gay intellectuals

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    Apr 30, 2009 1:25 AM GMT
    what do you think about them? are they influential in intelligentsia?
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    Apr 30, 2009 7:43 AM GMT
    Oscar Wilde
    Cecil Rhodes
    Svend Robinson
    Anthony Romero
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Rudolf Nureyev
    Allan Ginsburg
    E M Forster
    Andy Warhol
    Emily Dickinson
    Harvey Milk
    Virginia Woolf
    Gertrude Stein

    We can debate whether or not some of these were intellectuals - we can debate whether or not being gay was a factor - we can debate whether or not they advanced gay causes in their work - we're very good at debating so we can debate any number of related (and not) questions that might arise No matter what we think on these questions, there is no doubt they were all infuential individuals in their spheres and time.
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    Apr 30, 2009 9:43 AM GMT
    What's the purpose of your OP? Are gay intellectuals influential? Of course they are, but no more so than their straight counterparts.

    Writers, teachers, philosophers, leaders all fall under the definition of intellectual. Artists? Perhaps, though it takes an intellect to understand and interpret the artist, so I'm not so sure all "artists" should be classified as an intellectual. Eccentric ... insane, perhaps, but intellectual?
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    Apr 30, 2009 9:59 AM GMT
    Here's a list of Famous gay, lesbian, or bisexual philosophers.
    Its list of confirmed gay / lesbian / bisexual persons consists of:
    Francesco Algarotti
    Sir Francis Bacon
    Roland Barthes
    Simone de Beauvoir
    Judith Butler
    Claudia Card
    Michel Foucault
    Plato
    Alan Turing
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    Monique Wittig
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    Apr 30, 2009 10:00 AM GMT
    Tapper saidWhat's the purpose of your OP? Are gay intellectuals influential? Of course they are, but no more so than their straight counterparts.


    I really have to agree with Tapper on this. Gay or not, intellectuals are influential to society.
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:35 PM GMT
    Musclequest saidGay or not, intellectuals are influential to society.


    Unfortunately, anti-intellectuals are also influential... Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann "Thrax" Coulter...
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    paradox said
    Unfortunately, anti-intellectuals are also influential

    Social Conservatives
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM GMT
    Foucault and Barthes were kinky.
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    Apr 30, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    Damn you Descartes and your overvaluation of the mind! If it weren't for him we wouldn't be pushing everyone to be smart, ridiculing those who are dumb, or have this notion of a separate body from mind. I think if we didn't prioritize intellectuality above other ways of knowing and engaging with the world (physical, embodied, vital, spiritual) then our epistemologies could redirect us to knowing that also celebrates all the ways that are part of knowing...

    Wait, what are we talking about here?
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
    [quote]Artists? Perhaps, though it takes an intellect to understand and interpret the artist, so I'm not so sure all "artists" should be classified as an intellectual. Eccentric ... insane, perhaps, but intellectual?[/quote]

    It does take an incredible amount of intellect to present a masterpiece. I'm using dance figures as I'm most educated in that field. But choreographers such as Balanchine, Ailey, Bill T. Jones, Graham, these choreographers are some of the most intelligent people and have made a profound impact on the world of dance and art. If you take the time to read some of their books and study thier creative process, you will see that they go beyond just making up steps to put on a stage. I recommend reading 'Martha Graham : The Evolution of Her Dance Theory and Training." by Marian Horosko. Martha was very much an intellectual and anyone who she felt was not on her level would be dismissed. Also, it would help to watch Bill T. Jones documentary "Bill T. Jones: Still/Here with Bill Moyers". Bill T. Jones is one of my favorite choreographers and this DVD made me love him even more. It delves deep into his creative process and it features the piece, Still/Here. It's an absolutely beautiful piece and the only dance work to ever make me cry. And for the record, Bill T. Jones is gay and hiv positive and most of his pieces deal with these topics.
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    Apr 30, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    i would also add that of all the people in time's 100 most influential people of the 20th century, it was martha graham on the cover.