Kusras - muslim culture & homosexuals that fit in....sort of....

  • metta

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    May 06, 2009 2:14 AM GMT
    I found this culturally interesting to see how the muslims fit this in their culture.


  • dglater

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    May 06, 2009 4:27 AM GMT
    holy shit wow never expected that.
  • Sirkit

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    May 06, 2009 5:09 AM GMT
    In Iran they do something similar but they don't allow for a third gender. By edict of one of the high priestly guys the only way Gay men can be acceptable in Iran is through Gender Re-Assignment Surgeries... freaky stuff.
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    May 06, 2009 7:00 AM GMT
    Have lived here in a very socially conservative part of the Muslim world for many years. There is an active and vibrant gay life albeit almost totally underground. I find it a bit ironic that in many ways men being together with men is more socially acceptable here than is often the case in many situations in NA - but no complaints icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 06, 2009 9:03 AM GMT
    The label given to them is ridiculous, and helps to fuel the larger fire. Kusras are a part of the homosexual community, but they do NOT represent all homosexuals.
  • zakariahzol

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    May 06, 2009 12:29 PM GMT
    Tommy

    "Have lived here in a very socially conservative part of the Muslim world for many years."

    Many years? Try living here all your life
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    May 06, 2009 12:42 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidTommy

    "Have lived here in a very socially conservative part of the Muslim world for many years."

    Many years? Try living here all your life




    8 years - and regularly meet guys born, raised and lived all their lives here. While I can't live their lives I can empathize and I do see the longing to live openly in an accepting society.
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    May 06, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    This is pretty common in a lot of countries. Homosexuality goes on all the time in secret but the only ones who are able to be open about it are the highly feminine ones. Identifying yourself as gay and being masculine tends to make brains short-circuit.
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    May 06, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    I really really recommend watching this:

    A Jihad For Love

    Conservative Islamic society is dichotomous and highly patriarchal, much like older (or extremely conservative) versions of Judaism and Christianity. There are women who are inferior and there are men who are superior, nothing in between. A reflection perhaps on the strict gender roles of the mediterranean area and the east/central asia. Hence why very conservative states like Iran accepts transgenders but executes homosexuals.

    More progressive secular countries with predominantly muslim populations like Turkey are less concerned about it now though.

    The more masculine-oriented the society is, the more homophobic it is. Coincidence?

    Off-tangent but still interesting: on the opposite end of the spectrum, the Celts (including the Gauls, the Iberians, the Gaels, and the Britons etc.) were matrilineal. Women were considered among their strongest warriors (Queen Boadicea for example) and actually have slightly more power than men in terms of gender balance (though their society had probably been originally designed to be gender-equal). Homosexuality among men was also recognized and accepted as natural and some contemporary sources including Aristotle say that Celtic men actually preferred to sleep with men. icon_razz.gif

    And then the Romans came, who inherited the fiercely patriarchal society of Greece, and Christianity with it. And they too gradually became misogynistic and homophobic.
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    May 06, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidThis is pretty common in a lot of countries. Homosexuality goes on all the time in secret but the only ones who are able to be open about it are the highly feminine ones. Identifying yourself as gay and being masculine tends to make brains short-circuit.


    Quoted for truth.

    It's not Carson Kressely or Richard Simmons that freaks out the Bible thumpers and Maggie Gallaghers of the world. They can pigeonhole them and turn their nose.