Full Marriage Rights

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    May 12, 2009 2:55 PM GMT
    I used to argue for the more incremental approach..........first civil unions...then marriage rights........but I've changed my mind.

    FULL MARRIAGE RIGHTS NOW.

    No more being concerned about slowly working the political system by first warming up the masses with rhetoric about civil unions.

    Enough is enough.

    We deserve it. Earned it.....and we should be loud and vocal about pushing for COMPLETE EQUAL FULL MARRIAGE RIGHTS.

    NOW.

    Even if gays themselves haven't fully openly discussed the rights (and responsibilities.....like alimony, divorce, child support etc.), we will learn very quickly once this right is granted. Straights shouldn't be the only ones to enjoy the benefits and suffer the ramifications.

    Separate but equal is inherently unequal.
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    May 12, 2009 3:13 PM GMT
    KissingPro saidI used to argue for the more incremental approach..........first civil unions...then marriage rights........but I've changed my mind.

    FULL MARRIAGE RIGHTS NOW.

    No more being concerned about slowly working the political system by first warming up the masses with rhetoric about civil unions.

    Enough is enough.

    We deserve it. Earned it.....and we should be loud and vocal about pushing for COMPLETE EQUAL FULL MARRIAGE RIGHTS.

    NOW.

    Yes, I'm coming around to that view myself. Like you, I used to support a "tactical" approach I learned in the Army: lots of small battles can win the war, rather than putting everything into one great deciding confrontation.

    The "all or nothing" attitude in gay politics most often resulted in nothing, but the more fanatical gay leaders would consider nothing less. Having half a loaf rather than none certainly seemed to me an improvement, and set up conditions for what we ultimately wanted.

    But now that the tide may have turned, the incremental approach may be outmoded. Certainly full marriage rights is what I've always wanted, not half-way compromises except to gain a foothold, and now full equality seems within reach. I just hope we're not being too optimistic & premature.
  • jrs1

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    May 12, 2009 6:08 PM GMT


    I realize that effective change in terms of beliefs is gradual. BUT:

    I don't fully understand why one should have to wait in order to be considered fully human. Gay men and women are people who're expected to pay taxes, participate in the democratic process, work, tether their time between business and pleasure, and abide by a set forth social contract. However, these wonderful men and women are not to be celebrated in terms of their undeniable rights, their constitutional rights, including marriage nor are they to receive the benefits that accrue.

    The concept of part but not all completely baffles me. I'm not attempting to allude to Plessy v. Ferguson, but if the shoe fits ...