Matthew Shepard's Death Not A Hate Crime

  • Sebastian18

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    Apr 29, 2009 9:56 PM GMT


    "North Carolina Republican Rep. Virginia Foxx is questioning whether the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old gay University of Wyoming student, was a bias attack motivated by his sexual orientation.

    Shepard's mother Judy was in the gallery at the time, according to a senior Democratic aide.

    The socially conservative Foxx, arguing against a new Democratic hate crimes bill that includes new protections for gays and lesbians, described the description of Shepard's murder as a anti-homosexual attack a "hoax" -- and questioned whether prior bias crime legislation should have been named after him." - retrieved: .4/29/09, [url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0409/Matthew_Shepard_killed_in_nonbias_robbery_Foxx_says.html
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    Seriously, it's unfortunate that the conservative movement has been reduced to such a fringe without much ability to do basic history assignments.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 29, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    Thats amazing.... I can't believe that woman thinks some of that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 29, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
    This woman is either totally brain-dead or from another planet to think that Matthew Sheppard's murder is not a hate crime. The conservative wing of the GOP is getting very desparate these days.
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    Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    Yes and the Earth is flat. It's true! Ask her.
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    Apr 29, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
    It's the Anti-Gay Agenda. She's lying. She's not making a mistake. She is lying. She hasn't misterpreted something. She is flat out lying. She should have been shouted down, escorted out and fired on the spot for lying. In effect, she's a lying cunt.
  • jc_online

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    Apr 29, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    No wonder Arlen Specter had enough and crossed over into the big tent.

    Palin 2012! I hope they nominate her or some other equally enlightened person from the far right.

    Too bad Judy Shepherd had to sit through hearing her son being defamed - she is a wonderful courageous human.
  • HotCoach

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    Apr 29, 2009 11:43 PM GMT
    I usually think of "hate" crimes to be crimes of "ignorance" instead.
  • jaded57

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    Apr 29, 2009 11:45 PM GMT
    Umm it wasnt a hate crime. It was a robbery gone wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but yeah he did have HIV. He was a self admitted meth addict.(he had sought help on campus) He did know one of his attackers. He and his mother were not as close as she would like us to believe. This has all been proven as fact by an unbiased source. Im tired of everyone saying that he was a saint. While his death was tragic it was not a hate crime. He was not singled out because he was gay. He was singled out because he was flashing crash at a local bar that even the college kids avoided because it was known as shadey. But of course the ones who are going to flame me for posting this are sheep anyway. I would hate to think you could investigate anything for yourselves it is much to easy to just believe what the media tells you right.

    And for the other who didnt take offense to this thanks. I will say once again yes I believe Matthew Sheppards death was tragic. I cant imagine the horrifying ordeal he went thru. I want to take nothing away from that. But his death was not a hate crime.
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:25 AM GMT
    Bless jaded57's heart...He just don't know any better...
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    jaded57 saidUmm it wasnt a hate crime. It was a robbery gone wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but yeah he did have HIV. He was a self admitted meth addict.(he had sought help on campus) He did know one of his attackers. He and his mother were not as close as she would like us to believe. This has all been proven as fact by an unbiased source. Im tired of everyone saying that he was a saint. While his death was tragic it was not a hate crime. He was not singled out because he was gay. He was singled out because he was flashing crash at a local bar that even the college kids avoided because it was known as shadey. But of course the ones who are going to flame me for posting this are sheep anyway. I would hate to think you could investigate anything for yourselves it is much to easy to just believe what the media tells you right.

    And for the other who didnt take offense to this thanks. I will say once again yes I believe Matthew Sheppards death was tragic. I cant imagine the horrifying ordeal he went thru. I want to take nothing away from that. But his death was not a hate crime.


    Forgive me, but it's been a while since I have reviewed the particulars of the case, but didn't the female accomplices basically admit that they viewed it as a hate crime as well? Maybe I'm thinking of some other case.

