Finally starting to target steroids more seriously?

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    Apr 21, 2009 6:18 AM GMT
    Oklahoma law enforcement have sent a clear message that they are targeting competitive bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids by issuing 10 arrest warrant, mostly for bodybuilders. The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Tulsa Police have been investigating the anabolic steroid and competitive bodybuilding scene for about two years. The purposely targeted middle- and upper-class competitive bodybuilders who used steroids solely for personal use (”Warrants Issued In Oklahoma Steroid Bust,” April 17).


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    Apr 21, 2009 6:59 AM GMT
    Lame. Another case where the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:05 AM GMT
    Yeah the punishment doesnt fit the crime. I hope you dont get in trouble!
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:06 AM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidYeah the punishment doesnt fit the crime. I hope you dont get in trouble!



    lol um did you just say i was on roids....Thanks alot but no..
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:10 AM GMT
    I feel obliged to point out that a steroid and a narcotic are not one in the same....

    Wouldn't it be the DEA if anyone that should be doing this.... But if the police were involved I guess it was a slow month for armed robberies, rapes and murders in Oklahoma
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:14 AM GMT
    kRakaJak saidanyone know of the address to the OBN and Tulsa police dept so i can show my appreciation and donate to their cause? Colorado can learn something from this.


    OBGYN maybe, you know cause a womens clit gets to be three inches when on juice..... Aw its a little pecker


    you dork....
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    Don't they have better things to do like raid red neck trailer park meth labs? Or maybe the should focus on fortifying the border for when Texas secedes and then tries to annex Oklahoma because Texas doesn't have enough bathtubs in trailer parks to provide for the ungodly outrageous meth consumption of their own hillbilly and red neck polulation?

    Oh and I don't mean the entire population of Texas is a bunch of hillbilly red necks, just most of the ones running it. And well, all of the ones that voted for those ones. This last part was just for the two or three Texans on here I would save from nuclear annihilation if given the chance.

    Q: What's 500 miles long and has 3 teeth?

    A: A red neck border blockade.
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:30 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidDon't they have better things to do like raid red neck trailer park meth labs? Or maybe the should focus on fortifying the border for when Texas secedes and then tries to annex Oklahoma because Texas doesn't have enough bathtubs in trailer parks to provide for the ungodly outrageous meth consumption of their own hillbilly and red neck polulation?



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    Apr 21, 2009 9:53 AM GMT
    Anabolic steroids ARE illegal if not prescribed by a physician. I think it's about time law enforcement target the largest group of known users and dealers.

    AMT87, this is well within DEA's regulatory authority. Do you expect the DEA and only the DEA to enforce these laws?

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/steroids.html

    "Federal law placed anabolic steroids in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) as of February 27, 1991."
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    Apr 21, 2009 10:26 AM GMT
    Tapper saidAnabolic steroids ARE illegal if not prescribed by a physician. I think it's about time law enforcement target the largest group of known users and dealers.

    AMT87, this is well within DEA's regulatory authority. Do you expect the DEA and only the DEA to enforce these laws?

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/steroids.html

    "Federal law placed anabolic steroids in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) as of February 27, 1991."



    Here's where I disagree with you, Tapper. Not that I condone the use of steroids, but aren't there other more pressing issues that are out of hand for the police to worry about? I mean, it seems that they're going after the bodybuilders because it's practically in your face that they are doing steroids, but my fear is that if this starts happening, who's to say they're not going to start going after other people because they "think" they've broken a law. I'm sure Oklahoma has issues, just like any other State, with bigger issues other than a handful of men getting smaller balls. Like, I don't know..... lets start with illegal immigrants, domestic violence, cocaine/meth/heroin use.
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    Apr 21, 2009 10:51 AM GMT
    Michael_Mccarry said
    Tapper saidAnabolic steroids ARE illegal if not prescribed by a physician. I think it's about time law enforcement target the largest group of known users and dealers.

