Are You a Liberal Homosexual Secular Humanist?

  • GQjock

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    Apr 27, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    Well Join The Club icon_biggrin.gif

    Polls show that the ranks of atheists are growing. The American Religious Identification Survey, a major study released last month, found that those who claimed “no religion” were the only demographic group that grew in all 50 states in the last 18 years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?_r=1&hpw

    Until we get rid of the Lies and the twisting of morals by religion we are never going to get rid of hate
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    Apr 27, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    I'm a progressive-nationalist social liberal.

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    Apr 27, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
    If this gets any more convoluted it'll sound like an order at a Starbucks. icon_razz.gif
  • GQjock

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    Apr 27, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    Haha icon_wink.gif

    You want cream with your Secular Humanist?
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    Apr 27, 2009 10:53 PM GMT
    GQjock saidWell Join The Club icon_biggrin.gif

    Polls show that the ranks of atheists are growing. The American Religious Identification Survey, a major study released last month, found that those who claimed “no religion” were the only demographic group that grew in all 50 states in the last 18 years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html?_r=1&hpw

    Until we get rid of the Lies and the twisting of morals by religion we are never going to get rid of hate


    So let me see if I understand you correctly. It's your position that hate will be eliminated once we convert to be a LHSH?
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    Apr 27, 2009 10:56 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidIf this gets any more convoluted it'll sound like an order at a Starbucks. icon_razz.gif


    Haha, yes, I'll have mine with marsh mallows please.
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    Apr 27, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    There should be a dating website for the liberal homosexual secular humanists.
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    Apr 27, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
    NO!!! And consider the source,,,The NY Times too?icon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 27, 2009 11:17 PM GMT
    NCTOMMY saidNO!!! And consider the source,,,The NY Times too?icon_exclaim.gif


    Had you read the article you would see that the New York Times did not do the survey, they are only reporting it as did CNN, ABC, and the Jesus loving Conservative rag NewsMax.

    But, there is a nice message of tolerance and mutual respect in that article that was lost on others or they too did not read the article.

    Flame on.
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    Apr 27, 2009 11:23 PM GMT
    I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative--almost Libertarian. I'm definitely an atheist but not a Humanist because of altruism in its creed. I like what Ayn Rand wrote about the Virtue of Selfishness Other than the altruism word--putting others before self then I could call myself a humanist. Altruism has no exceptions to it--can I breathe for another man, can I have any food at all when others need it too. If you take care of yourself first then you can help others, because it isn't guaranteed that others will help you when you are in need.
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    Apr 28, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    Yes
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    Apr 28, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    herbdoc saidI'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative--almost Libertarian. I'm definitely an atheist but not a Humanist because of altruism in its creed. I like what Ayn Rand wrote about the Virtue of Selfishness Other than the altruism word--putting others before self then I could call myself a humanist. Altruism has no exceptions to it--can I breathe for another man, can I have any food at all when others need it too. If you take care of yourself first then you can help others, because it isn't guaranteed that others will help you when you are in need.


    That sounds like an issue of semantics rather than a principled objection. Taking care of others and taking care of yourself are not mutually exclusive. Both are important. And however altruistic you are, your own basic needs must be met first, otherwise you won't have the resources to help others. That's why flight attendants always tell you to make sure your own oxygen mask is secure before you put one on your child.

    One of the founders of Rabbinic Judaism, Rabbi Hillel, is famously known for the following sayings: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"

    If you take the first saying to its extreme, that is selfishness. If you take the second one to its extreme, that is altruism. Yet Hillel puts the two together, to indicate that we must find a balance between the two.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 28, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
    NO!!! And consider the source,,,The NY Times too?

    OMG! The evil dreaded NYT's icon_eek.gif

    Where's my nearest Murdoch rag? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • dantoujours

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    Apr 28, 2009 12:47 AM GMT
    Socially liberal, Swedish-style socialist, Anglican/Episcopalian here. Not all religions twist morality and preach hate.

    Let's banish so-called "free market" capitalism (which is never really free) and get rid of exploitation and social darwinism.

    Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
    Arise, you wretched of the earth!
    For justice thunders condemnation:
    A better world's in birth!
    No more tradition's chains shall bind us,
    Arise you slaves, no more in thrall!
    The earth shall rise on new foundations:
    We have been nought, we shall be all!
    'Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international brotherhood
    Shall be the human race
    'Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international working class
    Shall be the human race


    Happy May Day Friday!
  • HotCoach

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    Apr 28, 2009 12:47 AM GMT
    Card Carrying.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:27 AM GMT
    Totally.
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:10 PM GMT
    DantoujoursSocially liberal, Swedish-style socialist, Anglican/Episcopalian here. Not all religions twist morality and preach hate.


    I'm down with that too.
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
    I'm just human who treats everyone with dignity and respect. That's all.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidI'm just human who treats everyone with dignity and respect. That's all.icon_biggrin.gif


    Amen to that !!

    In terms of the original comment on the thread.I have to admit that I am more agnostic than atheistic but my friends say that is just me being a chicken and that I am sitting on the fence trying to have it both ways! LOL icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:45 PM GMT
    On social issues - liberal;
    On economic/fiscal issues - conservative/libertarian;
    On religious issues - agnostic but accepting of people's right to worship however they see fit.

    And I reserve the right to have totally different views and opinions 20 years from now! I like to be a free-thinker and challenge the way I see the world.

    I dislike these blanket statments about human beings. Yet another box one is being forced into which are rarely accurate. Maybe that is why I don't have that many close friends. They expect me to act a certain way or believe in certan things, and I refuse to conform. Never was a club joiner, and could never see myself joining a fraternity.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 28, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    What is a humanist?
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
    This little chap is their logo.

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    It's cute. I'm joining.
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:51 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidWhat is a humanist?


    Have a human focussed, non-religious view of the world, is how I view humanism.
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
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    Timberoo saidWhat is a humanist?


    Have a human focussed, non-religious view of the world, is how I view humanism.


    hmmm, not sure about that. I don't believe people are evil, but I do think they usually take the path of least resistance to get what they want.
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    Apr 28, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    Timberoo said
    SurrealLife said
    Timberoo saidWhat is a humanist?


    Have a human focussed, non-religious view of the world, is how I view humanism.


    hmmm, not sure about that. I don't believe people are evil, but I do think they usually take the path of least resistance to get what they want.


    people are evil and yeah, they do take the path of least resistance icon_razz.gif