The new Swine Flu

  • tbeaux

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    Apr 27, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    The swine flu, what are your thoughts? Do you feel that it is blown out of proportion or is there a serious threat? Will you start wearing a mask around large crowds?
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    Apr 27, 2009 2:27 AM GMT
    I'm too busy worrying about being captured by pirates.
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    Apr 27, 2009 2:39 AM GMT
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    Apr 27, 2009 2:39 AM GMT
    5537B00B saidI'm too busy worrying about being captured by pirates.


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  • iGator

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    Apr 27, 2009 2:41 AM GMT
    I run a fitness center in Texas and while I agree that it's not at the point where we are needing to close, I am going to be posting signs urging people to wipe down equipment and wash hands frequently.

    Personally, I'm starting to carry a bottle of the alcohol disinfectant gel to use on a regular basis.

    While no "serious" cases of Swine flu have been found in the area, 14 schools in the area have been closed until further notice and I don't think we can be too cautious.

    I urge everyone that reads this to remember to wash hands frequently, and wipe you equipment (including dumbbells) after use.

    Happy Lifting!!!
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    Apr 27, 2009 4:41 AM GMT
    ...and "no tongue" when kissing your pig.
  • brianstephens

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    Apr 27, 2009 5:06 AM GMT
    I'm actually kind of worried about it...

    If its killed like 8 students, or however many it was, on the East Coast, and there are even cases in California, then it could totally spread.
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    Apr 27, 2009 5:09 AM GMT
    brianstephens saidI'm actually kind of worried about it...

    If its killed like 8 students, or however many it was, on the East Coast, and there are even cases in California, then it could totally spread.


    No one is the US has died. In fact those in the US infected for the most part have not even required hospitalization. Please get the facts before you worry yourself to much.
  • dfrourke

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    Apr 27, 2009 5:13 AM GMT
    Where the hell are you people getting your information? No one has died in this outbreak in the US...

    The history of swineflu in the US goes back to 1976 although this virus was isolated in a pig in 1930...Recently, there were 12 cases from from 2005-2008 [zero deaths]...one case in 1988 [1 death]...and 200 cases in 1976 [1 death]...according to the CDC...then a new strain emerged in the past few weeks...there are 20 reported cases in 5 states...

    In Mexico the current stats are: 1300 infected and 81 deaths...

    No current vaccine in the works. This current strain [h1n1] is resistent to two antivirals, but is susceptible to two antivirals which is why treatment is possible.

    Although the Flu Shot which usually carries a strain of the HUMAN H1N1 virus wont provide immunity, it is thought that those who received a flu shot would have symptoms to a lesser degree [provide some protection]...

    Right now, all recommendations are at the "self care" stage...[things you can do for yourself to prevent transmission]...

    read up: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/

    - David
  • brianstephens

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    Apr 27, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
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    brianstephens saidI'm actually kind of worried about it...

    If its killed like 8 students, or however many it was, on the East Coast, and there are even cases in California, then it could totally spread.


    No one is the US has died. In fact those in the US infected for the most part have not even required hospitalization. Please get the facts before you worry yourself to much.


    Oh, my dad told me that he just heard on the news 8 kids in school died from it.
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    Apr 27, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu.ny/index.html

    Not quite...8 students in NY have the swine flu. Not died from it.

    If you don't want to read the whole story, here is the gist of it.

    The students have had only mild symptoms and none have been hospitalized, he said. Some of the students have already recovered.
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    Apr 27, 2009 5:32 AM GMT
    From the CDC website:

    There are everyday actions people can take to stay healthy.
    - Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. -
    - Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.
    - Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hands cleaners are also effective.
    - Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread that way.

    Try to avoid close contact with sick people.
    - Influenza is thought to spread mainly person-to-person through coughing or sneezing of infected people.
    - If you get sick, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

    http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm
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    Apr 27, 2009 5:44 AM GMT
    5537B00B saidI'm too busy worrying about being captured by pirates.
    I love it!
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    Apr 27, 2009 6:34 AM GMT
    VanNess saidFrom the CDC website:

    There are everyday actions people can take to stay healthy.
    - Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. -
    - Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.
    - Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hands cleaners are also effective.
    - Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread that way.

