Obesity becoming U.S. civil rights issue for some

  • bijockmuscle

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    Apr 28, 2009 1:28 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090428/ts_nm/us_obesity_acceptance_1

    thoughts? "health at any size???" how can one be healthy and fat??
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:01 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle saidhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090428/ts_nm/us_obesity_acceptance_1

    thoughts? "health at any size???" how can one be healthy and fat??


    this is america. anything and everything seems to be permissible
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
    i just wrote a huge research paper on obesity in america for one of classes, its amazing at some of the numbers....this issue needs to be solved
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    article"We do need to fight obesity, but not obese people," said Puhl. "Individuals ... who are discriminated against because of their weight are more likely to engage in unhealthy eating behaviors and avoidance of physical activity."


    So, because you are discriminated against for being fat you therefor engage in poor lifestyle choices?

    Bullshit. You don't get fat by making good diet choices and exercising.

    While it is atrocious that many of us don't treat our fellow humans with the respect they deserve let's not dance around the issue of health. Discrimination is deplorable. But hiding a personal health issue in a prejudice issue is magical thinking.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:21 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    article"We do need to fight obesity, but not obese people," said Puhl. "Individuals ... who are discriminated against because of their weight are more likely to engage in unhealthy eating behaviors and avoidance of physical activity."


    So, because you are discriminated against for being fat you therefor engage in poor lifestyle choices?

    Bullshit. You don't get fat by making good diet choices and exercising.

    While it is atrocious that many of us don't treat our fellow humans with the respect they deserve let's not dance around the issue of health. Discrimination is deplorable. But hiding a personal health issue in a prejudice issue is magical thinking.
    Get ready to be flamed MZ! People jumped all over me when I dared to suggest a solution to over eating is to eat less.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
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    Way to go! BiJock were you obese in another life? What is this pathological obession that you have with your over the top bigotry that you have with people who are over-weight? I don't get it!icon_question.gif?icon_question.gif?icon_confused.gif

    It's lunatic!
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:26 PM GMT
    I know it's considered a disability in some states.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    When they start saying we need more tolerance in health care is when I go of the deep end. The reason I can't afford healthcare is because of the problems caused by obese people, and smokers. Both have made horrible life choices that increase their medical expenses dramatically. Because of this health care premiums rise and I can't afford healthcare because a decent health care plan is 800 dollars a month. Yes 800 dollars a month for a healthy 24 yr old man who is in great shape and doesnt smoke. even if I qualified for NY's plan for the poor it costs over 300 dollars a month. FUCK FAT ACCEPTANCE. LOSE THE DAMN WEIGHT.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
    The logic they use would also justify crack addicts, alcoholics, prescription drug users, any person who is addicted to some form of physical unhealthy behavior to qualify as a civil rights issue.

    While no one disagrees that someone should be treated with less respect for being fat, it is a plethora of adjectives that they turn this into anything more than a group who seeks to promote a positive, healthy lifestyle for people who are incessantly unsuccessful in weight loss.

    And no, I haven't been skinny my whole life.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    StripperRocco saidI know it's considered a disability in some states.


    You can be considered disabled by the Social Security Administration for obesity alone. You don't need any secondary complications of obesity such as heart disease to be considered disabled. Once you are determined to be disabled you can receive a monthly check. The check will continue as long as you remain obese and unable to work. After two years of disability, the applicant will receive health insurance (Medicare even though you are not 65 years old). Since this is a federal program, this is applicable to all fifty states....I used to do consulting work for Social Security Disability.
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    Apr 28, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    Humans are as interdependent as bees in a hive. The question is: should interdependency result in limitations on our personal independence? We are humans, after all, not bees.

    I can argue that my choice of using a seatbelt in my car, or a helmet on my motorcycle, is my own. If I suffer from this choice, is that not my own problem, not yours?

    But in the modern world, my injuries become a social burden, not just my own. Should you pay my bill because I chose to be irresponsible? This is the practical challenge to the concept of Rugged Individualism that has been an American trait since Colonial times.

    Will you tell me I must wear a coat when I go outside in the cold, because I might become sick and take money out of your pocket? Is becoming drunk a crime, regardless of driving issues, because it means my long-term health is at risk, for which you may have to pay at some point?

    And if I get fat (or fatter than I already am), am I a criminal, or a sociopath? Frankly I can't answer my own questions, except to pose them. Life is not always full of easy answers. Indeed, I sometimes think the essence of life is the irresolvable conflict, around which we must either compromise, or perish.
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    Apr 28, 2009 3:15 PM GMT
    The overall arrogance and close mindedness of certain Gay Men leave me God Slapped! Would you Chungo or Pinny both of whom are I guess are "skinny" say these hurt things to an over weight person face. Your bigotry is just very off-putting. How is your bigotry any different from the bigotry that we experience? Is it because in your view we are gay by birth? There are some bo str8t and gay who would argue that point.