    AMT87, this is well within DEA's regulatory authority. Do you expect the DEA and only the DEA to enforce these laws?

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/steroids.html

    "Federal law placed anabolic steroids in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) as of February 27, 1991."



    Here's where I disagree with you, Tapper. Not that I condone the use of steroids, but aren't there other more pressing issues that are out of hand for the police to worry about? I mean, it seems that they're going after the bodybuilders because it's practically in your face that they are doing steroids, but my fear is that if this starts happening, who's to say they're not going to start going after other people because they "think" they've broken a law. I'm sure Oklahoma has issues, just like any other State, with bigger issues other than a handful of men getting smaller balls. Like, I don't know..... lets start with illegal immigrants, domestic violence, cocaine/meth/heroin use.


    Back in my college days, a good friend was injecting anabolic steroids. I knew nothing about them at the time, so I didn't speak up. He became unapproachable, downright nasty, and his grades started dropping. Several month's later, we received a call; he was in the slammer for beating his girlfriend within inches of her life. Roid rage? After getting out, he stopped using and quickly became the old, reliable friend we all knew and loved.

    My brother was the starting center for his college football team. He had been a user since his senior year in high school. After college, he started experiencing all types of medical issues, including joint degeneration in his shoulders (the medical term escapes me right now), extremely high cholesterol levels, constant heart palpitations that led to his coronary heart disease diagnosis; and here's the deal sealer: last month, I received a call from my bro. He's been diagnosed with terminal renal cell carcinoma. If he's lucky, he'll live to see his oldest son become a freshman in high school.

    The oncologists aren't tying his long-term steroid use to the cancer, but they're not denying it, either. Regardless, there's no doubt that it played a role, just as it did with his heart disease and joint degeneration.

    So, yeah, I do think there's a real reason to stop the illegal use and distribution of a series of drugs that we know very little about, but have been tied to a myriad physical and emotional maladies - some with deadly consequences.

    I can assure you that Oklahoma law enforcement isn't targeting random bodybuilders. This is likely a sting. I'm sure they've been following these guys/gals for a very long time. Chances are, they're not only users, but dealers as well. I'd bet a month's salary on it.
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    Apr 21, 2009 12:18 PM GMT
    This is kind of a hot topic for me. I have always been extremely annoyed at the fact that steroids are illegal. You can buy cigarettes and alcohol and kill yourself with them legally if you want.....a woman can go into a clinic and have her unborn baby sucked out into little pieces.....you can buy a gun that can blow someone elses head off but God forbid steroids be legal to help improve someones physique or to fight the aging process.

    You can abuse anything. Taking to much vitamin C can cause you to have seizures and etc. so come on.

    Anyway.....why dont they go down and help out this fighting in mexico over the drug trade and etc? You have people down there dying!!!! Being shot and murdered but hey, lets worry about some frikin juice heads in Oklahoma instead? I just dont get it.

    I think there are WAY better issues to worry about and spend our tax dollars on....if someone wants to improve his physique by taking steroids than so be it, anything in moderation can be handled with benefits as well as side affects.

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    Apr 21, 2009 12:21 PM GMT
    it's SO good when someone has their priorities in line... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 21, 2009 2:41 PM GMT
    theonslaught saidOklahoma law enforcement have sent a clear message that they are targeting competitive bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids by issuing 10 arrest warrant, mostly for bodybuilders. The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Tulsa Police have been investigating the anabolic steroid and competitive bodybuilding scene for about two years. The purposely targeted middle- and upper-class competitive bodybuilders who used steroids solely for personal use (”Warrants Issued In Oklahoma Steroid Bust,” April 17).


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    Don't worry , you can just order yours from over the internet from Canada or Mexico.

    But I do wish we would find better uses for our law enforcement officials
  • Delivis

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    Apr 21, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    Like the rest of the war on drugs, i think it is mostly a waste of money.
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    Apr 21, 2009 2:52 PM GMT
    Cops are doing there job, what's there to complain about?

