Shocking video expose... dose of reality!

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    Nov 03, 2007 1:09 AM GMT
    I posted on another forum about the health benefits of a vegan diet, it simply became a holy war between pro-veg and meat-eating advocates. It got really boring and I wasn't looking to engage in debate, but more so intelligent discourse.

    Anyways, I present this undercover video of several investigations done at slaughterhouses showing standard procedure on factory farms. I would like to start a discussion about animal ethics, cruelty, and rights. Please keep it intelligent, all viewpoints welcome, but again please be respectful. Thanks!





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  • Raymond1973

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    Nov 03, 2007 1:45 AM GMT
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    I just watched this video you put on and I couldn't live with myself if I ate meat again! Thank you! Raymond
  • Raymond1973

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    Nov 03, 2007 1:46 AM GMT
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    I just watched this video you put on and I couldn't live with myself if I ate meat again! Thank you! Raymond
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    Nov 03, 2007 1:51 AM GMT
    It is a very difficult video to watch, thank you for your openness. Please goto the following site for a FREE vegetarian starter kit...

    http://www.goveg.com/order.asp
  • rusty_dk

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    Nov 03, 2007 2:35 AM GMT
    I enjoy the fact that we can live in a society where we can choose what we can do with ourselves...

    And if there is one thing I can not stand it is when people push their beliefs, lifestyle choices...whatever you wanna call it, onto others...
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    Nov 03, 2007 2:37 AM GMT
    I am glad we live in a society that entitles people to their different beliefs and first amendment rights to express those diversity of opinions. I don't feel I am pushing anything on you. If you don't feel affected by the video, that is your choice and you are entitled to your beliefs.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:20 AM GMT
    The first amendment protects you from the government. If a moderator on this site kicked you out for talking about being vegan its not violating your rights because this isn't a state run website.

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    Nov 03, 2007 3:22 AM GMT
    That is not what we were discussing, again you are off topic trance.

    I was explaining to this guy that I can express myself and seek others opinions, it doesn't necessarily mean I am pushing my views down his throat. I didnt ask him to reply or read or watch that was his choice.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:27 AM GMT
    I'm a pretty compassionate guy, but how many more meat-is-murder posts are we going to see on the home page? This is what turns people off from PETA. Way overzealous.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:28 AM GMT
    Are organically raise animals as badly treated?

    (I didnt watch the video. I am afraid it would upset me too much. I can't bear to see defenseless animals suffer.)
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:32 AM GMT
    Caslon if it bothers you, you should question why it does, because ultimately it is wrong the horrors in factory farms.

    Organically raised animals are usually not treated better, there are some small conditions for free range that are better but the procedures are just still the same.

    Organic just means there were no growth hormones, antibiotics, and the animal was fed a vegetarian diet.

    I would suggest you see the video to understand what I am talking about, and of course limiting meat intake after that will make you feel less guilty for animal suffering, since you won't be contributing to it.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:34 AM GMT
    Go break into a chicken coop and release the poor bastards will ya? Go rescue some of those fois gras ducks. Go open up the veal pen. Bust out some pet store windows. Ya know...all the stuff they used to do. This all day RealJock crusade of yours is getting old. I'm starting to wonder why you really joined this site.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:35 AM GMT
    hippie4lyfeand of course limiting meat intake after that will make you feel less guilty for animal suffering, since you won't be contributing to it


    So that's just offering opinions?
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:38 AM GMT
    You have offered your suggestion that vegetarianism is stupid, why can't I offer mine? Yes my opinion and suggestion is for people to go veg.

    Rugger those are violent things, I believe in non-violence and education.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:41 AM GMT
    "Are organically raise animals as badly treated?"

    Not necessarily. Organic is big business, and often organic animal foods are raised in conditions that aren't much better than their non-organic counterparts. E.g., most organic eggs come from caged hens, with the only difference being that they're fed organic grain.

    I buy local eggs and lamb that are not organic because the grain they get is not organic, but they're raised on a small farm in excellent conditions. When it comes to eggs, there's a huge difference between a factory egg from the store and farm fresh egg from a hen that was out all day, scratching in the dirt, eating bugs, weeds, worms, mice, kitchen scraps, etc. Pastured eggs have deep orange yolks and much more flavor.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:42 AM GMT
    Not violence, liberation! Come on man you're letting us down...you PETA guys know how to spin as well as Karl Rove.

    Shut down the laptop and get to work under the cover of darkness. I'm sure Long Island [edited from 'upstate NY'] has plenty of targets for ya.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:45 AM GMT
    hes actually on long island
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:51 AM GMT
    I vote for Hippie4lyfe expressing his views.

