But isn't it a double standard to point to animals who eat animals as a justification for humans eating animals. While then disapproving of things like rape, eating of young, abandoning offspring. These are things animals will do yet we as humans say this is immoral.

    We use our judgement and realize rape, eating of young, abandoning offspring are horrible things that have terrible consequences.

    Why can we not use the same logic and apply that to eating meat, horrible for the animals and our health.
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    Nov 02, 2007 12:42 AM GMT
    Even though you supposedly brought this up again not to create division or some other hogwash, but what does not eating meat have to do with spirituality?

    I can barely understand why vegans are vegans so before I criticize, what is so wrong with meat it is taboo?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:23 AM GMT
    Ryan I guess saving a poor lamb from my table makes some people feel good inside.

    I'd rather feel good after eating some chops.

    Everything is going to die at some point. What is so hard about just doing the work of nature on mass scale.
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:14 PM GMT
    Sadly, for the animals, humans are my priority. I can't think about animal rights with all the human abuses going on. Babies are cuter than puppies. It's a sad reality.
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:20 PM GMT
    You can be both concerned with human rights and animal rights at the same time, one does not negate the other.
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:23 PM GMT
    Where's my leather pants and my chinchila coat?

    Personally there are times where i would like to slaughter both human and animal alike. However from what i understand animals taste better, and it's hard to tan and wear human skins.
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:35 PM GMT
    No, one does not negate the other, but my allotment of activist time and concern gets consumed by my own small efforts in human rights arenas. Just this past weekend, I parachuted into the home of some trailer trash in East Jesus, Kentucky where the parents were about to beat their kid again for being gay. I wallopped the sonsabitches and all is right again in East Jesus. Even the pets are happier.
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    Nov 02, 2007 1:40 PM GMT

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    Nov 02, 2007 1:54 PM GMT
    McGaySadly, for the animals, humans are my priority. I can't think about animal rights with all the human abuses going on.


    Heard that. Animal rights as a concept is only possible because the distinction between human and animal has become increasingly blurry. Which might be accurate biologically. I'm just not sold on the moral or ethical equivalence.

    Babies are cuter than puppies.

    I'm afraid an irreparable break has occured between us on this count.
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:13 PM GMT
    Aggh! Not cuter, not by a stretch. Wrong choice of words. I should have said 'more important'.
  • Warren

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    Nov 02, 2007 2:24 PM GMT
    My philosophy is that Humans are always more important than animals. Thus, whenever there is a conflict between the needs/rights of humans and the needs/rights of animals, humans win out. We need to feed a vast population, and while we might be able to do it with all plants, it ain't gonna happen, therefore, if slaughterhouses have to exist, so be it. Lab testing on animals to find cures for human diseases, bring it on. Kicking puppies because you think its fun, hell no.
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:28 PM GMT
    Babies are cuter than puppies... but then again... i hate dogs.
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:33 PM GMT
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:34 PM GMT
    Paradox: I think humans are responsible for creating a confined space in which to cram a bunch of critters and make it easy for a raccoon to feast. In the non-human wild, you'd never see a trapped bounty like that.
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:48 PM GMT
    Once again McGay makes it easier to fast through lunchtime. ;-)
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    Nov 02, 2007 2:53 PM GMT
    Another McGay Diet enthusiast?
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    Nov 02, 2007 3:18 PM GMT
    Okay McGay... i mean REAL babies not photoshopped babies with Bean's face. HA HA HA HA
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    Nov 02, 2007 3:39 PM GMT
    Photoshop baby? I'll have you know that child is my return on investment from dealing with the local sperm bank. Harumph!