    Sure it's not a violent crime but it's still unlawful. I'm assuming steroids were banned for a reason, right? Right. Don't break the law and you won't have anything to bitch and moan about.

    I want a mustache ride from a Texas Highway Patrolman in his smokey hat.
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    Apr 21, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
    I for one can say I am glad. steroid do awful things to the human body and just like pictures of super skinny women do things to fuck up regular women all these pro body builders do things that fuck up men psychologically. I dont know about you but I personally feel like shit everytime I am in the gym and this huge guy comes in and start lifting these dinky little weights but somehow is huge.
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    Apr 21, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    You know, if "they" were smart, they'd treat steroids like Botox. Let some fancy schmancy boutiques administer the treatments in a controlled and regulated setting. Treatments would be taxed, legitimate businesses would emerge that employ people, and body builders would get to juice without the stigma of using banned substances.
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    Apr 21, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    Well in the back-ass of europe (Ireland) these are illegal. I lost all faith in the government the day they pulled some idiotic expert to compile a report recommending it be reclassified as a drug and so technically I import illegal controlled substances whenever I'm at home.



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    Apr 21, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
    ruck_us saidYou know, if "they" were smart, they'd treat steroids like Botox. Let some fancy schmancy boutiques administer the treatments in a controlled and regulated setting. Treatments would be taxed, legitimate businesses would emerge that employ people, and body builders would get to juice without the stigma of using banned substances.

    Actually this would not work, pro bodybuilders take upwards of 2000 mg's per week. This is unethical in any practice since normal male testosterone levels range from 300 nanograms per dl to 800 nanograms per dl. Normal prescription hormone therapy usually consist of 200 mg's every 14 days which is the half life of most synthetic testosterone.
    Now for the average man that is deficient he could for sure be assisted in this way and it is currently available through most doctors.
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    Apr 21, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    Aww I heart Chizzad!!!!
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    ruck_us saidYou know, if "they" were smart, they'd treat steroids like Botox. Let some fancy schmancy boutiques administer the treatments in a controlled and regulated setting. Treatments would be taxed, legitimate businesses would emerge that employ people, and body builders would get to juice without the stigma of using banned substances.

    Actually this would not work, pro bodybuilders take upwards of 2000 mg's per week. This is unethical in any practice since normal male testosterone levels range from 300 nanograms per dl to 800 nanograms per dl. Normal prescription hormone therapy usually consist of 200 mg's every 14 days which is the half life of most synthetic testosterone.
    Now for the average man that is deficient he could for sure be assisted in this way and it is currently available through most doctors.


    Perhaps, but guys like me who are approaching 'andropause', with T levels of <= 450, have a hard time convincing our docs that hormone therapy is warranted. I'd be happy just to reach the 600-800 ng level.
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidI dont know about you but I personally feel like shit everytime I am in the gym and this huge guy comes in and start lifting these dinky little weights but somehow is huge.


    It's totally off-topic, but I just couldn't resist... That's not due to steroids, or even good genes: that's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

    I could've kicked myself in the teeth for not knowing about it, but if you pick up that 15 lb weight and do bicep curls with it, you'll get a shit-pile bigger than you would with the 45 lb weight. This works because it forces a large amount of blood and sarcoplasmic fluid into the muscle, stretching the muscle casing (fascia), which it turn allows the muscle to grow much larger than it would normally. Some guys even go to the extreme and inject large amounts of sterilized, sometimes even silicon-based, "site enhancement oils" into the muscle to stretch the fascia as far as is humanly possible (check out this picture of Greg Valentino for the most extreme example), and, if I'm not mistaken, I'm sure theonslaught can fill you in on using synthol as well.

    Basically, if you wanna stop feeling like shit, go pick up those 15 lb weights, and curl for 20+ reps or until you can't curl anymore, then take 45 seconds, and repeat another five times for a total of six sets. If you use this technique on all your exercises and couple with a high-calorie diet, you'll be blowing past all your peers in size within six months.

