Bodybuilders flee drug testers; event canceled

  • coolarmydude

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    May 18, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    From http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9585824/Bodybuilders-flee-drug-testers-event-canceled?GT1=39002

    BRUSSELS (AP) - Ready to flex their pecs and strike a pose, bodybuilders at the Belgian championships scattered when doping officials showed up.

    After a spate of positive doping tests in recent years in Belgium, the event had been moved across the Dutch border to Vlissingen for the weekend competition.

    "They must have felt safe out there," doping official Hans Cooman told the Associated Press on Monday.

    But Cooman and two colleagues got the necessary papers to check the tournament in the Netherlands. And when they identified themselves just before the event — with the 20 bodybuilders weighing in and preparing themselves — the testers drew quite a response.

    The bodybuilders got up and left, preferring to quit rather than submit to doping tests. Some grabbed their gear and headed straight out the door.

    "They must have been flabbergasted," Cooman said.

    Bodybuilders usually take months to prepare for such championships, yet the sight of controllers was too much for them.

    "I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," Cooman said.

    Bodybuilding has a long history of doping, and Cooman said this latest flap "didn't do its reputation any good."

    Last year, 22 of 29 tests were positive, either for steroids or for refusing testing, a failure rate of a staggering 75 percent.

    "This was the first time though we turned up in the Netherlands," Cooman said.

    Minutes before the start of the championships, before even one gleaming pose was on display, organizers had no option but to tell a few hundred fans that had come to the Arsenaal theater that there was not point in staying.

    Now Cooman and his colleagues will report the case to the disciplinary committee, which will have to decide whether the bodybuilders can be punished because they refused to be tested.

    A man who refused to give his name at the NABBA Belgium bodybuilding federation could not explain why the competitors had suddenly rushed off and would not discuss the matter.
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    May 19, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    Losers.
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    May 19, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    Toooo funny!
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    May 19, 2009 6:24 PM GMT
    Is this really a news event? icon_lol.gif Next thing they will be breaking the news that the sky looks blue icon_eek.gif
  • InsatiableBlo...

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    May 19, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    Bodybuilders use steroids as well as growth hormones. Big deal. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
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    May 19, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    We have interesting notions of how to apply technology to sports.

    It seems to be o.k. to remove facial expression with botox, or have implants for pecs, tits, calves, etc. It seems to be o.k. to take stimulants, to some degree. It seems to be o.k. to have various surgeries, such as LASIK. It seems to be o.k. to manipulate diet, and do testing, and use technology in equipment, but, for whatever reasons the folks who aren't very good in sport seem to think that some technologies are bad.

    Clearly, sports enhancement is not nearly as dangerous as smoking, being inactive, or being obese, but he we have irrational penalties for the fittest of the fit, and the least dangerous drugs of the drugs. Without question, over the counter drugs are far more dangerous than most sports enhancing chemicals.

    The life extending and quality of life enhancements of many of the chemicals used in sports is well known by many a layman and scientist. There is no solid evidence against most hormones. In fact, arguments are strong for the disease prevention and quality of life enhancements they provide, and HRT is a major booming business because it prevents disease instead of treats it, along with allowing a higher standard of performance well into middle age.

    The movie "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", HBO'S Real Sports episode 99, John Stroussel's 20/20 report just a couple of week's ago a speak the truth on this matter.

    3114 folks died from all illicit drug use combined, while nearly 2 MILLION die annually from obesity.

    Here in Texas, 12 MILLION was spent over 2 years to test 150,000 high school athletes where there only 12 positive tests of 300,000. That's very expensive, and that's money that could likely have been used for much better causes, like...the prevention of obesity.

    The lessons of prohibition have not been learned apparently. Athletes want to compete their way, in their sport / sub culture. Folks don't go to "tested" shows / meets because they don't want to see tiny, weak, folks, nor do the guys want to train that way. The guys want to feel good and train at a high level of performance.

    It is what it is.

    Those folks that don't want to get tested, just walk away from the tested event. That's why you don't see many tested events because it's not what the athletes are really interested in.

    Interestingly, the GAO has studied the typical athlete using enhancement...they're winner's across the board in ever respect. They make more money; are higher educated; live longer; are better informed. The GAO says it's a problem to educate intelligent people, basically.

    You have to giggle if so much money and lives weren't being wasted in the witch hunt.

    Studies such as UNT's 1999 study of high level amateur and pro bodybuilders show that the guys have better mortality rates (they live longer, and enjoy a much higher quality of life, with less illness) than their sedentary counter parts.

    There are no bodies.

    Ironically, women have enjoyed the benefits of estrogen for years, but, a misinformation campaign, based on falsehoods, has tainted testosterone.