    In this mode of communication, one doesnt have to participate in a discussion that one doesnt want to.

    His postings don't interfer with anyone's ability to enjoy the rest of the site.

    Now if he or others started posting nasty vids in every thread, that would be different.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:54 AM GMT
    Thank you caslon, that is the difference between expressing viewpoints and spam. Yes if someone posted a hundreds of these in one topic they would clearly just be clogging the site in order to promote their agenda. If anyone doesn't want to respond to this thread they are welcome to goto the next or another one.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:55 AM GMT
    Yeah I think it's the vids that got me. Like when the pro-lifers put fetuses on billboards.
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    Nov 03, 2007 3:57 AM GMT
    While I am pro-choice I think the pro-life campaigns are effective. If I were pro-life I would go that route as well. I am adamantly pro-choice and as a person who believes in civil liberties and discourse I fully support their right to express themselves.
  • Thriller83

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    Nov 03, 2007 6:11 AM GMT
    Speaking of veal, did anyone see that episode of South Park where they steal all those calves and hide them in Stan’s room? LOL. They also did an episode where they ripped on PETA and ported them as bestiality fools.

    I respect vegetarianism and find merit in its purposes. I'm not fully vegetarian myself though. I'm rather turned off by organizations like PETA because I think they give vegetarians and vegans a bad name by making them look like zealots. The people running PETA and many of its members have some shady associations with more extreme groups that commit acts of vandalism, arson, and violence. They are also very hypocritical in that they claim to be saving animals lives yet they euthenise thousands of dogs and cats each year. Penn and Teller did and excellent episode expose of PETA:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY
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    Nov 03, 2007 9:14 AM GMT
    I used to be a card-carrying member of PETA. I'm not any more because of the tactics employed by some members and because so many of the people in positions of authority at PETA are amazingly ignorant about animals and their behavior. Case in point: At one of the local zoos in my area, they introduced a new wolf to the pack. After some of the usual sniffing about, etc, the Alpha wolf snapped at the newbie, inflicting a minor wound. Newbie was immediately removed and cared for. This is normal behavior for wolves in determining one's place in the pack. PETA officials, however, went ballistic on the zoo, accusing them of endangering the Newbie wolf. Obviously, they know nothing at PETA about wolves...

    I can not support any animal rights group who's leaders don't even know basics about animal behavior. I'm the very first person you'll see defending animals... its how I was raised... but I've spent my life learning how they behave and interacting with them. I know of what I speak...

    As for trying to guilt people into becoming vegetarians... not cool. Its one thing to educate... its another thing entirely to keep pushing... and yes, this is a bit pushy, or at least comes across that way. Your intentions are very honorable, but your choice of approach and your choice of place is accomplishing the opposite of what you desire.

    ~Peace~
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    Nov 03, 2007 10:28 AM GMT
    PETA and similar groups would have a lot more impact if they were actually as concerned with the humane treatment of animals as they perport to be with the 'ethical' position of total abstinance.

    Several years ago my pastor went on a 6 mos mission to Africa, and another priest was brought in to take over his duties temporarily. The new priest, visiting from the midwest, was a 'fire and brimstone' crucifiction theologist who spent every single sermon yelling at the congregation about the evils of abortion, and why we were all going to hell because we allowed such things to happen in our communitty. He harped on, and on, and on about abortionaries, fetuses murder, etc. VERY OVERZEALOUS, and VERY GRAPHIC.

    The problem was that to anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of medicine or the law he was incredibly misinformed about the reality.

    Anyone who dared to later suggest that he might be incorreect was treated to a blistering diatribe.

    After the fifth or sixth Sunday of this the congregation was ready to revolt. NOT because most of us disagreed with his position on abortion, but because of the WAY in which he insisted on his myopic persuit of this one singular topic, and his constant chastisement of the whole congregation. Finally the Bishop had to intervene and replace the guy.

    Lesson: Even if people are fundamentally in sympathy with your beliefs, they don't like being constantly admonished with negativity.

    This is fundamentally a health and fitness websits BBS; I think the vast majority of users, and the foundders will agree that they would prefer to keep a positive outlook to healthy discussions of primarily health and fitness topics.

    Yes, there are a lot of silly discussions and a lot of kidding around here on the boards, but its almost all in fun.

    If a person wishes to constantly harp on the evils of one particular subject then maybe this isn't the best forum for that.

    I am damned certain that all the anti-meat eater and related threads are starting to annoy me.

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    Nov 03, 2007 10:36 AM GMT
    Amen to that, ITJock.