Is it healthier to be vegetarian or omnivorian?

  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 20, 2009 3:46 AM GMT


    Videos like this really make me want to become vegetarian!

    And is omnivorian a word? It sounds funny.
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    Apr 20, 2009 3:52 AM GMT
    dun know.. but Bambi sure looks tasty!!!
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    Apr 20, 2009 4:07 AM GMT
    I just learned that six introduced species of deer thrive in Australia.
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    Apr 20, 2009 4:09 AM GMT
    paradox saidI just learned that six introduced species of deer thrive in Australia.
    makes tasty nosh too ;)
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    Apr 20, 2009 4:13 AM GMT
    lilTanker said
    paradox saidI just learned that six introduced species of deer thrive in Australia.
    makes tasty nosh too ;)

    Tastier than wallaby or kangaroo?
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    Apr 20, 2009 4:16 AM GMT
    paradox said
    lilTanker said
    paradox saidI just learned that six introduced species of deer thrive in Australia.
    makes tasty nosh too ;)

    Tastier than wallaby or kangaroo?
    roo is sorta tough, needs long slow cooking unless you make sausages then its quite tasty
  • Anto

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    Apr 20, 2009 5:00 AM GMT
    Videos like this really make me want to become vegetarian!

    That's the point of it. Like that 'Coming storm' vidoe by NOM. Getting people emotionally stirred up can work in the short-term but it ruins credibility imo.

    That video could also just mean that animals should be treated better, not necessarily that they shouldn't be used for food. Killing them without pain and awareness of it for example. Giving them proper living conditions.

    And what about plants? How many plants are abused and killed every year for our entertainment and food requirements? They are living creatures too that react when damaged or abused. It's ok to rip them apart? Boil and/or eat them alive? Strip their skins away? Squeeze the juices out of their tissue or cut open their veins to drink and eat the fluid inside? Mash them up? Cut them down and watch them slowly die in vases or some gift bouquet because they are beautiful to us?

    It just sucks that to live other things have to die. icon_sad.gif
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    Apr 20, 2009 6:13 AM GMT
    Hmmm... you could be a vegetarian and eat nothing but donuts and soda or omnivitarian eat lean meats, whole grains and vegetables

    So I think it's all relevant
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    Apr 20, 2009 6:16 AM GMT
    Anto saidVideos like this really make me want to become vegetarian!

    That's the point of it. Like that 'Coming storm' vidoe by NOM. Getting people emotionally stirred up can work in the short-term but it ruins credibility imo.

    That video could also just mean that animals should be treated better, not necessarily that they shouldn't be used for food. Killing them without pain and awareness of it for example. Giving them proper living conditions.

    And what about plants? How many plants are abused and killed every year for our entertainment and food requirements? They are living creatures too that react when damaged or abused. It's ok to rip them apart? Boil and/or eat them alive? Strip their skins away? Squeeze the juices out of their tissue or cut open their veins to drink and eat the fluid inside? Mash them up? Cut them down and watch them slowly die in vases or some gift bouquet because they are beautiful to us?

    It just sucks that to live other things have to die. icon_sad.gif

    but plants do go baaaaaaaaaaaah at you icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 20, 2009 6:35 AM GMT
    lilTanker saiddun know.. but Bambi sure looks tasty!!!
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    Sure that's a deer? It looks like a Grant's Gazelle. Maybe my taxonomy is slipping in my old age and senility.icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 20, 2009 6:58 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    lilTanker saiddun know.. but Bambi sure looks tasty!!!
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    Sure that's a deer? It looks like a Grant's Gazelle. Maybe my taxonomy is slipping in my old age and senility.icon_confused.gif
    What ever meat item it is.. is sure looks tasty
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    Apr 20, 2009 7:14 AM GMT
    Looks like it could be tough and gamey. It might braise up real nice though. Instead off BBQ pulled pork, BBQ pulled gazelle.
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    Apr 20, 2009 7:16 AM GMT
    Long and slow baby.. brings out the best in everything!
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    Apr 20, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidLong and slow baby.. brings out the best in everything!