    EDIT: Also, if memory serves, one of the murderers actually admitted that it was a hate crime, then redacted his statement. Am I wrong?
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    This woman makes me cry... and so does jaded57 icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    jaded57 saidUmm it wasnt a hate crime. It was a robbery gone wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but yeah he did have HIV. He was a self admitted meth addict.(he had sought help on campus) He did know one of his attackers. He and his mother were not as close as she would like us to believe. This has all been proven as fact by an unbiased source. Im tired of everyone saying that he was a saint. While his death was tragic it was not a hate crime. He was not singled out because he was gay. He was singled out because he was flashing crash at a local bar that even the college kids avoided because it was known as shadey. But of course the ones who are going to flame me for posting this are sheep anyway. I would hate to think you could investigate anything for yourselves it is much to easy to just believe what the media tells you right.

    And for the other who didnt take offense to this thanks. I will say once again yes I believe Matthew Sheppards death was tragic. I cant imagine the horrifying ordeal he went thru. I want to take nothing away from that. But his death was not a hate crime.


    Robbery is not done in the way that Matthew Shepard was killed. Use some common sense. Robbery CANNOT go wrong like that. A botched robbery does not end with the victim being beaten, lashed to a fence in the middle of nowhere, and left to die. If a robbery goes wrong usually someone dies in the heat of passion, the simple physical evidence removes the possibility of that. It was premeditated murder due to irrational hate. The end.
  • dglater

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    Apr 30, 2009 1:56 AM GMT
    you know i always wondered how some Jews joined the Nazi and became part of them.... and then i see similar thing happening with gays, joining/supporting those who do their best to make gay life miserable. Yet, i am not comparing republicans to Nazis, i am comparing people who are being discriminated against for being a cretin "kind" supporting the people who do the discrimination.
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:01 AM GMT
    I had a house in Wyoming (for skiing) at the time of this horrendous hate crime and I read every court document released to the public. My impression is that this was definitely a hate crime. Being beaten and tied to a cattle fence in an extremely cold climate - to slowly freeze to death in horrible pain - miles outside the town of Laramie - where nobody could hear his pleas for help, is indeed more than just a robbery gone wrong. The bastards who committed the crime claimed Matthew hit on them - and admitted that was their reason for killing him in that way.

    There are times (like this) where an eye for an eye is my view on a fair and just punishment - and yes, I do think it would be a deterrent. Other homophobic thugs (being cowards) would think twice about committing these crimes if they knew how severely they would be punished.
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:13 AM GMT
    jaded57 said I will say once again yes I believe Matthew Sheppards death was tragic. I cant imagine the horrifying ordeal he went thru. I want to take nothing away from that.


    But by posting this (mis?)information about his death, without even giving us a link or two to support your claim, you are disrespecting the young man's horrible death - and that's a tragedy in itself.

    Even if you were right, something good can come of these new laws that will protect others in the future. So, who really cares if his name is on the bill? He shouldn't have to die in vain. Need I remind you he was murdered.

    Have some respect for the poor guy and his family and give it a rest. Until someone spreads hurtful information about your brother, your son, or someone you love, you will never know quite how hurtful your words (true or not) can be, even on something seemingly harmless like realjock.com. *thumbs down*
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
    unbelievable speech dedicated to hate and ignorance...
    a woman (term used lightly) with absolutely no class, dignity, or respect
    rep. virginia foxx a you are a catalyst for the end of the republican partyicon_cool.gif
    the nation is embarrassed by you ...icon_redface.gif
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    This is where the question comes from:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

    In late 2004, ABC's Elizabeth Vargas reported on an investigation into the murder for the television program 20/20. Though Vargas primarily relied on personal interviews with people involved with the matter, the report was billed as exploring "New Details Emerging in the Matthew Shepard Murder."[3] At the forefront was the possibility that the murder had in fact been motivated by drugs rather than Shepard's sexual orientation. McKinney, Henderson and Kristen Price (McKinney's girlfriend) claimed in these interviews that the attack was a result of heavy drug use, a robbery and a beating gone awry.[3] Price, in her interview with Vargas, ultimately openly remarked: "I do not think it was a hate crime at all. I never did."[3] This statement contradicted Price's first interview with 20/20 in 1998, in which she said (of McKinney and Henderson's attack): "They just wanted to beat him bad enough to teach him a lesson, not to come on to straight people, and don’t be aggressive about it anymore.”[16] In the report, Price and McKinney's long-time friend Tom O'Connor, on whose property McKinney and Price once lived, both stated their belief that McKinney was bisexual. O'Connor stated that he and McKinney had sex in the past. However, when Vargas asked McKinney whether he had ever had a sexual experience with another male, he said that he had not.[3]
    The 20/20 report also mentioned a statement by O'Connor that Shepard told him he was HIV-positive.