    All that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.
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    May 19, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    This is one of the few areas where I almost always agree with Chucky. I really don't think it serves anyone's interests to test at these events unless the event has been specifically billed as a "natural" event.
  • Sparkycat

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    May 19, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    Chuckystud's opinion makes a huge amount of sense, and I agree with all of it. Tiger Woods had lasik to give him excellent vision and help his golf game. Should he be banned from the sport? All the angst about steroids is not based on fact or rational analysis.




    chuckystud saidWe have interesting notions of how to apply technology to sports.

    It seems to be o.k. to remove facial expression with botox, or have implants for pecs, tits, calves, etc. It seems to be o.k. to take stimulants, to some degree. It seems to be o.k. to have various surgeries, such as LASIK. It seems to be o.k. to manipulate diet, and do testing, and use technology in equipment, but, for whatever reasons the folks who aren't very good in sport seem to think that some technologies are bad.

    Clearly, sports enhancement is not nearly as dangerous as smoking, being inactive, or being obese, but he we have irrational penalties for the fittest of the fit, and the least dangerous drugs of the drugs. Without question, over the counter drugs are far more dangerous than most sports enhancing chemicals.

    The life extending and quality of life enhancements of many of the chemicals used in sports is well known by many a layman and scientist. There is no solid evidence against most hormones. In fact, arguments are strong for the disease prevention and quality of life enhancements they provide, and HRT is a major booming business because it prevents disease instead of treats it, along with allowing a higher standard of performance well into middle age.

    The movie "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", HBO'S Real Sports episode 99, John Stroussel's 20/20 report just a couple of week's ago a speak the truth on this matter.

    3114 folks died from all illicit drug use combined, while nearly 2 MILLION die annually from obesity.

    Here in Texas, 12 MILLION was spent over 2 years to test 150,000 high school athletes where there only 12 positive tests of 300,000. That's very expensive, and that's money that could likely have been used for much better causes, like...the prevention of obesity.

    The lessons of prohibition have not been learned apparently. Athletes want to compete their way, in their sport / sub culture. Folks don't go to "tested" shows / meets because they don't want to see tiny, weak, folks, nor do the guys want to train that way. The guys want to feel good and train at a high level of performance.

    It is what it is.

    Those folks that don't want to get tested, just walk away from the tested event. That's why you don't see many tested events because it's not what the athletes are really interested in.

    Interestingly, the GAO has studied the typical athlete using enhancement...they're winner's across the board in ever respect. They make more money; are higher educated; live longer; are better informed. The GAO says it's a problem to educate intelligent people, basically.

    You have to giggle if so much money and lives weren't being wasted in the witch hunt.

    Studies such as UNT's 1999 study of high level amateur and pro bodybuilders show that the guys have better mortality rates (they live longer, and enjoy a much higher quality of life, with less illness) than their sedentary counter parts.

    There are no bodies.

    Ironically, women have enjoyed the benefits of estrogen for years, but, a misinformation campaign, based on falsehoods, has tainted testosterone.

    All that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.
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    May 19, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAll that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.


    Only when closely monitored. People become obsessed with the stuff, often developing some level of body dysmorphic disorder. In turn, this leads to over- doping and the onset of serious health problems. Even if we're talking ... oh, let's say 2 percent of the steroid-taking population (it's actually much higher than that), that's 2 percent too many. It's really that simple.
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    May 19, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    So let them take steroids. Who cares if it kills them or what harm it does? It's their lives after all. No one's business
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    chuckystud saidWe have interesting notions of how to apply technology to sports.

    It seems to be o.k. to remove facial expression with botox, or have implants for pecs, tits, calves, etc. It seems to be o.k. to take stimulants, to some degree. It seems to be o.k. to have various surgeries, such as LASIK. It seems to be o.k. to manipulate diet, and do testing, and use technology in equipment, but, for whatever reasons the folks who aren't very good in sport seem to think that some technologies are bad.

    Clearly, sports enhancement is not nearly as dangerous as smoking, being inactive, or being obese, but he we have irrational penalties for the fittest of the fit, and the least dangerous drugs of the drugs. Without question, over the counter drugs are far more dangerous than most sports enhancing chemicals.

    The life extending and quality of life enhancements of many of the chemicals used in sports is well known by many a layman and scientist. There is no solid evidence against most hormones. In fact, arguments are strong for the disease prevention and quality of life enhancements they provide, and HRT is a major booming business because it prevents disease instead of treats it, along with allowing a higher standard of performance well into middle age.

    The movie "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", HBO'S Real Sports episode 99, John Stroussel's 20/20 report just a couple of week's ago a speak the truth on this matter.