    That it does.
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    Apr 20, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
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    Apr 20, 2009 1:37 PM GMT
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    this is the type of funny where you get a little chuckle at first, quickly followed by an "awww" when you realize what it means haha I still think its funny
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    Apr 20, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
    So... killing salad... er... live plant cells is not murder? >.>
  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 20, 2009 1:53 PM GMT
    Sedative saidSo... killing salad... er... live plant cells is not murder? >.>

    Yeah but plants don't have nerves endings to feel pain
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    Apr 20, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    AMT87 saidHmmm... you could be a vegetarian and eat nothing but donuts and soda or omnivitarian eat lean meats, whole grains and vegetables

    So I think it's all relevant


    Very true.

    As for the whole, "no matter what you eat you are killing something," I think that how we eat is almost as important as what we eat. If you are aware of the killing process of animals that is occurring when you eat meat, or the damage done to the earth from landscape farming, or the waste from packaging food, you are more aware of the impact of how you eat on your own personal health and the health of your environment.
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    Apr 20, 2009 1:58 PM GMT
    I don't think murder of any sort is funny. It is kind of sad that we (as a whole) have to make things funny in order for us to hide from the truth.
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    Apr 20, 2009 2:04 PM GMT
    I understand the whole killing thing but just remember we are not the only species that does it. We just don't go out, hunt, and kill for our food everyday to survive.
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    Apr 20, 2009 2:11 PM GMT


    Unlike the animal kingdom, we have the ability to consider the torment of fear and pain in our 'prey' and that's one of the things that sets us apart as human.

    It's absolutely abhorrent that in this 21st century we can't offer a painless and fear-less demise of what we eat.....

    In at least one culture we know of, the above suffering is thought to make chemical changes in the 'prey' that tenderizes the meat. OK I'm gonna hurl.....

    -Doug

    PS look up how veal is produced. Just when you thought we were a civilized society....
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    Apr 20, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom said
    Sedative saidSo... killing salad... er... live plant cells is not murder? >.>

    Yeah but plants don't have nerves endings to feel pain


    LOL, you are anthropomorphizing.

    Nerve endings aren't the only way to feel pain. It might be that plants are wired differently than animals in that every individual cell is autonomous rather than being ruled by a ganglia and having to rely on them for sensations. After all, all living things are called 'organisms' for the simple reason that they were originally just a bunch of single celled lifeforms that decided to band together and form a larger lifeform.

    The nervous system is actually simply a way to communicate how local cells are feeling to the 'governing' cells in the brain and the seat of our consciousness. If you become paralyzed, would it mean that the cells affected by the severed nerves loss sensation of pain? I think not, the only thing that would happen is that the greater consciousness ignores it. Locally, the cell still feels the agony of a pinprick.

    Being vegetarian only eases the conscience a bit. icon_razz.gif It's still murder. Even fruits are murder. It's basically the plant sacrificing a bit of itself simply because it ensures their survival chances more. Youre still eating live cells.

    Nature has no moralistic boundaries. It's a kill or get killed world and there are far worse ways to die naturally than being slaughtered for food by humans.

    I do agree that some practices of animal slaughter are barbaric. Like making fois gras, or slaughtering lambs and suckling pigs.

    Personally, I'd love it if we completely lost our dependence on living organisms for nourishment and relied on synthetic healthy food. But for now, that's still only an idealist pipedream.

    P.S. Neither Omnivarian nor Omnivitarian are real words. >.> It's latin "Omne vorare" "Eating all". You say "Omnivore" and that's it. Just because "vegetarian" (itself a made up word) ends with an -ian doesn't mean its counterpart should.

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    Apr 20, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    To fully answer the question, I would have to say it is all, in not only what you eat, but how you eat as well. There are many vegetarians just as healthy, if not healthier than our meat-eating counterparts, as well as vise-versa.
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    Apr 20, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
    You can be a vegetarian and be healthy but it is likely to be more challenging. I personally could probably do it, but I would have to get a divorce! My partner loves meat!