    Try to avoid close contact with sick people.
    - Influenza is thought to spread mainly person-to-person through coughing or sneezing of infected people.
    - If you get sick, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

    http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm



    Great advice for trying to stay healthy - any time. I do these things - and I hardly ever get colds, flu, and I'm almost never sick. The other thing I do - and I think we all should do this - is to use the towels gas stations have to handle the gas pumps. I also use the sanitary wipes before I touch a grocery cart. Last thing I try to do is wash hands and keep them away from my face.
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    Apr 27, 2009 11:44 AM GMT
    dfrourke said
    No current vaccine in the works. This current strain [h1n1] is resistent to two antivirals, but is susceptible to two antivirals which is why treatment is possible.
    - David


    The resistance of the new strain of H1N1 to the antivirals amantadine and rimantadine is of no concern. Since zanamivir (Relenza) and oseltamivir (Tamiflu), two commonly used antivirals for influenza, are effective against the new Swine Flu strain.
    There also appears to be a vaccine available. Here is a quote from Time-CNN
    "In preparation for such a scenario, the CDC has created a seed stock of a vaccine against the swine flu, which could be pushed into production should the number of cases jump significantly. The CDC did not specify what the threshold for vaccine production would be"
    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893942,00.html
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    Apr 27, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    I've been having too much fun this weekend to keep up. Found this summary this morning helpful: (also just read the EU just advised no one should travel to the US or Mexico)

    Q&A: Why is swine flu such a big deal?
    NBC's Robert Bazell sorts the facts from the fears


    By Robert Bazell
    Chief science and health correspondent
    NBC News
    updated 8:01 p.m. ET, Sun., April 26, 2009

    As new cases of swine flu emerge around the globe, from Ohio to Nova Scotia to New Zealand, the declaration of a "public health emergency" in the United States has further stoked fears and confusion.

    NBC Chief Science and Health Correspondent Robert Bazell answers questions on the outbreak.

    If this disease is like a mild flu, why is this being called a public health emergency? And why are officials in the United States concerned?

    It's about the potential. It's not about what's happening right now. None of the 20 cases so far in the United States have been very serious. But the virus here is genetically identical to the strain of the virus that is killing people in Mexico.

    This is a new virus so there's no natural immunity. It has the potential to spread very widely. That's what raises worries about a possible pandemic.

    Don't thousands of people die from the regular flu? What's special this time around?

    Generally, people who die from influenza are older people or those who already have respiratory problems. They end up dying of pneumonia. But this time around, the people who died in Mexico are younger. They are apparently healthy people in their 20s, 30s and 40s. That's a big deal. When a virus seems to preferentially affect healthy people, it suggests its a new virus and is causing an overreaction of the immune response. That's what happened with bird flu as well.

    Influenza is virus that is always circulating between birds and pigs and people. Some have different genes that make them more or less infectious.

    I have symptoms of the flu but haven’t recently been to Mexico? Should I go to the doctor?

    Swine flu at a glance
    Key developments Sunday on swine flu outbreaks:


    — Deaths: 103 suspected, all in Mexico.
    — Sickened: 1,614 in Mexico, suspected or confirmed; 20 confirmed in U.S.; 13 suspected in New Zealand; 6 confirmed in Canada; 7 suspected in Spain; 1 suspected in France; 1 suspected in Israel.
    — Locations in Mexico: 17 states, including Mexico City, Mexico State, Veracruz, Oaxaca, Baja California and San Luis Potosi. Some, including Oaxaca, Mexico City and Baja California, have tourist areas, but authorities have not said where in these states the outbreaks occurred.
    — Locations in U.S.: California, Kansas, New York, Ohio and Texas.
    — Safety measures in Mexico: In Mexico City, surgical masks being given away on the subway system, public events canceled, schools and public venues closed and church services postponed. President Felipe Calderon has assumed new powers to isolate infected people.
    — Safety measures worldwide: Airports screening travelers from Mexico for flu symptoms. China, Russia and Taiwan plan to put anyone with symptoms under quarantine. Hong Kong and South Korea warn against travel to Mexico City and three provinces. Italy, Poland and Venezuela advised citizens to postpone travel to affected areas of Mexico and the United States.
    — Safety measures in U.S: Roughly 12 million doses of Tamiflu being moved from federal stockpile for delivery to states. Travelers at border being asked about travel to flu-stricken areas. St. Francis Preparatory School in New York, where eight cases are confirmed, will be closed Monday and Tuesday.
    Source: The Associated Press

    You should go to the doctor if you have a fever or are really sick, for instance if you have difficulty breathing, even if you haven't been to Mexico.

    The cases in the U.S. are not just among people who have been to Mexico. And the cases in the U.S. are so geographically dispersed and with no obvious connection to each other, that it seems this virus has already spread widely in the United States.

    We shouldn’t start overwhelming emergency rooms or doctors' offices with every little sniffle or cough. But fever is the main thing. If you had the flu bad enough to start endangering you, you would feel so awful you would want to go to the doctor anyway.

