gm dealers...anyone on here work for one

  • baldone

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    May 10, 2009 1:34 PM GMT
    i work for a 3 line gm dealership in cleveland including pontiac and we are waiting for word on tuesday from general motors what our future is...many dealerships will be closed or at least put on warning that they must spend thousands of dollars to upgrade their facility...and pontiac is one of our lines that we sell that account for more than 50% of our new car business
  • DCEric

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    May 10, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
    ....so what will you do?
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    May 10, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    Everything I'm reading says GM will be going into bankruptcy shortly. What that will mean at the privately-owned dealership level I cannot imagine.

    There is some speculation that GM itself has put out these bankruptcy rumors as a tactical move, to force concessions out of bond holders, that might allow it to restructure without formally going into bankruptcy. The downside to this approach is that it's killing car sales, since buyers become afraid of dealing with a failing company.

    We have a good friend who's an exec with the AutoNation conglomerate of various car brand dealerships (and my hubby's sister is friends with a principal owner & founder, we attend the theatre together). Everyone's doing poorly, but Ford dealerships are still hanging in there.

    I don't know what your personal investment in your GM employer is, but it appears that Ford and most of the Japanese should survive, especially Honda in the US. But of course they've all cut back their sales forces, so that still doesn't help you. icon_confused.gif

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  • baldone

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    May 10, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    DCEric said....so what will you do?
    am starting to inquire around....due to bankruptcy and forclosure on my house i should be ok for a while on unemployment...i am currently renting a 3 bdr house and may have my son move in with me......but will have to disclose some things to him..as i am not sure that his mother has told him about my ,um, new lifestyle...course he is not stupid...anyways would save me some money and would help him out as well
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    May 10, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
    It's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of the pontiac line up was rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?

    I get that they'd keep Buick as its a bridge between Chev and Caddy
  • baldone

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    May 10, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidEverything I'm reading says GM will be going into bankruptcy shortly. What that will mean at the privately-owned dealership level I cannot imagine.

    There is some speculation that GM itself has put out these bankruptcy rumors as a tactical move, to force concessions out of bond holders, that might allow it to restructure without formally going into bankruptcy. The downside to this approach is that it's killing car sales, since buyers become afraid of dealing with a failing company.

    We have a good friend who's an exec with the AutoNation conglomerate of various car brand dealerships (and my hubby's sister is friends with a principal owner & founder, we attend the theatre together). Everyone's doing poorly, but Ford dealerships are still hanging in there.

    I don't know what your personal investment in your GM employer is, but it appears that Ford and most of the Japanese should survive, especially Honda in the US. But of course they've all cut back their sales forces, so that still doesn't help you. icon_confused.gif

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    i have about 5 years with this dealer, about 6 years with my former, gm,and 5 or so years with a lincoln mercury dealer, also some independent experience..not sure i want to stay in the auto business at this point...
  • baldone

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    May 10, 2009 8:52 PM GMT
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    Sean_85 saidIt's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of pontiac line up were only rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?
    from the rumors i hear obama wants gmc gone too as its a duplicate to the chevy lines of trucks.....pontiac is 50% of our business and we only sell about 3-5 trucks per month....and buick well the old people are hanging on to their old lesabres and centurys as the economy scares them
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    May 10, 2009 8:54 PM GMT
    baldone saidicon_cry.gif
    Sean_85 saidIt's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of pontiac line up were only rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?
    from the rumors i hear obama wants gmc gone too as its a duplicate to the chevy lines of trucks.....pontiac is 50% of our business and we only sell about 3-5 trucks per month....and buick well the old people are hanging on to their old lesabres and centurys as the economy scares them


    Yeah but even I can admit that the Buick Enclave sp? Is a hot looking cross-over. And i've heard Buick is huge in China.
  • baldone