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    Apr 30, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    jaded- your handle explains everything. Where is your proof? Or are you just a jaded lover? Go away.
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:36 AM GMT
    Yea, there was already a thread about this.

    What a dumb bitch, though.
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    Trance24 said[3] Price, in her interview with Vargas, ultimately openly remarked: "I do not think it was a hate crime at all. I never did."[3] This statement contradicted Price's first interview with 20/20 in 1998, in which she said (of McKinney and Henderson's attack): "They just wanted to beat him bad enough to teach him a lesson, not to come on to straight people, and don’t be aggressive about it anymore.”[16] In the report, Price and McKinney's long-time friend Tom O'Connor, on whose property McKinney and Price once lived, both stated their belief that McKinney was bisexual. O'Connor stated that he and McKinney had sex in the past. However, when Vargas asked McKinney whether he had ever had a sexual experience with another male, he said that he had not.[3]


    So basically, jaded57 is asking us to listen to an outrageous claim from a confused, lying girl who likes bisexuals (who say they aren't bisexual).

    Riiiiiiiiight. Very credible.
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Apr 30, 2009 2:56 AM GMT
    The problem is that hate crimes are normally dealing with race issues and not sexual orientation. The laws need to be changed.
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    Apr 30, 2009 3:04 AM GMT
    If you'd like to give this poor excuse for a US Representative a piece of your mind, contact her at

    Phone: (202) 225-2071
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    To email her go to: http://www.house.gov/formfoxx/IMA/issue_subscribe.htm

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    Apr 30, 2009 3:12 AM GMT
    That idiot woman is wrong on so many levels. The lawyers themselves pleaded "gay panic", other witnesses mentioned the gay thing as well as the accused. As far as whether the murderers were bisexual or not does not prove anything. Some of the worst homophobes are closet homosexuals or repressed one that hate other queers. That fact does not make it any less a hate crime.

    Nevertheless, all the right wing religious nuts can dance around the facts all they want, but the persecution, beatings, murder, and other cruelty against Gays is well documented. It has been accepted for thousands of years since religion seeped into government (see Constantine and maybe earlier) gays have been the subject of scapegoating, hate, and murder.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people

    The only reason these people make an issue of it is that they fear that the harm they cause will be exposed. They like to think that their hateful teachings have no connection to the harm done to countless gay people young and old. Though I believe everyone has the right to free speech, I'm afraid many of those religious "white robes" are stained with the blood of multitudes of homosexuals.
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    Apr 30, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    Mikeylikesit saidThe problem is that hate crimes are normally dealing with race issues and not sexual orientation. The laws need to be changed.
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    That's the purpose of the legislation that was being debated in the US House today, and why Matthew Shepard's mother was in the visitor's gallery. My own Member of Congress was mentioned in a news item about this:

    Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-Fla.), who supports the hate crimes bill, stared in disbelief before answering a question about the statement.

    "It's just sad the Republican caucus has been reduced to such a fringe," she said. "It's sad they would go out of their way to prevent people from getting justice."


    Sad indeed. How the Republicans and Democrats vote on this hate crimes bill, which includes recognition of crimes against gays, should be instructive to those of us interested in gay rights & legal protections.
  • auryn

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    Apr 30, 2009 3:40 AM GMT
    Jaded57,

    Here's mine:
    Matthew Shepard's Death Was A Hate Crime, Not Simply A Robbery

    "...While his killers Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson did rob him, they also admitted that they were well aware of his sexual orientation and pretended they were gay to lure him away from the bar he was in at the time. The most striking feature of the case, of course, is that during the course of a normal, simple robbery, the victim is not generally beaten, tied to a post, and left for dead."

    '...The "Robbery" Myth Was Debunked During The Trial Of Matthew Shepard's Killers....'

    Now show us yours.

    Further, if you and Rep. Foxx can't believe that this crime was hate related, it still was a catalyst for making sure that murders based on hatred of race, sexual orientation, or whatever are given extra light in a court of law and punished accordingly. Deal with it.