    You should also follow flu etiquette. If you are sick, you should stay home from work or school and limit contact with others.

    Why is the disease so much more serious in Mexico than here?

    Probably because it started in Mexico. That's going to become a big issue over time. There's supposed to be a pandemic prevention plan to contain a new flu virus by giving people in surrounding area Tamiflu. But it has obviously been spreading in Mexico for up to a month. The new strain of swine flu was discovered in California before the U.S. even knew about cases in Mexico. The virus could also be mutating.

    Why is there so much uncertainty about what happens next?

    Every epidemic has its own behavior. There's really no way of predicting. This could really just fade out or it could become very serious. Right now we are in a period of great uncertainty. In public health, that's the hardest thing.
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    Apr 27, 2009 12:32 PM GMT
    What is ominous about this strain is that most of the deaths occurred in individuals age 25 to 45. With your every day flu, deaths are in the very young or the feeble old. Pandemics are characterized by deaths in the the young adult population. This was the case in the great pandemic of 1918-1919 (Spanish Flu) which killed millions of people worldwide. Many deaths from the Spanish flu occurred from secondary bacterial infections. We have antibiotics for this today which weren't available then. The Spanish flu caused a over active immune response which resulted in damage to capillaries in the lungs. The increased permeability of vessels (called noncardiac pulmonary edema) allowed fluid from the blood stream to leak into the lungs. The individuals suffocated on their own fluids. This problem now can be treated in the ICU with mechanical ventilation. This modality was not available then. The USA which has the most technically advanced health care system in the world should be able to withstand the an onslaught better than an undeveloped nation with few resources.
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    Apr 27, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    And people still don't believe in Evolution... LOL, okay okay I just had to say that.

    Anyway yeah, it's worrying but not enough to start panicking. :/ As if Panic ever helped anyone anyway. SARS was contained fairly rapidly though, and I hope it gets the same response time in this case. But then again, Asia has a different sort of diplomatic relations with neighboring countries than the relations between Mexico and the US (where the latter views the former as inferior, at least it seems that way to the rest of us) as well as the problems of illegal immigration. They have to work together to contain it.
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    Apr 29, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    The first death.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
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    Apr 29, 2009 3:31 PM GMT
    Gatorade saidI run a fitness center in Texas and while I agree that it's not at the point where we are needing to close, I am going to be posting signs urging people to wipe down equipment and wash hands frequently.

    Personally, I'm starting to carry a bottle of the alcohol disinfectant gel to use on a regular basis.

    While no "serious" cases of Swine flu have been found in the area, 14 schools in the area have been closed until further notice and I don't think we can be too cautious.

    I urge everyone that reads this to remember to wash hands frequently, and wipe you equipment (including dumbbells) after use.

    Happy Lifting!!!


    Wash hands frequently? eh wouldn't they have to start washing hands firsticon_question.gificon_razz.gificon_evil.gif

    can't tell you the number of guys i see who do not wash their hands after using the bathrooms-and i'm talking using the stalls not urinalsicon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM GMT

    Having lived in Hong Kong during both the SARS episode and subsequent H5N1 scares, my reaction to the current Swine Flu outbreak is to avoid un-necessary trips to places where large numbers of people gather, particularly tourist spots. My son and I canceled a trip today to the Science Museum in Boston in favor of a hike in the mountains on Friday.

    I'm generally pretty good about washing my hands often b/c I work with animals a lot. At least until a clearer picture emerges of the real lethality and transmissibility of H1N1, I will err on the side of caution.

    I'm not sure I would fly these days as I have nothing about airlines disinfecting planes - even those flying out of known hotspots. If I had to fly I would consider a face mask and definitely carry hand sanitizer to wipe down all of the surfaces around my seat.
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    Apr 29, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    The first death outside of Mexico caused by swine flu was confirmed in the States.
    It was a little kid.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jlEyJ1wrYfMT-ikKpSAuZ4xSKJow
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    Apr 29, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    5537B00B saidI'm too busy worrying about being captured by pirates.


    why worry?

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    Apr 29, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
    Damn PIG flu, now i can't make out with anybody, ehh!!! icon_mad.gif
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    Apr 29, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    "Patient Zero", the one who started all of this, is believed to have been identified as a five year old boy from a small village in Mexico. Now I can have someone to blame and send the bill for my Hazmat suit, bomb shelter, generator, and 5 year supply of non-parishable food to. I would send it to CNN for causing mass hysteria with a flu virus that is less deadly than the common flu which kills an estimated 36,000 people a year. But then again, I rely on them to tell me what I should fear every morning...with my cup of coffee that no doubt contains Anthrax. icon_rolleyes.gif