    3114 folks died from all illicit drug use combined, while nearly 2 MILLION die annually from obesity.

    Here in Texas, 12 MILLION was spent over 2 years to test 150,000 high school athletes where there only 12 positive tests of 300,000. That's very expensive, and that's money that could likely have been used for much better causes, like...the prevention of obesity.

    The lessons of prohibition have not been learned apparently. Athletes want to compete their way, in their sport / sub culture. Folks don't go to "tested" shows / meets because they don't want to see tiny, weak, folks, nor do the guys want to train that way. The guys want to feel good and train at a high level of performance.

    It is what it is.

    Those folks that don't want to get tested, just walk away from the tested event. That's why you don't see many tested events because it's not what the athletes are really interested in.

    Interestingly, the GAO has studied the typical athlete using enhancement...they're winner's across the board in ever respect. They make more money; are higher educated; live longer; are better informed. The GAO says it's a problem to educate intelligent people, basically.

    You have to giggle if so much money and lives weren't being wasted in the witch hunt.

    Studies such as UNT's 1999 study of high level amateur and pro bodybuilders show that the guys have better mortality rates (they live longer, and enjoy a much higher quality of life, with less illness) than their sedentary counter parts.

    There are no bodies.

    Ironically, women have enjoyed the benefits of estrogen for years, but, a misinformation campaign, based on falsehoods, has tainted testosterone.

    All that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.


    You have a pretty convoluded way of justifying your shit dude.
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    May 19, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
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    chuckystud saidAll that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.


    Only when closely monitored. People become obsessed with the stuff, often developing some level of body dysmorphic disorder. In turn, this leads to over- doping and the onset of serious health problems. Even if we're talking ... oh, let's say 2 percent of the steroid-taking population (it's actually much higher than that), that's 2 percent too many. It's really that simple.


    Chucky will probably say it's impossible to over do it. While I might disagree on that one point, I think it's still nobody's business but their own. It's their bodies, they have right to modify them however they see fit. If they die in the process, that's still their business.
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    May 19, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
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    Tapper said
    chuckystud saidAll that being said, testosterone and GH therapy, is growing in leaps and bounds and is extending, and enhancing, the lives of many folks.


    Only when closely monitored. People become obsessed with the stuff, often developing some level of body dysmorphic disorder. In turn, this leads to over- doping and the onset of serious health problems. Even if we're talking ... oh, let's say 2 percent of the steroid-taking population (it's actually much higher than that), that's 2 percent too many. It's really that simple.


    Chucky will probably say it's impossible to over do it. While I might disagree on that one point, I think it's still nobody's business but their own. It's their bodies, they have right to modify them however they see fit. If they die in the process, that's still their business.


    Agreed- and what I said earlier. Who F****# cares what these freaks put in their bodies! It's their business.
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    May 19, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidChucky will probably say it's impossible to over do it. While I might disagree on that one point, I think it's still nobody's business but their own. It's their bodies, they have right to modify them however they see fit. If they die in the process, that's still their business.


    I've never heard anyone in the healthcare field tell me it's impossible to over do it. Beyond that, I agree 100%, as long as they don't hurt anyone in the process, but that's a theoretical approach that can't easily be sold. Could you imagine the pressure that legalized steroid use would have on our healthcare system? There are too many people - especially young men - out there who would jump at the chance to take steroids, abuse the drugs, and end up taxing our already over-burdened system. No thanks.
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    May 19, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    I agree with Chucky 100%


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    May 20, 2009 12:13 AM GMT
    agreed with chucky....
    there are difference between being labeled as a 'natural' event.
    anyone would be an idiot to not assume it would take steroids to get that big even with the best natural genetics possible.
    i mean come on... thats just what this sport is. stop crying its a battle the media just won't win
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    May 21, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    It sounds a bit strange to me. If there is testing, it is usually told to contestants ahead of time. The testing body is normally a part of the sport or at least the local sports governing jurisdiction. Maybe it is different there. It is not a state or federal body that tests. The DEA does not raid Mr. Olympia in Vegas and start testing guys. They might raid for drugs but they do not raid and test guys.

    If the guys thought that there was not going to be testing, that sucks.

    Does anyone, anywhere, think that a competitive level bodybuilder does not use HGH, steriods, ect.? Without drugs, most bodybuilders would look like me. Really? Has anyone looked at a Muscle and Fitness lately? You could not win a Mr. Seattle Jr. High contest without drugs. The sport would not exist without drugs. It is all about drugs. Is that a suprise to anyone?

    This coming from a longtime fan. But no longer. Show me a built UFC fighter, and I will take that look over any of the pump and posers.