how to improve the conditions of gays in China

  • henry100866

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    Apr 21, 2007 12:44 AM GMT
    Gays are considered to be abnormal or mad in China.gays do not have the rights to marry his man in China.Compared with US I think gays in US are happier .But I think that may be the trend that gays will be accepted one day in China.But how can we do to struggle for our rights ? What should we do to improve the conditins of gays in China?
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    Apr 21, 2007 1:26 AM GMT
    You can't expect gay liberation when China doesn't even have freedom of speech or private property rights. In some ways, China is more capitalist than even Canada and Australia, but when it comes to individual liberty, it is 100 years behind the United States. America's founding fathers did not start the Revolution for gay rights, they started it for individual liberty, which, as time evolved, meant gay rights and womens's rights and civil rights. China simply does not have the climate or the culture to encompass individual rights. It will be 100 years before it fully allows its people to express themselves as individuals. Until then, San Francisco is your best bet....
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    Apr 21, 2007 2:45 AM GMT
    Agree...

    Chinese culture has, like all cultures, good and bad points. Bad point is that it resist change...
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    Apr 21, 2007 2:57 AM GMT
    Yes, if a country does not even guarantee fundamental human rights, why would one even expect for there to be tolerance towards gay people.
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    Apr 21, 2007 5:04 AM GMT
    In the last 20 years much has changed in China. Chinese want more freedoms, and I think the govt is aware of this and is SLOWLY changing to adapt to a more democratic viewpoint. There are still very many powerful conservative people who do not want change, but they will die off. Gays are much better off than they were even 10 years ago. In some large cities it is possible to lead a gay life, to some degree. A few universities have classes in gay studies now. If I were a gay man in China, I would press for more freedoms in a peaceful, non-confrontational way. China is a conformist society, yes, but Chinese people are very individualistic and their govt will eventually grant more freedom, even to gays, as long as the legitimacy of the govt is not challenged.
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    Apr 28, 2007 10:38 PM GMT
    I'm Chinese and living in America now. Generally, I don't agree that American society is more tolerant for gays than China.

    The pressure for a Chinese gay man usually comes from his parents. It's not about politics, religion, or moral. It's simply about offspring and face. At least, nobody would beat you just because you are gay in China.

    But, in America, religion has been rooted in people's mind and become fundamental in the infrastructure of the society. That is the biggest resistance and will not disappear in the next 100 year.

    It's right that the first thing we have to do is protecting general human rights of Chinese people. But, I believe same-sex marriage is not as as in America. It's just not an urgent topic for now. Actually, scholars have already tried to propose the bill for gay marriage to the Chinese parliament, while in America Bush has tried to ban gay marriage.
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    Apr 29, 2007 12:35 AM GMT
    I am Chinses by heritage. My parents do not even speak English. Most of the extended family members are Aerican born such as my cousins, etc.

    You may have a point in the sense that a lot of the American population and the right winged political party of this country have actually worked to ban gay marriage and make it a law. Besides not legalizing gay marriage, this country actually already had factions that went as far as making it federally and permantly criminal.

    However, the Chinese, and a lot of other Asian cultures, are way behind in real tolerance of diversity in general. Gay is looked at a a sickness. And some of the things you would hear and see in Asia would be considered VERY racists here... Have you seen what the black mannequines look like in the display window of clothing stores in Japan....? Exaggerated stereotype facial features and all, you name it...

    Asian cultures does not have a HATRED of gay men like some do in our country, but it does not tolerate diverisitty or change in general.

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    Apr 29, 2007 2:28 AM GMT
    Going off of what everyone is saying. It is based on asian cultures being more about collectavism and conformity, while western cultures tend to, at least on face, celebrate individuality. So its easier to be out in western societies. Or at least thats how I understand it.

  • Apr 29, 2007 7:48 AM GMT
    It is very much the same here in Korea. Only, Koreans in general do not believe it exists in Korea. I have many gay Korean friends, I know 2 who are out and only one still has a relationship with his family~although they love and support him and have even met many of his partners, they think that he has an illness and are just waiting for the day that he gets better. All of the other Korean gay men that I know will never consider coming out to their parents, so that they don't bring shame to them. One of my closest friends is looking for jobs out of Korea simply because he is gay and the oldest son~the pressure is so great to get married that the only way he feels he can be happy is if he escapes. Sad but true.
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    Apr 29, 2007 1:12 PM GMT
    Just wanted to add that the hatred of gay men today has its roots in religeous believes and culture. AND this is mostly with cultures with MONOTHEISM, such as Christianity and Islam. Asian cultures traditionally come from POLYTHEISM, which does not take any one holy scripture as the ultimate set of values for all. Most cultures that went to war with each one other fueled by religeon in hisory (and present) were monotheistic cultures.
  • canuckdave

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    Apr 30, 2007 1:49 PM GMT
    Here's a great article in XtraWest, with link to vancouver's gay weekly about Beijings Burgeoning Lesbian community.

    "Lala girls don't wait in line
    INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS / Cruising in Beijing's lesbian bar"

    Jo Wong / Xtra West / Wednesday, September 27, 2006

    http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=4&STORY_ID=2176&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=2