    If you eat about 100g of carbs with a little creatine and 40-50g of protein post-workout the carbs will replenish your glycogen stores, and with the creatine, your muscles will remain "pumped" for much longer, allowing for a better stretch and more time to grow and more calories to grow with.

    That's the foundation of bodybuilding: food, high reps, and light weights.
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
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    ruck_us saidYou know, if "they" were smart, they'd treat steroids like Botox. Let some fancy schmancy boutiques administer the treatments in a controlled and regulated setting. Treatments would be taxed, legitimate businesses would emerge that employ people, and body builders would get to juice without the stigma of using banned substances.

    Actually this would not work, pro bodybuilders take upwards of 2000 mg's per week. This is unethical in any practice since normal male testosterone levels range from 300 nanograms per dl to 800 nanograms per dl. Normal prescription hormone therapy usually consist of 200 mg's every 14 days which is the half life of most synthetic testosterone.
    Now for the average man that is deficient he could for sure be assisted in this way and it is currently available through most doctors.


    Perhaps, but guys like me who are approaching 'andropause', with T levels of <= 450, have a hard time convincing our docs that hormone therapy is warranted. I'd be happy just to reach the 600-800 ng level.


    Most doctors don't wanna have to put up with the paperwork because they can have their license pulled if anyone in law enforcement thinks they're giving out too much. Really bites for people who actually need to be on testosterone therapy, but more and more medical professionals are pushing for testosterone and related chemicals to be deregulated so they may be prescribed more freely.

    The normal range for testosterone varies depending on who you talk to (doctors don't study it enough because they legally can't) and I've heard a couple different ranges, like 250-800 ng/dL from one of my former endocrinologists up to 300-1200 ng/dL from my current doctor. There is some research indicating that your cholesterol and chances for heart disease and prostate cancer skyrocket when your testosterone goes below 450 ng/dL, but we've all managed to convince ourselves that high testosterone is like unleashing a PCP-laced schizophrenic into a room full of toddlers, so I can't imagine our methods of treatment are gonna change anytime soon.
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    Apr 21, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
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    chungo44 saidI dont know about you but I personally feel like shit everytime I am in the gym and this huge guy comes in and start lifting these dinky little weights but somehow is huge.


    It's totally off-topic, but I just couldn't resist... That's not due to steroids, or even good genes: that's called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.

    I could've kicked myself in the teeth for not knowing about it, but if you pick up that 15 lb weight and do bicep curls with it, you'll get a shit-pile bigger than you would with the 45 lb weight. This works because it forces a large amount of blood and sarcoplasmic fluid into the muscle, stretching the muscle casing (fascia), which it turn allows the muscle to grow much larger than it would normally. Some guys even go to the extreme and inject large amounts of sterilized, sometimes even silicon-based, "site enhancement oils" into the muscle to stretch the fascia as far as is humanly possible (check out this picture of Greg Valentino for the most extreme example), and, if I'm not mistaken, I'm sure theonslaught can fill you in on using synthol as well.

    Basically, if you wanna stop feeling like shit, go pick up those 15 lb weights, and curl for 20+ reps or until you can't curl anymore, then take 45 seconds, and repeat another five times for a total of six sets. If you use this technique on all your exercises and couple with a high-calorie diet, you'll be blowing past all your peers in size within six months.

    If you eat about 100g of carbs with a little creatine and 40-50g of protein post-workout the carbs will replenish your glycogen stores, and with the creatine, your muscles will remain "pumped" for much longer, allowing for a better stretch and more time to grow and more calories to grow with.

    That's the foundation of bodybuilding: food, high reps, and light weights.


    Dude I am talking about huge guys doing tricep curls with 20 pounds and haveing a hard time doing ten, when I with 13 inch arms can do 12 with 25's with good form. they are roided out, and that isnt the only evidence. but just these easiest to explain without pictures