I think veal should be made illegal.

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    Nov 02, 2007 5:56 PM GMT
    who could seriously go to the petting zoo see an adorable calf and then later for dinner eat possibly that same baby cow. I do eat meat and enjoy it but i can never eat veal or any animal that i know was hardly even ready to stop suckling.
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:21 PM GMT
    ::raises hand:: I could.
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:27 PM GMT
    It becomes so much easier when you've actually raised cattle. After about 12 years of it those calves just aren't all that cute anymore. But they are mighty tasty.
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:32 PM GMT
    You don't eat veal because it's young. Do you eat eggs?
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:36 PM GMT
    I love to eat meat, but could never bring myself to eat veal. The process kind of sickens me.

    Once I worked in a very small office with tiny cubicles. We called it "The Veal Pen".

    I'm beginning to feel the same way about chickens, and try to find free-range chicken and eggs more often now.

    That being said, I'm not one of those PETA dudes.
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:41 PM GMT
    I grew up eating veal, and I'm certainly capable of eating it now. However, it's one of those foods that for no particular reason, I just never buy.
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    Nov 02, 2007 6:47 PM GMT
    Veal and other young animals are indeed very cute. In fact, I would say the only quality they posess better than their cuteness is their taste when cooked!
  • DiverScience

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    Nov 02, 2007 6:57 PM GMT
    I would never buy veal because the way most veal is raised is ridiculous and horrid.

    The "babyness," however, doesn't bother me, as lambs and young goats are both eaten when young and I grew up raising those (by hand, bottle fed) and eating them.
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    Nov 02, 2007 7:00 PM GMT
    I don't eat veal. I think it's kind of inhumane, but they're lower on the food chain. AND.. as somelse pointed out.. what about eggs? they're fetuses.
  • fryblock

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    Nov 02, 2007 7:02 PM GMT
    good point mcgay icon_smile.gif

    i personally think adult cows are cute as well. just the other day i had a bull make out with my hand.
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    Nov 02, 2007 7:08 PM GMT
    Since the European Union allowed the export of British meat back into Europe, it has been a massive boost to UK farmers, but it has also meant that not only do the do we still raise veal here in the UK, but we now pack the poor buggers into trucks and send them into mainland Europe alive, just to be slaughtered when they get there.

    Has distant echoes of a policy of a Mr A Hitler.

    As if living your life in a tiny cage so small that you can't sit down, (because it means moving and therefore the muscle will be tough), being fed a strange diet of a white milky substance, (to give the meat that interesting colour) isn't enough, you then get put in a truck and driven a few hundred miles so you can be fresh for somebodies dinner plate.

  • Squarejaw

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    Nov 02, 2007 7:11 PM GMT
    I don't know why so many people make an automatic link between "I disapprove of this" and "This should be illegal."
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    Nov 02, 2007 7:50 PM GMT
    Fact of life for you non-farm boys that think milk comes from a plastic jug.

    NO VEAL NO MILK....no cheese, no butter , no yougurt etc.

    Cows have to be pregnant to give milk and you can't double the size of you herd every year so new born calves ( veal) are used for food and leather.
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    Nov 02, 2007 7:57 PM GMT
    Is there some reason why dairy calves become veal instead of beef? Are dairy cattle genetics such that it is not economical to grow them out to adult slaughter weight?
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    Nov 02, 2007 10:44 PM GMT
    I personally dont eat veal. it was originally that I thought they were cute and I wouldnt eat cute little babies. I outgrew that, and found it to be a stupid argument. I then learnt more about veal farming, which i attrcious. the calfs life could be made immensly better just by adding a nipple to the bottles that feed them but that requires sterilizing so they dont do that. None of this stops me from eating veal these days. I dont eat veal for two reasons. 1) its not healthy meat. Good veal is very light in color which means the animal is sick and anemic. 2) I don't like the taste of veal.

