Will GOP hypocrisy bring the Good Old Party down?

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    Nov 04, 2007 2:01 PM GMT
    Will all the recent republican sex scandals rile up the parties base to stand strong for "family values" either by supporting a third party candidate or just ratcheting up the anti gay, choice rhetoric.

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    Will these people finally see that hypocrisy exists on both sides of the aisle, and maybe the republicans will get off from preaching on their soapbox about morality.

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    Nov 04, 2007 3:48 PM GMT
    All the same. Different issues, same corrupt candidates who's only concern is getting into office and maintaining a dynasty of rule. Bush dynasty is no different than the Clinton dynasty.

    Just the same status quo establishment that calls itself a democracy when it isn't.
  • metta

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    Nov 04, 2007 4:10 PM GMT
    No way...all that they will do is deny it. They typically believe that they have superior morals to everyone else and that in the end it will be the Republican that will do the right thing. icon_rolleyes.gif For example, yesterday, Buchanan said that they are doing the right thing by resigning and that those people are not representative of their party because there are so very few of them. Now just imagine what they would say if they belonged to another party.

    Now...if they could just catch Congressman David Dreier, my congressman, so we can get rid of him as well.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Nov 04, 2007 4:13 PM GMT
    metta8 is correct. Someone pointed out that none of the Democratic candidates are divorced. There is something about that right wing, repressive mentality that prevents a person from seeing the truth. Sure, Bill Clinton had Lewinsky, but all of the stories these days involve Republicans.
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    Nov 04, 2007 4:59 PM GMT
    Haha- GOP actually stands for "Grand Old Party," not "good," just to clarify...icon_smile.gif

    I think its a little far-reaching to suggest that scandals are going to bring the Republican Party down. The party is no more scandal-ridden than the Democratic Party, and it seems to be surviving nicely. The 3rd-party deal is an unlikely scenario, in my opinion. The nation is too evenly split to afford much room for a third direction. As with all politics, there's plenty of scandal to go around in ALL directions.

    It would be hypocritical to say that Republicans are scandal-filled, while ignoring Democratic Party scandals.
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    Nov 04, 2007 5:04 PM GMT
    twisterguy20Haha- GOP actually stands for "Grand Old Party," not "good," just to clarify.

    Well it looks like someone has been partying.
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    Nov 04, 2007 5:07 PM GMT
    "The 3rd-party deal is an unlikely scenario, in my opinion."

    Even if Rudy gets the nomination? The fundies can't stand Rudy; do you think they'll hold their noses and vote for him, anyway?
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    Nov 04, 2007 5:15 PM GMT
    paradoxEven if Rudy gets the nomination? The fundies can't stand Rudy; do you think they'll hold their noses and vote for him, anyway?

    I think you're wrong on that, paradox. I assume by "fundies" you mean Evangelical Christians, and I think there's more flexability there than one might see at first glance. Is Rudy their first choice as a candidate? No, of course not. Nonetheless, there's not enough "uumph" to get a 3rd-Party movement going, especially at this late stage. They will turn out to vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton, and if that means supporting a guy like Rudy, I believe that it will happen.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 04, 2007 8:33 PM GMT
    Why? Isn't that one of the principles that it's founded on?
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    Nov 04, 2007 11:36 PM GMT
    "Haha- GOP actually stands for "Grand Old Party," not "good," just to clarify