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    May 10, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    Sean_85 said
    baldone saidicon_cry.gif
    Sean_85 saidIt's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of pontiac line up were only rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?
    from the rumors i hear obama wants gmc gone too as its a duplicate to the chevy lines of trucks.....pontiac is 50% of our business and we only sell about 3-5 trucks per month....and buick well the old people are hanging on to their old lesabres and centurys as the economy scares them


    Yeah but even I can admit that the Buick Enclave sp? Is a hot looking cross-over. And i've heard Buick is huge in China.
    enclave does indeed look good...but personally i like the gmc acadia better..more trucky looking as opposed to luxury import and you should go to the buick website and look at the new lacrosse coming out this summer...has bmw written all over it
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    May 10, 2009 9:03 PM GMT
    The real solution to this problem needs to be on a community level not a company level I worked as a car salesmen for Dodge and it was very frustrating. One seeing everyone just drive over to Toyota. Two having people come over and tell me what they want in a car and knowing exactly what car they want... but it wasn't a Dodge! I think if these dealerships want to survive, they need to combine and work in sort of a co-op sort of way. All the dealers in my town are all in one area near the same street. Bow if they all decided to work together they all would be able to boost sales and maybe save their asses. So when a customer comes onto your lot and tell you what you want.. you should be able to go to all the lots and find the car that you want. and whichever car you find them you spit the sales with the actual company you end with that wasn't yours, and split the commission. So you become more of a personal shopper. Your customers will be happier and they will b willing to return. But this could be a "communism problem" good on paper but not in the real world, but I think it might change things.
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    May 10, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    Sean_85 saidIt's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of the pontiac line up was rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?

    I get that they'd keep Buick as its a bridge between Chev and Caddy

    GMC trucks sell well, especially in the medium-duty commercial range (dump trucks, emergency vehicles, other chassis up to around 60,000 GVWR). And there are more GMC dealerships that carry this range of trucks than Chevy, whereas Chevy is better represented in the light-duty pick-up truck dealerships.

    Virtually all car manufacturers have been rebadging to share models for many decades. US carmakers made it a more obvious practice after WWII, and Pontiac has been a slightly up-scale Chevy ever since that time, although unique models have always existed, too.

    A blatant example was when the compact Chevrolet Nova came along, and the other divisions wanted their own versions. So GM took the word NOVA, and created the Omega for Oldsmobile, Ventura for Pontiac, and Apollo for Buick, all built on the Nova chassis with most of the same sheet metal. None were as popular as the original Chevy Nova, probably because you could barely tell them apart, and if you wanted a Buick you'd get a "real" one, not s stunted edition.
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    Sean_85 saidIt's a bummer the G8 was a good looking car.. but most of the pontiac line up was rebadged chevys..

    I guess they will probably be Chevy, Buick, GMC dealerships now.. why GMC was kept I don't know.. Is anyone still buying Safari's?

    I get that they'd keep Buick as its a bridge between Chev and Caddy

    GMC trucks sell well, especially in the medium-duty commercial range (dump trucks, emergency vehicles, other chassis up to around 60,000 GVWR). And there are more GMC dealerships that carry this range of trucks than Chevy, whereas Chevy is better represented in the light-duty pick-up truck dealerships.

    Virtually all car manufacturers have been rebadging to share models for many decades. US carmakers made it a more obvious practice after WWII, and Pontiac has been a slightly up-scale Chevy ever since that time, although unique models have always existed, too.


    In the industry it's called "badge engineering". At its best it asserts that different customers can be served the same car, but tweaked for different needs. For example, a Mercury could be just like a Ford, but with more standard features. The value customer stayed with the stripper Ford.
    At its worst, it is simply treating the buyers like idiots who can't tell the difference.

    Sean85 has a good point about GMC though. Ford has captured the coveted Best Selling Vehicle title for decades with the F Series pickups. But most of those years, GM pickups actually outsold the F Series in combined sales (Silverado, Avalanche, and Sierra).

    Fascinating topic. Baldone, I hope everything works out for you. There's some safety in the UAW remaining such a large player in the equation.