    Not liking the taste of lamb is why I don't eat that either. I don't feel bad about eatting lamb which was my original argument about that, I just cant stomach the taste and I have tried it numerous times. I still wear lamb leather though, and would wear calf leather. I prefer lamb leather though because it is so much more supple.
  • Alan95823

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    Nov 02, 2007 11:38 PM GMT
    I don't eat veal or lamb primarily because they upset my stomach so badly that it's not worth 2 days of cramps. Beef doesn't affect me that way at all, so I'm not sure why veal does.

    The cuteness of a calf doesn't bug me as much as the horrible conditions they're living in. Like RuggerATX, I try to go for free-range or cage-free sources for my meat and eggs. I wish I made enough money to go for organically raised meat sources, but it's harder to find and definitely harder to pay for.

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    Nov 03, 2007 12:20 AM GMT
    So, I asked a friend of mine online about dairy calves and veal vs. beef:

    Me: Question: why are dairy calves turned into veal instead of beef? Are dairy cattle genetics such that it's not economical to grow them out to adult slaughter weight?

    Friend: not all dairy calves are slaughtered as veal, we're feeding out 50 head that will be for beef. you'd have to ask [hubby's name] about the economics, tho

    Friend: the holsteins are a pain in the ass

    Me: even as steers?

    Friend: hell yeah, they're bottle fed cattle. not afraid of humans

    Friend: they want to play with you.

    Friend: I won't go in the lot.

    Friend: they're also destructive critters

    Me: so, why'd ya get dairy calves? better price than a beef breed?

    Friend: [hubby's name] contracted to fatten them and sell in December to some buyer

    Friend: I don't think he'll be doing it again

    Friend: they're a pain in the ass.
  • fryblock

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    Nov 03, 2007 1:09 AM GMT
    just to clarify, holsteins are dairy cows. and yes, their genetics arent as good as other beef cattle, they are bred for maternal traits. paternal are the carcass qualities and size.
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:26 AM GMT
    I would never ever, eat veal nasty. They are taken away from their mothers, and chained by the neck in a tiny crate for their entire miserable lives with barely any food, fed an anemia producing diet. It should be illegal.





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    Nov 03, 2007 3:20 AM GMT
    "What about eggs?" Well, eggs are not a fetus; they are unfertilized . . . A chicken will lay eggs whether they are fertilized or not. I have 2, and they're pets - not food.

    Maybe torturing and slaughtering a calf is more humane than letting it grow up in a feedlot just to be pumped full of hormones and antibiotics so it can be slaughtered as a teenager. Either way it has a horrendous life . . . and death. (as does any other commercially produced animal)


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    Nov 03, 2007 3:26 AM GMT
    about the egg thing... I'm pro choice
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:26 AM GMT
    I think we should all follow the constitution and not let the government try and regulate the rights of citizens or the food industry.
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    Nov 03, 2007 5:27 AM GMT
    why not? they regulate everything else.icon_evil.gif
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    Nov 03, 2007 7:09 PM GMT
    I agree, government regulates many things. I think the government should protect its citizens. While animals are not a voting bloc or constituency I support politicians who support fair animal rights legislation.
  • hotelbistud

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    Nov 03, 2007 8:48 PM GMT
    i just wish i had the time to ponder such things as "farm animal rights" don't we have abused people, neglected people, sick people, elderly people, uneducated people, people at war, people with disablities, people with mental illness, people that are lonely? If you didn't get the recurrent word; it's PEOPLE. I mean if other humans would spend half of their time, energy and money on things that truly mattered to their fellow humans than worry about animals, and fungus, and caribu and fish and the such -how better off we all would be. Let's take care of our own human kingdom or phlum or whatever we are first ..and then worry about the eggs and the veal... and people who protest, if they took the time to visit a sick person or a shut-in or read to a child rather than 'save the sloth' it could really make a change in this world. oh well.its just an opinion..icon_biggrin.gif