    Chungo; you say that you can't get decent health insurance for under 800.00. Have you checked out Keiser, or Delta I know for a fact that you can get insurance for fewer than 200.00 dollars because I had it when I was out of work. That was out of pocket. Unless you have a pre-existing condition yes your policy will be more expensive. You can't drop that at the over weight people of the world door step. Where is your data to support your argument???
  • Webster666

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    Apr 28, 2009 3:17 PM GMT
    We're supposed to reconfigure the entire world to accommodate people who have chosen to be obese.
    Yes, in almost all cases, it is a choice.
    You choose to eat too many fattening foods.
    You choose to not get enough exercise.
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    Apr 28, 2009 3:29 PM GMT
    So what ship them off to island? Isolate them from the rest of world? That is sooo closed minded. You know I accept people as they are because that what we do as human beings. I don't judge people unless they judge me to the notion that obese people deserve to be treated with out dignity and respect.

    I just can't wrap my head around. I just can't I never will. I have often stepped up stop people from teasing and belittling others because they are diffrent because I care about people and their feelings.

    To answer yours queries! YES! Just as we want to the world to accomdate and accept us.

    So instead of drinking all this haterade, I challenge any of you to assist someone that you know is over weighgt in a workout program or a diet.

    Chances are you will do nothing but sit on the sidelines and tease them and talk about. Which is the mantra of most gay men like yourselves who think that since you are fit that you are intitled to mock others who are not!
    Shameful!


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    Apr 28, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    There is a storm gathering.

    My rights will be taken away.

    I am a parent who has to sit back and watch the schools teach my kids that accepting obese people is okay.

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    Here we go again...
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    Apr 28, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    Royalchaos2 saidThere is a storm gathering.

    OMG, they're gonna let fat people get married now? icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM GMT
    These are human being not aliens and no one is saying that. If the school is teaching your kid that then what are you doing as a parent to prevent it? Are you packing a healthy lunch for your kid? Whay are you as a concerned parent not doing anything about it and if you are what are you doing?
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    Apr 28, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    It's called satire, lol. I wasn't serious. Check the gathering storm commercial on youtube. I'm on your side.
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    Apr 28, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
    Bigotry is not a laughing manner especially when we gay men are bigoted towards others. Be it age, education, income level and attractiveness. Most importantly weight.
    It's sickening.icon_mad.gif
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    Apr 28, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    article"We do need to fight obesity, but not obese people," said Puhl. "Individuals ... who are discriminated against because of their weight are more likely to engage in unhealthy eating behaviors and avoidance of physical activity."


    So, because you are discriminated against for being fat you therefor engage in poor lifestyle choices?

    Bullshit. You don't get fat by making good diet choices and exercising.

    While it is atrocious that many of us don't treat our fellow humans with the respect they deserve let's not dance around the issue of health. Discrimination is deplorable. But hiding a personal health issue in a prejudice issue is magical thinking.



    Reminds me of hate the sin, not the sinner bullshit the church tries to use to rationalize their attitude towards gay


    The more we adapt the world to accommodate obese people the more people will allow themselves become obese without taking action to prevent it. That's why obesity is less prevalent in Europe because people will stare, point and whisper at grossly overweight people because it's a social taboo and then themselves rethink that second, third portion of snackfood they otherwise might of eaten out of concern for not becoming an obese individual
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    Apr 28, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidBigotry is not a laughing manner especially when we gay men are bigoted towards others. Be it age, education, income level and attractiveness. Most importantly weight.
    It's sickening.icon_mad.gif


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    Apr 28, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidThe overall arrogance and close mindedness of certain Gay Men leave me God Slapped! Would you Chungo or Pinny both of whom are I guess are "skinny" say these hurt things to an over weight person face. Your bigotry is just very off-putting. How is your bigotry any different from the bigotry that we experience? Is it because in your view we are gay by birth? There are some bo str8t and gay who would argue that point.

    Chungo; you say that you can't get decent health insurance for under 800.00. Have you checked out Keiser, or Delta I know for a fact that you can get insurance for fewer than 200.00 dollars because I had it when I was out of work. That was out of pocket. Unless you have a pre-existing condition yes your policy will be more expensive. You can't drop that at the over weight people of the world door step. Where is your data to support your argument???


    Yes I would say this to a fat persons face, sorry but it is the truth.

    As for health insurance, I have checked out all available options. When were you out of work? because rates have been sky rocketing. Did you not read my post. even health insurance for people who qualify for healthy NY, which I don't qualify for is over 300 dollars a month.
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    Apr 28, 2009 4:11 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidThe overall arrogance and close mindedness of certain Gay Men leave me God Slapped! Would you Chungo or Pinny both of whom are I guess are "skinny" say these hurt things to an over weight person face. Your bigotry is just very off-putting. How is your bigotry any different from the bigotry that we experience? Is it because in your view we are gay by birth? There are some bo str8t and gay who would argue that point.

    Chungo; you say that you can't get decent health insurance for under 800.00. Have you checked out Keiser, or Delta I know for a fact that you can get insurance for fewer than 200.00 dollars because I had it when I was out of work. That was out of pocket. Unless you have a pre-existing condition yes your policy will be more expensive. You can't drop that at the over weight people of the world door step. Where is your data to support your argument???


    As for your gay argument there is a huge difference. You are born gay you aren't generally born fat. in 99% of cases you choose to be fat. Obesity is a major problem in this country and it need sot be stopped, saying its ok you are a fat ass is not the solution.
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    Apr 28, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    Ducky45 said
    To answer yours queries! YES! Just as we want to the world to accomdate and accept us.




    I don't know what special accommodations you expect as a gay man but I don't expect any special treatment above that of the hetrosexual population icon_neutral.gif