    Actually GOP stands for "Gays On Potties."
  • RSportsguy

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    Nov 05, 2007 12:05 AM GMT
    I agree with NNJfitandbi. The GOP has too many talking heads out there with the ability to spin these stories.
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    Nov 05, 2007 12:05 AM GMT
    The one thing Republicans do is stick together. Right or wrong, flat busted with their hands in the cookie jar it doesn't matter. They will stick together. Thats where they get their strength. Democrats always fracture and go in different directions. I love it when a Republican gets caught just to see how they will get out of it. They are the party of separation, hate, greed, and more corruption than any other. And as far as being conservative, Iraq $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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    Nov 05, 2007 12:08 AM GMT
    Nothing holds a group together like a shared fear. IMO, the Repugnicans have many shared fears. Not just concerns, but real fears. Reciprically, Democraps don't have enough, but they have a lot of concerns. There is strength in fear.
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    Nov 05, 2007 12:38 AM GMT
    I see that. Along those lines, Dubya Gump wouldn't have gotten the presidency a second time if he didn't remind the bible belt (social conservatives) about their fear of homos and their threat to the divorce rate (DOMA).
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    Nov 05, 2007 1:36 AM GMT
    Frank Rich's column today is a depressing reminder of the Republican ability to seize the electorate. I find it almost incredible -- after all the crap about Iraq and fictitious nuclear weapons -- that over 50 percent of Americans favor a pre-emptive strike against Iran to keep that country from acquiring the weapons. It seems we truly live in a confederacy of dunces.

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    Nov 05, 2007 1:43 AM GMT
    Of course they do. Obama Bin Hussein is from Iran and we will NOT have him for our president, despite the efforts of the gays and their impotent PFLAG.
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    Nov 05, 2007 4:33 AM GMT
    GOP hypocrisy is no different then the Democrat hypocrisy. It is all a money game. The unfortunate reality of our political system as it stands is that the two major political parties pretty much control the ballots. A third party candidate for the most part has a horrible uphill struggle just to get enough signatures to get on the ballots in most locations and they don't have the financial means or backers to sustain themselves.

    I will always vote but anymore write in or vote for the Libertarian candidate. I know full well that they won't get elected but my vote is my voice and a protest vote at that.

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    Nov 05, 2007 5:09 AM GMT
    "Of course they do. Obama Bin Hussein is from Iran and we will NOT have him for our president, despite the efforts of the gays and their impotent PFLAG."


    thank you, Dr. Strangelove. Now, please sap my precious bodily fluids.
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    Nov 05, 2007 6:28 AM GMT
    The more people you speak to, the more you will be found hypocritical, regardless of something as inconsequential such as political affiliation.
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    Nov 05, 2007 6:55 AM GMT
    What a loaded question!!! When will the gay community stop placing such importance on party affiliation and start opening their minds a little?

    Here's a revelation for you: You can't forward the gay rights agenda by forcing everyone to become a Democrat.

    There are plenty of gay Republicans around...and even more gay-friendly ones. Recent polls have shown strong support for gay issues among registered Republicans. Why alienate them?

    The days of one party being pro-gay and one party being anti-gay are over. It's time for the gay community to work with both sides of the aisle to get some laws passed.

    Don't believe me? Consider this: The Republican Presidential frontrunner lived with a gay couple a significant portion of the time he was mayor of New York and there are plenty of youtube videos of him dressed in drag at public occasions. He has also been given awards by HRC.

    Stop with the partisan bullshit already.
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    Nov 05, 2007 7:14 AM GMT
    dillengerRecent polls have shown strong support for gay issues among registered Republicans.


    Source?
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    Nov 05, 2007 7:24 AM GMT
    "The days of one party being pro-gay and one party being anti-gay are over."

    Do the Republicans know this? I doubt it.
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    Nov 05, 2007 1:01 PM GMT
    dillenger there is an organization for gay republicans called the Log Cabin republicans and I believe that it is good that they are trying to create change within the GOP.

    That being said it unfortunately is still true that one party is anti-gay and the other is apathetic to somewhat caring about LGBT issues. The republican party has consistently been adamantly in favor of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, civil, unions, and domestic partnerships, they are also against gay adoptions, and having sexual orientation/gender identity in anti-discrimination laws.

    The Dems for the most part favor hate crimes legislation, adoption, and civil unions.

    So you please stop the partisan b.s. Not all republicans are anti-gay, but most are, atleast to please their constituencies at the moment.
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    Nov 05, 2007 1:19 PM GMT
    dillenger i presume you are talking about giuliani?

    isn't the fact that he supports the gay communinty the reason why republicans won't choose him to represent them?
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    Nov 05, 2007 1:29 PM GMT
    If we leave things up to the Repugnicans, we'll all be taking ballroom dancing lessons in airport men's rooms, practicing our wide stances.