Natural Mood Enhancers...

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    May 16, 2009 5:24 AM GMT
    St. John's Wort, 5HTP, Rhodiola... Has anyone taken these?

    Everyone has an opinion, what's yours?


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    May 16, 2009 6:40 AM GMT
    Exercise and adequate calories is a sure fire path to satiety.
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    May 16, 2009 10:03 AM GMT
    St John's Wort has been medically studied and is effective for depression. It was found to be as effective as the old tricyclic antidepressant drugs in the short term. It has not been determined if St John's Wort works as well as the new SSRI's such as Zoloft...St John's Wort has adverse interactions with a few prescription meds....The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA) suggests that patients with HIV/AIDS on protease inhibitors or non-nucleoside reverse transcriptase inhibitors avoid taking St. John's wort.. I did have experience with a near fatal reaction to St John's Wort about 5 years ago.. A nurse was giving her elderly mother St John's Wort for depression. A physician then prescribed an antidepressant while she was still taking St John's Wort.. The elderly lady ended up in the ICU with serotonin syndrome..Serotonin syndrome is a condition defined by muscle rigidity, fever, confusion, increased blood pressure and heart rate, and coma. If you are going to take it, you need to learn about potential side effects..

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-stjohnswort.html

    I have no experience with the other two you asked about
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    May 16, 2009 12:19 PM GMT
    I found an article from Vanderbilt University claiming that 5HTP helped depression
    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/5htp_myth.htm

    There is another thread going on about Ectasy. Some of the guys mentioned using 5HTP after taking Ectasy.
    Ectasy changes serotonin levels and can cause serotonin syndrome..similar to what happened to the elderly lady in my prior post.
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    May 16, 2009 12:47 PM GMT
    Dr Weil has written an article about Rhodolia
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400399/Rhodiola-for-What-Ails-You.html

    Dr Weil is a physician pioneer in the field of Integrative Medicine.
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    May 16, 2009 3:54 PM GMT
    I started taking St John's Wort a few years ago after a couple of years in psychoanalysis for anxiety and depression. The cause was certainly childhood crap but therapy can only go so far and I had had a setback. It made a noticeable difference within a few days (they say 10 or so, but it was half that for me) and I have taken it ever since. I am not comfortable using it long term, but every time I come off it I get grumpy and miserable. Better I should die early in an ok state of mind than live to a miserable and grumpy old age!

    I did a lot of research on it. There is a fair amount of reasonable quality evidence that it is effective for mild to moderate depression and anxiety. However, it is a powerful drug (for one so easily available). Treat it as a prescribed medication and always check for contra-indications (possible bad interactions) if you are about to take any other drugs. Be very careful using it with any other drugs with psychological effects or recreational drugs. I believe it reacts badly with some anti-retrovirals, dangerously diminishing their efect I think - this should be checked with an expert (not on the net!)

    I have never eard of the other two.
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    May 16, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    sam-E is supposed to work really well also. Lots of endorsements. If you have a doctor ask him about vitamin B shots. Much better than the pills.
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    May 16, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
    joecoolnv saidSt. John's Wort, 5HTP, Rhodiola... Has anyone taken these?

    Everyone has an opinion, what's yours?


    Joe


    Try three set of triceps dips. It completely changes your "heart" chakra energy and does the hormonal rush thing too. Heavy squats will fix it too but the dips can be done anywhere.

    http://www.realjock.com/article/275

    "After physical training, phenylethylamine as well as one of its derivative's resulting after enzymatic decomposition, the phenylacetic acid is increased significantly in the blood.The phenylethylamine is already known to have an antidepressant effect and this probably explains the beneficial effects of physical training on our mood"
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    May 16, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    I've had several clients do quite well on SAMe and St. John's Wort, but I've always suspected a placebo effect. I'd like to know whether the study cited here comparing St. John's to a tricyclic was with acute or chronic depression.

    As we've learned recently, SSRIs are no more effective than a placebo with long-term depression, though they do help measurably with a bout of clinical depression.

    Exercise, particularly aerobic, does help relieve depression, but in my own work, I've found that it requires a pretty significant shift in mood to get a client to the gym in the first place.
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    May 16, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
    chocolate, spicy food, human touch, conversation, and sex (not in any order) are all working for me. taken st. john's wort. will not have immediate results, but at least gives you a feeling like you are doing something to improve things (so, might work for mild to moderate depression, or as a placebo).
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    May 16, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    fantastic friends, family, the one i love, chocolate, good food, success etc.
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    May 16, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    Natural mood enhancers? Exercise. Weights. Running / jogging. Time hanging with friends. Developing your creativity. Success at work. Doing a good job. Good conversation. A good book. Quiet time. Watching an old movie you love. Money. A clean house. A clean car. Time with a pet. Meditation.
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    May 17, 2009 4:07 AM GMT
    LittleDudeWithMuscles saidNatural mood enhancers? Exercise. Weights. Running / jogging. Time hanging with friends. Developing your creativity. Success at work. Doing a good job. Good conversation. A good book. Quiet time. Watching an old movie you love. Money. A clean house. A clean car. Time with a pet. Meditation.


    Very Cool. A Vacation too. icon_biggrin.gif


    Joe